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    If anything, the Turnovers should go down this season. That means we get perhaps 6-7 extra possessions per game just from not turning the ball over. So there will be some extra shots for the more prolific players to take advantage of. The reality is we will probably have to take an approach of riding the hot hand.
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    George Hill 12
    Paul George 17.5
    Danny Granger 12
    David West 14
    Roy Hibbert 14
    Lance Stephenson 8
    CJ Watson 6
    Luis Scola 9
    Copeland 6
    Ian 4
    Solomon 2
    OJ 3

    Ppg 107.5

    I think we score a lot more than last year.

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    To answer one of the original questions, I'd rather have a number one offensive option (meaning Paul) that knows how to score efficiently with good players around him, than have him score a bunch of points somewhat inefficiently with lesser players around him. Additions of Scola and Granger should only improve Paul's role as a number one scoring option due to less defensive focus on him.

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    PG: 17
    DG:15 (if healthy)
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    I have no idea. I don't even know what a single player averaged last year. I remember seeing PG being in the 19 range, but that's about it. As long as we are scoring more than we are allowing, I am happy. The specific distribution matters very little to me. Not to poo on the thread or anything. I just don't pay much attention to it.
    Same. That's just something I don't really pay attention to, at least for a team where I see every game and really don't have to rely on basic stats to judge players. I don't know what everyone will average next year, but my guess is it will be very balanced as the hot hand will score 25+ and the rest of the team will provide support. Whether it's Paul, Roy, George, David, Danny, Scola, Cope, whoever. Like what graphic-er said, I'm looking for the turnovers to go down. That's why we weren't the NBA champions last year, and if the turnovers can drop significantly it's why we will be holding that ugly trophy in June 2014.

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    Off the top of my head...

    George Hill- 10.5
    Danny Granger- 12.5 ppg
    Paul George- 17.5 ppg
    David West- 15 ppg
    Roy Hibbert- 12 ppg
    Luis Scola- 10 ppg
    Lance Stephenson- 8 ppg
    C.J. Watson- 5.5 ppg
    Chris Copeland- 3.5 ppg
    Ian Mahinmi- 2.5 ppg

    Adds up to about 97 PPG. Some of you need to taper your expectations. We aren't going to score 105+ ppg this season. We're still going to be a defense first team.

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    What I think will happen

    GH-10.1
    CJ-5.2
    =15.3

    PG-19.4
    LS-8.3
    =27.7

    DG-13.8
    CC-5.1
    =18.9

    DW-13.6
    LS-9.9
    =23.5

    RH-13.7
    IM-3.8
    =17.5

    So it comes out as 101.9 ppg

    Then i feel like we will probably give up 92.8 ppgs
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    I'm going to assume PG leads scoring and Granger is close behind, but really it's a shot in the dark. I think the Pacers are absolutely loaded offensively, but Vogel likes to play a slow place and concentrate on defense. So. I have no idea.

    Out of the starting lineup, I expect Hill and West will take the biggest hit on their numbers since they love to facilitate, and are very unselfish. But there should be a lot of opportunities, especially if Danny is healthy. If he's healthy, the team transforms from lacking shooters, to loaded with shooters. I mean a starting lineup with 4 good shooters, with guys like OJ and Copeland coming off the bench. That should open things up. There should be lots of looks for our guys.

    On one hand you definitely see PG attacking a lot and piling up points, but you also can imagine a shitload of open looks for Hill and Granger. This is the role Granger was made for. He's going to feast from the outside. Hill should improve as well since before he was the lone perimeter threat when PG had the ball. Now he's just one more shooter in addition to Granger.
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    Do many of you see us averaging over a 100 points per game? I just don't see us doing it. We're a slow it down, grind it out with our defense team. Sure, we'll average a little more, but I see our new weapons being more of a bail-us-out-when-someone-is-off kind of thing.
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    Do many of you see us averaging over a 100 points per game? I just don't see us doing it. We're a slow it down, grind it out with our defense team. Sure, we'll average a little more, but I see our new weapons being more of a bail-us-out-when-someone-is-off kind of thing.
    I was just getting ready to post something like this.

    I really think what we'll see is more efficiency, with fewer shots leading to no score and a new opponent possession, but considering how efficient we were at limiting both possessions in total and opponent points of their own possessions I don't see the overall numbers going up.

