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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Don't laugh now, but the 2-6 New York Giants are only 2 games out of the division lead. How hilarious would it be if a team that started 0-6 won the division? I don't think it will happen, but we all know that Dallas never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. They have had multiple opportunities to take a complete choke hold on that division this year, yet they always find ways to blow it. New York at most could only lose 2 more games and realistically could probably only lose 1 more, but if they beat Dallas in the Meadowlands and gain that game on them, then who knows what could happen? All I know is that I'm rooting for the G-Men to make a run because it would be absolutely hilarious to see a team that started 0-6 win a division.
    Not only that, but a team that starts 0-6 and wins the division means they went on a helluva late season run, which means they enter the playoffs with a massive head of steam, and we all know this Giant team as schizophrenic as they are, when they get a head of steam going into the playoffs, they usually win SBs.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
      Not only that, but a team that starts 0-6 and wins the division means they went on a helluva late season run, which means they enter the playoffs with a massive head of steam, and we all know this Giant team as schizophrenic as they are, when they get a head of steam going into the playoffs, they usually win SBs.
      I bet 8-8 wins that division, and only Dallas is really going to do better than that, Philly has too many injuries.
      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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      • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

        Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
        I bet 8-8 wins that division, and only Dallas is really going to do better than that, Philly has too many injuries.
        I bet 8-8 wins it too. Dallas easily has the talent to finish 10-6, but they are Dallas and will find a way to blow games that they should win. If the Giants could finish 6-2, then they have a chance. I'm not going to bet on it because they have looked dreadful for most of the season, but they are one one of the most bizarre teams in the history of sports and have a way of surprising people, for better or worse. Watch them finish 6-2, win a playoff game in wildcard weekend at home, and then find themselves in a position to knockoff a team like Green Bay on the road in the divisional round. Not likely, but the Giants are always capable of the incapable.

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        • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

          I'm gonna re-watch the Dallas vs Detroit match from Sunday. Tons of fun. Calvin Johnson should not be allowed playing in the league. It's highly unfair.
          Never forget

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          • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

            Sidney Rice out for the season with a torn ACL. Wow. Good thing for them having Harvin back.


            Never forget

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            • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

              http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-an...d-7945b5268433

              Tim Riggins Joins Broncos Practice

              Actor Taylor Kitsch, who portrayed running back/fullback Tim Riggins in Friday Night Lights, visited Broncos practice before giving the team a screening of his new movie.

              ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Tuesday morning, there was a familiar face on the Broncos sideline.
              But it wasn't a former player -- at least not in real life.
              Actor Taylor Kitsch, most famous for his portrayal of Tim Riggins in Friday Night Lights, took in the start of Denver's morning practice alongside Head Coach John Fox.
              "I'm Canadian, so I grew up loving hockey," Kitsch said. "But obviously doing FNL, I live in Austin, Texas, have for the last six years. So by default I've become a huge fan. So this is great for me."
              His former Friday Night Lights co-star, Scott Porter -- who portrayed quarterback Jason Street -- was jealous of Kitsch's behind-the-scenes access.

              "He's actually texting me right now," Kitsch smiled. "I just sent him a picture, so he can be as jealous as he wants."
              Kitsch is in town to give the Broncos a screening of his new movie, Lone Survivor. He was joined by the movie's writer and director, Peter Berg, for a tour of the facility after practice.
              "I was telling the guys, we're pretty spoiled," Kitsch said. "To come out here and to bring the movie with us and show the guys, it's just that reciprocity. It's great. I love it. I played sports my whole life, so just to be around the guys, too, is a lot of fun."
              The idea to give the team an early screening of the movie came from the Broncos. But there was another connection that helped make it happen.
              Kitsch knows Broncos Special Teams Coordinator Jeff Rodgers and Defensive Line Coach Jay Rodgers.
              "Their little brother lives in Austin -- it's a small world," the actor said. "He knows all about Lone Survivor, so really through that contact and then Foxy (Head Coach John Fox), his father was a Navy SEAL, that connection was made and we just tried to make it work. Finally we put it together and now we're here. It's great."
              The movie, starring Kitsch and Mark Wahlberg, is based on the 2005 Navy SEAL mission "Operation Red Wings." A team of SEALs was tasked with capturing or killing Taliban leader Ahmad Shahd. Marcus Luttrell -- who is also in Denver for the screening -- was the only member of his team to survive.
              Kitsch said he's "really" excited for the Broncos to see the movie.
              "It's a special film," he said. "That connection is very close, the brotherhood and everything else that you do for that guy next to you. That's what that movie is. I'm really excited for them (to see it)."
              Fox was just as excited, and said it was "great" to have Kitsch out to the facility to watch practice.
              “We’ve got a little team activity today -- we’re going to watch the premiere of Lone Survivor, which is kind of a team-building type of thing," Fox explained. "Obviously, it was kind of neat to see him. I think Marcus Luttrell, the real lone survivor, is going to be there, so I think our guys are excited about it. I know I am.”

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              • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                Games like this are why I don't trust the Bengals they lost in OT because of a safety.

                And apparently Geno Atkins has a torn ACL so he's dunzo

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                • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                  But they're still going to win that division.

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                  • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                    Amazing game and as I expected by far the best TNF for this season. Wake is a beast for Miami.
                    Never forget

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                      That's great for Charles himself but another reason why I'm not so convinced by KC's record so far and their offense. That's a huge percentage and just notice it's not their overall running game but only down to one RB!
                      Never forget

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                      • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                        Originally posted by travmil View Post
                        But they're still going to win that division.
                        That I believe as well but they will be one and done yet again

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                        • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                          That I believe as well but they will be one and done yet again
                          Yeah, the only difference this year is that their one and done won't come against the Texans. Outside of that, it will be the same script.

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                          • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                            Just heard some fascinating stats on ESPN:

                            The Cowboys are 4-4 this season.

                            Since the start of 2011, the Cowboys are 20-20.

                            Since the start of 1997, the Cowboys are 132-132.


                            This franchise has been the epitome of mediocre for the last 16 years.

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                            • Haha Lawrence Guy ( the ex Colt who blocked that FG vs Seattle), blocked another one against Washington from the 20 yards


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                              Never forget

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                              • Re: 2013 non-Colts thread

                                I really hate that they let him go I want to know why did they ever say?

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