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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Ending Rosters for 12-13

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  • Ending Rosters for 12-13

    Amsterdam
    Raymond Felton
    Derrick Rose
    CJ Watson
    Jason Terry
    Luke Ridenour
    Rajon Rondo
    Kosta Koufos
    Kyle O’Qinn
    Charlie Villanueva
    Derrick Favors
    David Lee
    LeBron James

    Baltimore
    Omer Asik
    Andre Drummond
    Tyrus Thomas
    Kyrie Irving
    Ty Lawson
    Greivis Vasquez
    Austin Rivers
    Taj Gibson
    Kawhi Leonard
    Jan Vesley
    Thomas Robinson
    Terrence Jones

    Bankock
    Jonas Valanciunas
    Pau Gasol
    Chris Kaman
    Brandan Wright
    Andrei Kirilinko
    Artnett Moultrie
    Wilson Chandler
    James Harden
    Deron Williams
    Andre Miller
    Jeremy Lamb
    Shaun Livingston

    Bland
    Brook Lopez
    Meyers Leonard
    Serge Ibaka
    Jason Smith
    Gustavo Ayon
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Bernard James
    Evan Turner
    Chris Paul
    Dominique Jones
    Mo Williams
    Alexey Shved

    Casa de Verde
    Kevin Durrant
    Marcus Morris
    Markieff Morris
    Harrison Barnes
    Tyson Chandler
    Ian Mahinmi
    OJ Mayo
    JJ Redick
    Jamal Crawford
    Arron Afflalo
    Jordan Hill
    Gerald Green

    Cedar City
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Elton Brand
    Carmelo Anthony
    Stephen Curry
    Paul Pierce
    Andre Iguodala
    DeJaun Blair
    Kendrick Perkins
    Brandon Knight
    Antawn Jamison
    Gerald Wallace
    Joe Johnson

    Emerald City
    Kevin Love
    Chris Bosh
    Derrick Williams
    Ricky Rubio
    Kemba Walker
    Byron Mullens
    Gordon Hayward
    Michael Beasley
    Gerald Henderson
    Jerryd Bayless
    Bismack Biyombo
    Andrea Bargnani

    Fishers
    Nene Hilario
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Lavoy Allen
    Patrick Patterson
    Jason Thompson
    Klay Thompson
    Eric Gordon
    Beno Udrih
    Jrue Holiday
    Chase Budinger
    Marshon Brooks
    DeMar DeRozan

    Gnaw Bone
    DeAndre Jordon
    Tyler Zeller
    Paul Millsap
    Joakim Noah
    Amare Stoudemire
    Jared Sullinger
    Draymond Green
    Kyle Lowry
    John Wall
    Patrick Beverly
    Reggie Jackson
    Iman Shumpert

    Gran Pulse
    Dwyane Wade
    Jason Kidd
    Darren Collison
    Jimmer Fredette
    Leonardo Barbosa
    Zach Randolph
    Anthony Davis
    Carl Landry
    Tayshaun Prince
    Al Faroug Aminu
    Moe Harkness
    Andrew Nicholson

    Harlem
    Manu Ginobili
    Brandon Jennings
    Jose Calderon
    Jameer Nelson
    Larry Sanders
    Al Horford
    Ersan Ilyasova
    Tristian Thompson
    Shawn Marion
    Vince Carter
    Nick Collison
    Andrew Bynum

    Heywood Workman
    Carlos Boozer
    Rudy Gay
    Chandler Parsons
    Luis Scola
    Metta World Peace
    Wes Matthews
    Matt Barnes
    Kyle Kover
    Alonzo Gee
    Rodney Stuckey
    Dante Cunningham
    Chris Johnson

    Indiana
    David West
    Monta Ellis
    Roy Hibbert
    Mike Conley
    Paul George
    Emeka Okafor
    Michael Kidd Gilchrist
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Lance Stephenson
    Jae Crowder
    Ekpe Udoh
    Kevin Martin

    Indy
    Blake Griffin
    Spencer Hawes
    JaVale McGee
    Tiago Splitter
    Ryan Anderson
    Tony Parker
    Jose Barea
    Danny Green
    Kris Humphries
    Mike Dunleavy
    Enes Kanter
    Tyreke Evans

    Little Fort
    Tim Duncan
    Anderson Varejao
    Andray Blatche
    Glen Davis
    Lamar Odom
    Jason Maxiell
    Goran Dragic
    JR Smith
    Will Bynum
    Jordon Crawford
    Isaiah Thomas
    CJ Miles