    I could see our PPG creeping into the high 98 range, but what I REALLY expect to see is our margin of victory increase, with fewer games under 5 points. I also expect fewer 20-point swings because the scoring will be more balanced. One might think this would lead to the "comeback" points being scored to give huge wins and 100+ point games, but the reality is that without pressure they will be able to maintain a consistent scoring pace (within the normal "game of runs" that is NBA basketball) and not have to find huge sequences of score/score/score/score to get back in the game.
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    Hibbert and West will still likely be on a minute hold. I doubt we will ever see Roy average 15+ ppg during a reg season. Using the rotation posted below
    Hill/Watson
    Paul/Lance
    Danny/Cope/Hill
    West/Scola
    Roy/Ian

    I think the scoring will break up something like this
    Hill 12 PPG/Watson 5PPG
    Paul 20 PPG/Lance 8 PPG
    Danny 15 PPG/Cope 4PPG/Hill 3-4ppg but PT negligible so not a true reflection of per game scoring for the team
    West 15 PPG/ Scola 9 PPG
    Roy 12 PPG/Ian 4PPG

    That puts us averaging 104 which seems high. I think 100 is doable. So take a PPG away from Roy, Hill, and Scola to end up 101.

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    Hibbs - 14 & 9 (2dimes, 2.3 blocks)
    West - 14 & 7 (2dimes)
    Granger 12 & 4 (1steal - 44%, 40% from 3)
    PG - 17 & 7 (5 dimes, 2steals, 0.8blocks, 45% overall-39% from 3)
    Hill - 12 & 4 (6dimes, 38% from 3)
    Lance - 7 & 3 (3 dimes, 1 steal 45%, 36% from 3) - He would average more, but he'll not likely get the minutes that he got last season.
    Watson - 5 & 1 (2dimes - 38% from 3)
    Copeland - 6 &2 (42% from 3)
    Scola - 10 & 6
    Ian - 5 & 4

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    George - 17
    Hibbert - 14
    West - 13
    Granger - 13 (beginning of the season probably 10, by the end he will be averaging 15)
    Hill - 10
    Scola - 9
    Lance - 9
    Watson - 5
    Copeland - 5
    Ian - 4

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    If Paul George's scoring doesn't move at all he better make a huge percentage increase then.

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    Danny 35 (bionic knees)

    West 20 (bionic body)

    Paul George 10 (batman is back so he takes the passenger side seat again)

    Roy 8 (Ian the "rim protector" Mahinmi is going to take points from him).

    Hill 6 points

    Lance 4 points (loses starting job to bionic knees)

    Scola 8

    Ian 14 (best backup center in the NBA)

    Coperland 15 (he is like a combination of Danny with Lebron)

    Watson 2 points


    Total of 122 points per game for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Skull View Post
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    Do many of you see us averaging over a 100 points per game? I just don't see us doing it. We're a slow it down, grind it out with our defense team. Sure, we'll average a little more, but I see our new weapons being more of a bail-us-out-when-someone-is-off kind of thing.
    Sure, but the only reason our scoring was not good last year was our bench.... The starters were very good scoring wise,
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    doing some math, we lost (rounding):

    Gerald Green- 7 ppg
    D.J. Augustin- 5 ppg
    Miles Plumlee- 1 ppg
    Jeff Pendergraph- 4 ppg
    Ben Hansbrough- 2 ppg
    Sam Young- 3 ppg

    so that gives us 22 ppg to spread out between Scola, Granger, Watson, Copeland, Solo, and Sloan, as well as increased averages of Hibbert and PG, now lets say our offense improves (which it should) and we average about 100 ppg which would put us at about 11th or 12th in the NBA, that gives us about 6 more ppg to spread out making our total 28 ppg, You can also bump down some players averages to get more ppg, so I am guessing George Hill goes form 14 ppg to 10, Lance from 8 to 6, Ian from 5 to 3, David from 17 to 14, OJ from 4 to 2, which makes our total 40 ppg, so here is my guess for the new guys and increased averages from Hibbert and George, Scola averages 10 ppg, C.J. 6 ppg, Copeland 6, Granger 11 Solo 2, Sloan 2, PG 19, Hibbert 14, this is just something I was bored so I decided to go through and make a guess at what the averages would be, what you realize when you are doing something like this, is our steam is stacked, can't wait for the season to start!

