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Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

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  • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

    Originally posted by cdash View Post
    I don't know, I would assume so but I really have no idea.

    What's wrong with Chris Johnson, besides his ypc being down? The Titans are decent and Locker was playing really well before he got hurt last week.
    Cdash he is just throwing out crap and seeing if it sticks on that blog.

    You can't find guys that do all three things well (run, pass block and catch) and just plug anyone one in.

    Its also improtant to know that if a guy has limitiations such as Turner that he can't catch the defense won't fear the screen or see him as a threat in the passing game so they cheat off of him in those plays.

    I have no doubt Trent is not a home run threat but really what we need is a guy who can be somewhat like Marshawn Lynch. Run throw arm tackles and wear the defense down.

    The point I made with MJD and CJ was that they are average right now becuase they don't have the holes to run through.

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    • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

      Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
      Cdash he is just throwing out crap and seeing if it sticks on that blog.

      You can't find guys that do all three things well (run, pass block and catch) and just plug anyone one in.

      Its also improtant to know that if a guy has limitiations such as Turner that he can't catch the defense won't fear the screen or see him as a threat in the passing game so they cheat off of him in those plays.

      I have no doubt Trent is not a home run threat but really what we need is a guy who can be somewhat like Marshawn Lynch. Run throw arm tackles and wear the defense down.

      The point I made with MJD and CJ was that they are average right now becuase they don't have the holes to run through.
      Gamble, he's a professional writer for one of the top sports news outlets in the country. You don't like his opinion on this particular subject, but let's not try to discredit the entire piece because you didn't like some of the points he made.

      He was talking about production, and left the blocking and pass catching out of it from what I understand. Even then, is Richardson really that great at any of the three things you mentioned? So far in the NFL, he hasn't been. It doesn't mean he won't be, but there is plenty of reason to be skeptical at this point 20 games into his career.

      MJD and CJ are average right now because they are past their primes. MJD's situation in Jacksonville is particularly pathetic. That team is a dumpster fire. The point I am making is that great running backs--elite runnings backs--find holes or bounce to the outside or make something out of virtually nothing. Otherwise all the good/great running backs in the league would just be on teams with the best offensive lines. It certainly helps, but it isn't the start and end of the discussion by any means.

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      • Originally posted by cdash View Post
        Gamble, he's a professional writer for one of the top sports news outlets in the country. You don't like his opinion on this particular subject, but let's not try to discredit the entire piece because you didn't like some of the points he made.

        He was talking about production, and left the blocking and pass catching out of it from what I understand. Even then, is Richardson really that great at any of the three things you mentioned? So far in the NFL, he hasn't been. It doesn't mean he won't be, but there is plenty of reason to be skeptical at this point 20 games into his career.

        MJD and CJ are average right now because they are past their primes. MJD's situation in Jacksonville is particularly pathetic. That team is a dumpster fire. The point I am making is that great running backs--elite runnings backs--find holes or bounce to the outside or make something out of virtually nothing. Otherwise all the good/great running backs in the league would just be on teams with the best offensive lines. It certainly helps, but it isn't the start and end of the discussion by any means.
        I disagree on MJD, he still has the step but that offensive line is terrible and getting worse mind you with Monroe being traded. CJ2K is a spread running back in a power running scheme. He is a bush type guy, get the ball in space but Tennessee is T-ing it up and running when given opportunities.

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        • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

          Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
          I disagree on MJD, he still has the step but that offensive line is terrible and getting worse mind you with Monroe being traded. CJ2K is a spread running back in a power running scheme. He is a bush type guy, get the ball in space but Tennessee is T-ing it up and running when given opportunities.
          Maybe. It's really hard to tell. The guy has a ton of miles on him, but the team around him is so spectacularly awful that it's hard to really judge him.

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          • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Gamble, he's a professional writer for one of the top sports news outlets in the country. You don't like his opinion on this particular subject, but let's not try to discredit the entire piece because you didn't like some of the points he made.

            He was talking about production, and left the blocking and pass catching out of it from what I understand. Even then, is Richardson really that great at any of the three things you mentioned? So far in the NFL, he hasn't been. It doesn't mean he won't be, but there is plenty of reason to be skeptical at this point 20 games into his career.

