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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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For the Love of the Game, updated version

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  • For the Love of the Game, updated version

    The nights are getting cooler, the days shorter, and soon the leaves will begin to turn. Kids are back in school, Labor Day has passed us by, and the long hot summer is soon to be just a memory. This time of year is seen as sad by some, but to me it just means that basketball season is nearing us again, and once again my anticipation is beginning to build.
    For the Love of the Game
    Basketball is so many things to each of us. Obviously, everyone who plays this game on a regular basis at their core does so because they love the game so much, and this is an effort to communicate that to complete strangers and friends alike. When you think about it, what other game can unite so many, and touch the lives of all the people who have the love of the game so deep within them. From reading all the posts from all of you scattered all over the world since I've joined this board, I see the passion and spirit that we all have for not just our favorite teams, but for the game itself. I guess I’m in a sappy mood, but I thought it might be nice to hear from some of you about why you all were brought to the game, and what is so special about it that so many of us spend so much time thinking about it and making it such a part of our lives.

    To me, basketball is a passion from deep inside me. It comes from being a son, a player, a native Hoosier, a teammate, a friend, a fan, an observer, a coach, a counselor, and a writer. For me, it started from traveling on the road to high school games far away just to see a great game. It came from hearing stories from older family members about how they played and how they loved the game. It came from seeing how relationships were made over the course of a season, it came from the bond that only teammates can share, and the lovely experience of people bonding together to pursue one common goal. It comes from the knowledge that together, ordinary people can achieve extraordinary things. Basketball to me means family, and community, and togetherness, and loyalty, and the pursuit of a common goal with people you grow to care about....

    I love basketball. I love the squeaky sounds of tennis shoes against a newly waxed hardwood floor. I love the silence and echoes of walking in to an empty gym. I love the sunlight coming thru the windows of some older cathedrals of basketball, glistening against the fresh paint of a newly painted floor. With that new paint comes new hope.

    I love the rhythm of a basketball bouncing, and I love the sound of a perfect shot rippling thru the net. I love the roar of a sellout crowd at a crucial moment. I love the music, I love the bands, I love the spirit and electricity that fills an arena before a huge game. I love it when the bleachers are cramped, and it’s too hot, and you see the others there, just like you, passionately sick with the same love of the game so many of us inherited. I love the smell of the popcorn, the smell of the fear and excitement of the anticipation of 2 teams getting ready to explode with every bit of energy and passion they can muster, all to obtain just one shining moment for their town, their school, their franchise, and themselves.

    I love the sound of a coaches’ whistle on a fall day, and the sound of a referees whistle on a winter night. I love the sounds of a crowd yelling at an official, the sound of a pep band playing during a time out, the sound of an organ playing during a crucial run. I love a one on one move, a 2 man screen/roll, a 3on2 fast break, and a crisp 5 man offensive set play. I love the individual battles within the game....a guard dribbling up against pressure, a player going up strong over a defender trying to block his shot, a rebounder trying to block out a bigger and stronger man.

    I love the strategy of a game. I love the debates and the discussions it creates, and the controversies. I love the competition and heated hated rivals. Is there anything better than beating a team you hate, especially if you weren’t expected to? I love home games and road games, night games and afternoon games. I love the coaches and their personalities, I love the hype of the media, I love the anticipation and buildup of a big game. I love scouting a team or a player on a dark cold night in some lonely town, just in case 3 months from now you may play them. >



    I love the palpable united feeling it creates among people and cities. I love walking downtown and seeing flags flying high with team colors, seeing store windows painted, seeing old friends coming back for games from years ago. I love seeing a big city with hugely different parts get united behind one common theme and goal....I love seeing complete strangers with vastly different backgrounds sitting in a bar discussing the latest game or move their team made. I love the feeling of hope and uplifted spirits that a winning team can provide.......there can never be a price tag placed on that type value of watching how people just WALK differently when their team is winning, or how the air seems cleaner or the sun seems brighter.