    Nash City
    Marc Gasol
    Al Jefferson
    Marcin Gortat
    Kevin Garnett
    Marreese Speights
    Kevin Seraphin
    Nate Robinson
    Luol Deng
    Carlos Delfino
    Jared Dudley
    Mario Chalmers
    Danny Granger

    Redbull
    Russell Westbrook
    Kobe Bryant
    Corey Brewer
    Andrew Bogut
    Nikola Vucevic
    Greg Smith
    Dwight Howard
    Al Harrington
    Earl Clark
    Ish Smith
    Jeff Green
    Terrence Ross

    Shakuras
    Damian Lillard
    Jeremy Lin
    Josh Smith
    Greg Monroe
    JJ Hickson
    Jimmy Butler
    Lou Williams
    Perry Jones
    Zaza Pachulia
    Steve Nash
    Kenneth Faried
    Nicolas Batum

    Tempe
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Robin Lopez
    John Henson
    Thaddeus Young
    Reggie Evans
    Eric Bledsoe
    Ramon Sessions
    Jarrett Jack
    Jeff Teague
    Bradley Beal
    Timofey Mozgov
    Trevor Booker

    Young Turks
    Samuel Dalembert
    Nikola Pekovic
    Jermaine O’Neal
    Amir Johnson
    Danilo Gallinari
    Trevor Ariza
    George Hill
    Ben Gordon
    Ray Allen
    Pablo Prigioni
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Dion Waiters

  • #2
    Re: Ending Rosters for 12-13

    I'll match up owners with their teams when I get a chance.

    I also need to note name changes too.

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    • #3
      Re: Ending Rosters for 12-13

      I have to admit to being quite out of the loop of fantasy bball this summer. I can't remember some of the trades I made last season. Can I get some help with that from anyone, please?
      2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

      2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

      2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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      • #4
        Re: Ending Rosters for 12-13

        check out the 2nd post in the 2013-2014 draft order thread

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        • #5
          Re: Ending Rosters for 12-13

          Teams in bold have posted their protected list

          Amsterdam - Mourning
          Raymond Felton
          Derrick Rose
          Rajon Rondo
          Kosta Koufos
          Kris Humphries
          Charlie Villanueva
          Derrick Favors
          David Lee
          LeBron James

          Dropped

          Kyle O’Qinn
          Jason Terry
          Luke Ridenour
          CJ Watson


          Bankock - Jose Slaughter
          Jonas Valanciunas
          Pau Gasol
          Chris Kaman
          Brandan Wright
          Andrei Kirilinko
          Artnett Moultrie
          Wilson Chandler
          James Harden
          Deron Williams
          Andre Miller
          Jeremy Lamb

          Dropped

          Shaun Livingston


          Bland - Avoidingtheclowns
          Brook Lopez
          Meyers Leonard
          Serge Ibaka
          Jason Smith
          Gustavo Ayon
          Donatas Motiejunas
          Evan Turner
          Chris Paul
          Mo Williams

          Dropped

          Dominique Jones
          Bernard James
          Alexey Shved


          Cedar City - Dr. Badd
          Dirk Nowitzki
          Elton Brand
          Carmelo Anthony
          Stephen Curry
          Paul Pierce
          Andre Iguodala
          Brandon Knight
          Gerald Wallace
          Joe Johnson

          Dropped

          DeJaun Blair
          Kendrick Perkins
          Antawn Jamison


          Emerald City - Zallen541
          Kevin Love
          Chris Bosh
          Derrick Williams
          Ricky Rubio
          Kemba Walker
          Gordon Hayward
          Michael Beasley
          Gerald Henderson
          Andrea Bargnani

          Dropped

          Jerryd Bayless
          Byron Mullens
          Bismack Biyombo


          Indiana - Burnzone
          David West
          Monta Ellis
          Roy Hibbert
          Mike Conley
          Paul George
          Emeka Okafor
          Michael Kidd Gilchrist
          Tyler Hansbrough
          Lance Stephenson
          Kevin Martin

          Dropped

          Jae Crowder
          Ekpe Udoh


          Indy - Speed
          Blake Griffin
          Spencer Hawes
          JaVale McGee
          Tiago Splitter
          Ryan Anderson
          Tony Parker
          Jose Barea
          Enes Kanter
          Tyreke Evans

