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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

    WE SCORED POINTS!

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      give Appleby a start, screw it. year of eligibility either way.

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        Props for still watching the games Heis.

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          kinda burned out on GTA5, gotta do something with my Saturday afternoons

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            Ya, I ended up exercising much longer than I would've otherwise. Thanks Boilers!

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            • Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

              crushing a cupcake is a lot more like it

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              • Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                crushing a cupcake is a lot more like it
                Cupcake or no, it was nice.



                @situationaLefty: @GoldandBlackcom @HammerAndRails if my math is correct, basketball team put up more points tonight than football team has all year! 109-106

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                  ^prefer to say we smacked the Blue Devils...Purdue BB's back...

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                    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
                    Cupcake or no, it was nice
                    Indeed. Those FTs though, gonna haunt us eventually.

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                      Ugh I didn't see that. No matter what happens, I have little faith in this team's season if that doesn't improve drastically.

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                      • Re: Purdue 2013-14 athletics thread

                        check this out:
                        http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400488988

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                            So happy for Rob. I'm sure he's only playing because Martin is out, but he proved he could indeed play. Even played the 2, so that's good for his career too.

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                              http://www.jconline.com/article/2013...nclick_check=1

                              go to about 5:41 in the presser video. watch AJ lol.

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                                I don't really care how we've been playing, I love being a Boiler. E'Twaun is great guy.

                                ORLANDO – E’Twaun Moore has been a NBA point guard for three seasons, but the biggest assist of his life actually came far away from the court this past summer.

                                Following last NBA season, when he was back home in the same gritty, crime-riddled Guthrie Street neighborhood that he grew up in in East Chicago, Indiana, Moore was able to present his parents with the keys to a new home. The house was physically just 20 minutes away to the suburbs on the Indiana side of the border town, but it might as well have been a world away considering the bleakness that Ezell and Edna Moore were escaping. For more than 30 years, the family had somehow survived a place where gangs, drugs and violent incidents usually outnumber belief, hope and promise.

                                What was also significant to Moore – a talented guard for the Orlando Magic – was that this would be the first time that anyone in his family had actually lived in a house. Before, the family had only lived in what he called ``the projects’’ as they bounced around various apartments. Why, even when Moore made it to the NBA – first with the Boston Celtics and currently with the Magic – he had lived only in apartments because, quite frankly, that’s all he had known his whole life.

                                The new house is brilliant, Moore said, what with its four bedrooms and four levels and is complete with a ``mancave’’ where E’Twaun, his dad and his older brother can now retreat to for hours of shooting pool.

                                The details of the dwelling pale in comparison to the fact that the family is simply in a house for the first time ever. Knowing that his mother and father are able to look out the windows and see green grass and not fear for their surroundings, the magnitude of that moment hit Moore hard. Hidden where no one could see, Moore was overwhelmed with emotion.

                                ``It was so gratifying,’’ Moore said proudly. ``Inside it was really emotional for me, but I didn’t let them see that. Just to know deep down that I was able to make it out of the ‘hood and be a successful young man and do something for my parents it was amazing. Really, I was able to do something that a lot of people in that situation are never able to do and I’m proud of that.’’

                                `A BIG PART OF OUR TEAM’

                                Moore, a soft-spoken, mild-mannered type who coaches love because of his blend of toughness and professionalism, has plenty to be proud of this season with the Magic. Quietly, he’s been one of the most consistent players off the bench for Orlando and he’s played a big role in the Magic winning three big games early in the season. His finest moment came last week in the team’s signature defeat of the Los Angeles Clippers when Moore buried two fourth-quarter 3-pointers to spur the Magic onto victory.

                                Moore’s numbers – 7.9 points per game, 1.5 assists and 1.4 rebounds – aren’t particularly flashy, but Magic coach Jacque Vaughn and veteran captain Jameer Nelson shudder to think where they would be without him. Because Moore can play both guard spots, he is key is helping ease the NBA transition of rookie Victor Oladipo and also to give Nelson some rest. And the Magic don’t mind one bit if the ball finds Moore late in games because of his fearlessness when it comes to taking and making big shots.

                                ``E. is a big part of our team,’’ Nelson said. ``He is a good shooter, he plays well without the ball and he can handle it, too. He made big shots for us (versus the Clippers). We like to feed off one another when we are out there in different lineups and in different situations.’’

                                Added Vaughn, who often uses Moore in a utility role because of his versatility: ``I tell the guys every day that a coach wants to be able to look at to the bench and have guys down there that he can trust, believe in and know what they are going to give him on a nightly basis. (Moore) is that guy who is gaining the trust of his teammates and definitely with his coaching staff. His ability to be tough, guard multiple spots for us and just make shots is big. And at the end of the day, he competes and that’s the bottom line.’’

                                TOUGHNESS IN A TOUGH SITUATION

                                Moore, 24, had no choice but be tough considering the difficult circumstances that he grew up in just nine miles from Gary, Ind., and 35 miles southeast of Chicago. Dad, Ezell, worked as a mover for a furniture company, while mom, Edna, was a preschool teacher, and they provided a safe environment for E’Twaun – the youngest of three children – as long he was inside the four walls of their apartment.