    Basketball is a rural game. It’s a lonely country kid shooting baskets as the sun goes down on a dirt spot, making shot after shot after shot....playing out the scene in his mind on what he hopes to do years from that moment. It is families gathering around from all over to watch their relatives play, and reliving their own moments from another era, and wishing they could go back. It’s a game where this poor rural kid can escape his poverty, and love in a world of his own where the only things that exist are him and the goal.

    Basketball is a suburban game. Its neighborhood kids meeting in someone's driveway to pick teams and play all day. It's new shoes, and summer camps, and playing horse with your friends. It's beating your Dad for the first time in one on one, and not knowing for sure whether he let you or not. It can be how identities are born, and friends are made, and disputes are settled. It’s a way to learn about others, and to learn about yourself.....just how hard will you work to get better? How much can you push yourself? How much does it matter to you to be the very best you can be? It’s a game that can unite a neighborhood, frame a childhood, and can be played simply in any schoolyard or driveway.

    Basketball is a city game. It's played in the roughest of neighborhoods, it’s played in the streets, it’s played for pride and for honor. It’s played passionately and for a purpose, and can be a source of pride and honor. It's played everywhere, in every city, every neighborhood, every country.

    Basketball is the ultimate team game......a team must function as a single unit, like a symphony orchestra with each musician given a specific chorus to play to make the overall opera sound exquisite. Often it fails, but when a team meets this goal it plays the ultimate songs...the songs and sounds of winning. Everyone must be able to do everything in basketball....no pinch hitters or relief pitchers, no offense and defense subs, no goalies, no anything.

    Basketball is for the rich and poor, black and white, boys and girls, and young and old. It discriminates against no one.....everyone with enough passion can find their way into it. It's truly the best sport ever invented by man, just like "Shooter" said in "Hoosiers". Basketball means second chances for long past glory, it means the underdog always has a chance, it means that no one has ever lost, but they just run out of time.

    It's overcoming adversity, it’s always believing in the fundamentals, it's playing hard even though you are outsized, it's doing things the right way because that's the way you are supposed to love your life. It's never giving up until the horn blows, it’s always having hope while the ball is in the air......basketball is numbers and stats and wins and losses and ultimate joy and terrible sorrow...........................and it’s the rebirth of everything each fall to start it all over again, where everyone is undefeated and your past is wiped away. It’s fair and unfair, cruel and kind, simple and complicated, fascinating and numbingly repetitive.

    Basketball is quiet times in solitude and self- reflection. It is exciting pep talks and speeches, and rowdy chanting fans. It’s working to get better by yourself at 6:30 in the morning, and eating pizza with your teammates at 12:30 in the morning. It’s a maddening set of contradictions and questions and planning and work that for every team but one ends each season with crushing disappointment.......yet every time that happens I, like all others, find myself missing the game again, and longing for October's chilling winds and browning falling leaves to be here again.

    November is yet to come again, but it’s close.....the cool breeze coming thru my window tells me so, and the sounds of an echoing pickup game from down the road are ringing in my ears.....basketball is almost here again, and we can soon start this up once more, where the feelings within myself are like Pat Riley says...."There are but 2 things, winning and misery."

    My love for basketball I know I inherited from my Dad, and my hometown, and my relationships with all the people whom have entered my life that love the game as I do....and as aggravated as I get with the teams I pledged my allegiance to, I can't wait for them to come back and gear up to let me try again.

    I ask all of you the following: What do you love about the game of basketball, and what made you that way? And have you thought about the people in your life who brought you into the game, and who put the love of the game into you? Tell the rest of us how you became a basketball fan, and why you still are today.......November is almost upon us after all, and we won't have time to talk like this when it gets here…….for then basketball season will have finally arrived!! >


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    Last edited by thunderbird1245; 09-04-2013, 05:33 PM. Reason: format improvement

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    Re: For the Love of the Game, updated version

    This essay was written by me a few years ago for PacersDigest, and today I wanted to post an updated version for all of those who never saw it. Somewhere in the archives, there were great responses from so many people who wrote in to tell their personal stories of what made them fall in love with the game, and many shared many memories from their childhood about people they cared about who nurtured and passed down their own versions of basketball hysteria. Please, write in to this thread and help celebrate the game that we all love, and honor the ones who helped you along the way.

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