          Dropped

          Danny Green
          Mike Dunleavy


          Little Fort - Canuckleheads
          Tim Duncan
          Anderson Varejao
          Andray Blatche
          Glen Davis
          Goran Dragic
          JR Smith
          Will Bynum
          Jordon Crawford
          Isaiah Thomas

          Dropped

          Lamar Odom
          Jason Maxiell
          CJ Miles


          Shakuras - Frostwolf
          Damian Lillard
          Jeremy Lin
          Josh Smith
          Greg Monroe
          JJ Hickson
          Lou Williams
          Nicolas Batum
          Steve Nash
          Kenneth Faried

          Dropped

          Jimmy Butler
          Perry Jones
          Zaza Pachulia


          Tempe - LoneGranger33
          DeMarcus Cousins
          Robin Lopez
          John Henson
          Thaddeus Young
          Eric Bledsoe
          Ramon Sessions
          Jarrett Jack
          Jeff Teague
          Bradley Beal

          Dropped

          Reggie Evans
          Timofey Mozgov
          Trevor Booker


          Young Turks - Bellisimo
          Samuel Dalembert
          Nikola Pekovic
          Jermaine O’Neal
          Amir Johnson
          Danilo Gallinari
          Trevor Ariza
          George Hill
          Ben Gordon
          Dion Waiters

          Dropped

          Ray Allen
          Pablo Prigioni
          Jamaal Tinsley


          Nash City - Pig Nash
          Marc Gasol
          Al Jefferson
          Marcin Gortat
          Kevin Garnett
          Marreese Speights
          Kevin Seraphin
          Nate Robinson
          Luol Deng
          Carlos Delfino
          Jared Dudley
          Mario Chalmers
          Danny Granger

          Fishers - Randy Wrinkles
          Nene Hilario
          LaMarcus Aldridge
          Lavoy Allen
          Patrick Patterson
          Jason Thompson
          Klay Thompson
          Eric Gordon
          Beno Udrih
          Jrue Holiday
          Chase Budinger
          Marshon Brooks
          DeMar DeRozan

          Gnaw Bone - Slick Pinkham
          DeAndre Jordon
          Tyler Zeller
          Paul Millsap
          Joakim Noah
          Amare Stoudemire
          Jared Sullinger
          Draymond Green
          Kyle Lowry
          John Wall
          Patrick Beverly
          Reggie Jackson
          Iman Shumpert

          Newies - Roaming Gnome
          Dwyane Wade
          Jason Kidd
          Darren Collison
          Jimmer Fredette
          Leonardo Barbosa
          Zach Randolph
          Anthony Davis
          Carl Landry
          Tayshaun Prince
          Al Faroug Aminu
          Moe Harkness
          Andrew Nicholson

          Charming SAMCRO - dlanderson22
          Carlos Boozer
          Rudy Gay
          Chandler Parsons
          Luis Scola
          Metta World Peace
          Wes Matthews
          Matt Barnes
          Kyle Kover
          Alonzo Gee
          Rodney Stuckey
          Dante Cunningham
          Chris Johnson

          Cascadia Wolves - Nuntius
          Omer Asik
          Andre Drummond
          Tyrus Thomas
          Kyrie Irving
          Ty Lawson
          Greivis Vasquez
          Austin Rivers
          Taj Gibson
          Kawhi Leonard
          Jan Vesley
          Thomas Robinson
          Terrence Jones

          Rat Trap Soul Crusaders - Magic Rat
          Manu Ginobili
          Brandon Jennings
          Jose Calderon
          Jameer Nelson
          Larry Sanders
          Al Horford
          Ersan Ilyasova
          Tristian Thompson
          Shawn Marion
          Vince Carter
          Nick Collison
          Andrew Bynum

          Rohan Rohirrim - TMJ31
          Russell Westbrook
          Kobe Bryant
          Corey Brewer
          Andrew Bogut
          Nikola Vucevic
          Greg Smith
          Dwight Howard
          Al Harrington
          Earl Clark
          Ish Smith
          Jeff Green
          Terrence Ross

          Casa de Verde - Diamond Dave00
          Kevin Durrant
          Marcus Morris
          Markieff Morris
          Harrison Barnes
          Tyson Chandler
          Ian Mahinmi
          OJ Mayo
          JJ Redick
          Jamal Crawford
          Arron Afflalo
          Jordan Hill
          Gerald Green
          Last edited by Jose Slaughter; 09-25-2013, 10:26 PM.

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