                                Outside the apartment is where the chaos of gangs, drugs and gunfire was never far away. One of his closest friends, Dante Brown, was killed when Moore was a teenager, as was another relative, incidents that scared him straight. Brown was as good or better a basketball player, Moore said, and had they made it out of the neighborhood together they both could be in the NBA today.

                                Moore always had two watchful parents who raised him with tough love and discipline. Looking back, Moore said he didn’t always understand their methods at the time, but they just might have saved him from the streets.

                                ``When I was younger, I’d have to come in (the family’s apartment) as soon as those street lights came on,’’ Moore said with a chuckle. ``My friends would be able to hang out until 12 (A.M.) and I would wonder why I had to be in the house by 9 (P.M.)? But my parents always told me, `We want to know that you are fine. We want to know that you are safe.’ Of course, I always fought it and wanted to hang out with my friends, but my parents were there for me and kept me grounded.’’ And, of course, there was always basketball to guide Moore and keep his mind occupied. He was a regular on the asphalt courts just outside his apartment, shooting a pock-marked ball through chain nets and a double rim. Often he’d be out there playing for hours against ``grown folks’’ when he was just 12 years old.

                                Playing against bigger, stronger and older men is where Moore learned the high-arching jump shot from the corner and his teardrop floater in the lane. It also taught him to pick himself up when he gets knocked down, fear no man and fear no shot late in games with the balance hanging in doubt.

                                ``That definitely made me a lot tougher and not scared of anything,’’ Moore said proudly. ``After growing up in that, my approach has always been that if I can make it through that I can make it through anything. I’ve never been scared once playing basketball because it’s only a game.’’

                                Moore got a glimpse of what a powerful force basketball could be in his life in 2007 when he faced off against Indiana’s Mr. Basketball, Eric Gordon, in the Class 4A state championship game. At the time, Gordon was considered the top guard in the country, but it was Moore who poured in 28 points to help his Central High team pull off the shocking upset in the state title game. Moore said while he was growing up not once did he think that basketball could help him get to college or even to the NBA. He just played because he loved the sport and it beat the alternative of getting mixed up in the violence surrounding him. Looking back, Moore admits that basketball likely saved his life.

                                ``My neighborhood was really tough with a lot of violence, drugs and gangs. I was able to stay away from it because of my household, my parents and my brother and sister. That and basketball, of course – those things kept me straight. My parents stayed on my tail and basketball kept me busy,’’ he said candidly. ``Basketball definitely saved me. I had best friends and family members who died in the streets, so definitely basketball saved me.’’

                                At Purdue, Moore became just the third player in Big Ten history to tally at least 2,000 points (2,136), 500 rebounds (611), and 400 assists (400) in a career, joining among others Michigan State star Steve Smith.

                                A rarity as a NBA prospect who was a college senior, Moore was a second-round pick of the Celtics in 2011. He stuck with Boston because coach Doc Rivers loved his grit and versatility. As fate would have it, the best game of his rookie season was a 16-point, four 3-pointer performance against the Magic in January of 2012.

                                Moore signed with Orlando prior to last summer and was a key cog in the Magic offense until last January when he dived for a ball and a Washington player landed on his arm. The hit hyper-extended his elbow and sent the confidence in his shooting stroke into a tailspin.

                                ``That was a bad injury,’’ he said, shaking his head some 11 months later. ``That one really messed me up.’’

                                `My way of giving back’

                                Not long after the Magic picked up the option on the 6-foot-4, 190-pounder’s contract, ensuring him a second season in Orlando, Moore began the process of securing the new house for his parents. Deep down, he knew there might be resistance from his parents even though they lived near a place akin to a warzone during dark times. After all, Moore said wistfully, it was the only life that the family really had ever known.

                                ``They knew about the new house the whole time. I didn’t surprise them and I let them knew because that (apartment complex) was still their home that they were moving out of,’’ Moore said. ``It was still kind of tough for them to move because they were so comfortable being in one area for so long. Sometimes making that change is tough. I had to kind of force them to move to the new house.’’

                                Moore sold the idea of the new house to his parents as a way for him to finally give back to them for all of the support that they had offered through the years. Even today, Moore’s mom and dad, older brother (Ezell Jr.) and sister (Ekeisha) drive to Magic games in Indiana, Chicago, Detroit and Milwaukee to cheer him on.

                                Just like when his parents required him to be in the apartment as soon as the street lights came on at night during his teen years, Moore wanted the peace of mind of knowing that his mom and dad were ``fine’’ and ``that they are safe.’’

                                And when the family spent that night together in the house that was their own for the first time, Moore marveled at how he was able to make such an impactful difference. It moved him, even if he didn’t let anybody see it.

                                ``I didn’t literally cry, but it was just a warm feeling inside to do something for them,’’ he remembered. ``Without my family I wouldn’t have been able to make it to where I am today. This is my way of giving back and giving them anything that they need.’’
                                http://www.nba.com/magic/#/story/new...ents-new-house

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