            MJD and CJ are average right now because they are past their primes. MJD's situation in Jacksonville is particularly pathetic. That team is a dumpster fire. The point I am making is that great running backs--elite runnings backs--find holes or bounce to the outside or make something out of virtually nothing. Otherwise all the good/great running backs in the league would just be on teams with the best offensive lines. It certainly helps, but it isn't the start and end of the discussion by any means.
            Its already been talked about but I can once again state the points if you like.

            He is an above average pass catcher and an above average pass blocker. For pass catching you can look at Ray Rice arguably one of the best and he averages 7.8 yards per catch. Trent had 7.2 yards per catch. He had 5 drops last year that were catchable balls out of 70 targets . To put that into perspective Vick Ballard had 4 drops on 27 targets.

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            • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

              Originally posted by cdash View Post
              Maybe. It's really hard to tell. The guy has a ton of miles on him, but the team around him is so spectacularly awful that it's hard to really judge him.
              Hopefully he gets traded. I really do kind of bad for the guy suffering through that. He's 28, he doesn't have many lead back years left in this NFL. That's a LONG rebuild down there, there really isn't a reason to not move him.

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              • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                Its already been talked about but I can once again state the points if you like.
                I'm not writing a thesis paper on the posts in this thread. I'm not going to go back and reread everything that has been posted. Most of it has been opinion anyway, so I'm not going to take it as fact even if I do see it unless it's supported by numbers. The rest of your post, thank you. That's all you needed to say. I hadn't seen that information yet, and I found it informative.

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                • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                  Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                  I'm just going by what I see. I know the team rushing stats are impressive... I know our line stats are impressive.... but when I'm watching the game, he gets the ball, and he's either hit within 1 sec, or he runs into his lane which is just.... gone. About the only thing I could think of for him is to break protocol and start bouncing it outside or something. But I'd bet that he's following the script, setting up the play action, doing his job.
                  Just saw this stat on Trent 46 of his 60 yards were after contact which kind of goes to your point that there wasn't many holes to be found in the Jags game.

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                  • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                    Its already been talked about but I can once again state the points if you like.

                    He is an above average pass catcher and an above average pass blocker. For pass catching you can look at Ray Rice arguably one of the best and he averages 7.8 yards per catch. Trent had 7.2 yards per catch. He had 5 drops last year that were catchable balls out of 70 targets . To put that into perspective Vick Ballard had 4 drops on 27 targets.
                    So T Rich is Joseph Addai 2.0??
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                      So T Rich is Joseph Addai 2.0??
                      I don't look at him as Addai 2.0.

                      The things that were similar were what I stated but their running styles are different to me. One is more of a bruising type of back and the other would rather try to make you miss than take the contact and push a pile. For all of Addai's faults the biggest one was that he couldn't take a lot of carriers and stay healthy and thats with a running style that wasn't smash mouth at all. I look at Trent as able to handle a large workload and still be realitively healthy. I know he had broken ribs last year but I don't see that be a common injury with him. Stuff like turf toe and chronic knee problems would concern me and that largely why Lacy fell in the draft (a fused toe). Trent had two minor scopes on his knee to remove debri but thats all which isn't something that I see limiting him unless there is an underlining issue which should have been discovered in the physical if there was one.

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                      • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        So T Rich is Joseph Addai 2.0??
                        Ewww, I wouldn't go there. Addai was a decent pass blocker... decent pass catcher. Couldn't get tough yards for his life, or break a tackle. Was anemic at the goal line. Would take him 2-3 attempts to break the plane and was usually a reach. He danced around behind the line and spent more time running east/west. Addai was not a back that opponents game-planned for --- they game-planned for Manning and thus holes were opened up for Addai.

                        TRich does a lot of things right. He stays patient, he mostly runs north/south, he's a good pass blocker, good pass catcher, good after the initial contact, breaks tackles, runs between the tackles, gets those tough yards. He's also well-built and balanced, and makes good open-field moves. The ONLY thing he doesn't have in his repertoire is break-away speed like DBrown. But that's okay. And at the goal line, he's awesome... it's a touchdown on the first run almost every time. I've yet to see him get stuffed. I think people aren't looking for the right things, and instead only looking at the stat sheet, which doesn't tell the whole story. What I'm seeing from him in-game is positive, we just need to get the run blocking going so everyone can see what he can actually do. Also, it's only been a week and a half; he's not fully integrated into the offense yet, which is plainly obvious in the passing game. In his first two games, it feels like we've only used about 35% of his abilities, and I think as games go by, we'll see more and more of what he can do. And let's be honest --- he faced San Fran's d-line (top 5 in the league), on the road, 2 days after he arrived on the team. That's a tall order. And people are wondering why he was at 3 yards per rush.
                        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-02-2013, 09:10 PM.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                          Ewww, I wouldn't go there. Addai was a decent pass blocker... decent pass catcher. Couldn't get tough yards for his life, or break a tackle. Was anemic at the goal line. Would take him 2-3 attempts to break the plane and was usually a reach. He danced around behind the line and spent more time running east/west. Addai was not a back that opponents game-planned for --- they game-planned for Manning and thus holes were opened up for Addai.

                          TRich does a lot of things right. He stays patient, he mostly runs north/south, he's a good pass blocker, good pass catcher, good after the initial contact, breaks tackles, runs between the tackles, gets those tough yards. He's also well-built and balanced, and makes good open-field moves. The ONLY thing he doesn't have in his repertoire is break-away speed like DBrown. But that's okay. And at the goal line, he's awesome... it's a touchdown on the first run almost every time. I've yet to see him get stuffed. I think people aren't looking for the right things, and instead only looking at the stat sheet, which doesn't tell the whole story. What I'm seeing from him in-game is positive, we just need to get the run blocking going so everyone can see what he can actually do. Also, it's only been a week and a half; he's not fully integrated into the offense yet, which is plainly obvious in the passing game. In his first two games, it feels like we've only used about 35% of his abilities, and I think as games go by, we'll see more and more of what he can do. And let's be honest --- he faced San Fran's d-line (top 5 in the league), on the road, 2 days after he arrived on the team. That's a tall order. And people are wondering why he was at 3 yards per rush.
                          Bolded: Eventually, that's how we think/hope/expect opponents to treat Luck.

                          The rest of your post: I'll say it again: I live in the Cleveland media market and watched all but maybe one or two of the Browns games last year (17-14; 12-7; 20-9! Browns football, people!) and he looks the same on the Colts as he did with the Browns. I'm tired of this discussion so I'll just say this: I think Richardson can (and will) improve. I would really like to see him show at least some big play ability and I think he will be a net positive for the team going forward. I'm certainly rooting like hell that he does, given the price he came at.

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                          • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                            I don't think Trent is a big play guy personally. I think he is a frank Gore or Lynch type of running back. Hard nosed and wear you down type of running back that can't be quantified as a big play guy. He will change games in the fourth quarter by playing a style of football in the first quarter that most teams don't want to mess with. That is what Grigson saw in him and that is what pep needs in his offense.
                            Last edited by Gamble1; 10-02-2013, 11:56 PM.

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                            • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              I don't think Trent is a big play guy personally. I think he is a frank Gore or Lynch type of running back. Hard nosed and wear you down type of running back that can't be quantified as a big play guy. He will change games in the fourth quarter by playing a style of football in the first quarter that most teams don't want to mess with. That is what Grigson saw in him and that is what pep needs in his offense.
                              I'm not saying I expect him to start peppering in 80 yard runs a la Adrian Peterson, but even Frank Gore and Marshawn Lynch bust 40+ yard runs on occasion. In general though, I agree that Richardson isn't one of those Chris Johnson, Darren Sproles, CJ Spiller types where you expect them to make big plays happen when they get the ball.

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                              • Re: Trent Richardson to Colts for 1st round pick

                                So does his draft selection do him no favours and in some way will always haunt him? I mean, had he been selected lower, there would have been more appreciation for him for what he offers?
                                Never forget

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