    Edit- btw the reason I have Lance's averages as low is because I think he can be more of a creator for the 2nd unit more than a scorer, I view Scola as the scorer, but really when guessing averages it is just a complete guess, I bet these won't even be close when the season starts
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    How about MPG projections? So we can tell how many minutes each player will get in order to get there PPG

    George - 17 PPG in 36 MPG
    Granger - 14 PPG in 28 MPG
    Stephenson - 8 PPG in 28 MPG
    Copeland - 3 PPG in 6 MPG
    Hill - 12 PPG in 30 MPG
    Watson - 5 PPG in 18 MPG
    West - 14 PPG in 28 MPG
    Scola - 10 PPG in 24 MPG
    Hibbert - 12 PPG in 28 MPG
    Mahinmi - 2 PPG in 14 MPG

    Changed some from my previous prediction. This is 97 PPG I think.

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    I want Paul George to take the next step as a scorer.

    More efficiency offensively (less turnovers, better shooting percentage). Hopefully that translates into 20+ PPG.

    I hope we fastbreak a bit more this year.

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    Something I really never think about. I think a lot more about shooting percentages. That is what I want to see increase.

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    How about MPG projections? So we can tell how many minutes each player will get in order to get there PPG

    George - 17 PPG in 36 MPG
    Granger - 14 PPG in 28 MPG
    Stephenson - 8 PPG in 28 MPG
    Copeland - 3 PPG in 6 MPG
    Hill - 12 PPG in 30 MPG
    Watson - 5 PPG in 18 MPG
    West - 14 PPG in 28 MPG
    Scola - 10 PPG in 24 MPG
    Hibbert - 12 PPG in 28 MPG
    Mahinmi - 2 PPG in 14 MPG

    Changed some from my previous prediction. This is 97 PPG I think.
    Hill- 30 mpg/ Watson- 18 mpg
    George- 22 mpg/Stephenson- 23 mpg/Granger- 3 mpg
    Granger- 20 mpg/ George- 12/ Copeland- 16 mpg
    West- 28 mpg/ Scola- 20 mpg
    Hibbert- 29 mpg/ Mahinmi- 14 mpg/ Scola- 5 mpg

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    PG's scoring will go down because Granger is back
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    Something I really never think about. I think a lot more about shooting percentages. That is what I want to see increase.
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    PG's first year as a leading scorer was tough obviously, but this year he absolutely needs to make improvements with his efficiency. Who cares if he only throws up 18/19 a game.. No turnovers, and his TS% needs to go up to 56/57% like all the other great scorers. Note -56 is really solid, and what most good to great scorers do ,but elite scorers do even better than that like Reggie Miller his entire career (one of the reasons he's actually an underrated scorer, he was truly great scoring the ball), James Harden and Durant are scorers that have a TS% greater than 60%. In other words, they're absolutely deadly when it comes to putting the ball in the basket.
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    George Hill 8.3 ppg / CJ Watson 4.5 ppg / Ben Hansbrough 0.3 ppg
    Lance Stephenson 14.3 ppg / Orlando Johnson 1.6 ppg
    Paul George 21.4 ppg / Danny Granger 9.5 ppg / Soloman Hill 0.8 ppg
    David West 10.7 ppg / Luis Scola 8.4 ppg / Chris Copeland 6.5 ppg
    Roy Hibbert 12.9 ppg / Ian Mahinmi 2.1 ppg

    I have no idea why i did it with decimals but this seems about right to me. So I went out on a limb and predicted a great season from Lance, I want him to stay the starter so badly.

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    George Hill 8.3 ppg / CJ Watson 4.5 ppg / Ben Hansbrough 0.3 ppg
    Lance Stephenson 14.3 ppg / Orlando Johnson 1.6 ppg
    Paul George 21.4 ppg / Danny Granger 9.5 ppg / Soloman Hill 0.8 ppg
    David West 10.7 ppg / Luis Scola 8.4 ppg / Chris Copeland 6.5 ppg
    Roy Hibbert 12.9 ppg / Ian Mahinmi 2.1 ppg

    I have no idea why i did it with decimals but this seems about right to me. So I went out on a limb and predicted a great season from Lance, I want him to stay the starter so badly.
    I really don't see West's scoring going down by 7 PPG.

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    And I thought I was being conservative on some of these and I still ended up with 107. As long as we keep shooting percentages up and turnovers down we should have a pretty potent offense to go with our stellar defense.

    George Hill 10 CJ Watson 6
    Paul George 18 Lance Stephenson 8
    Danny Granger 12 Copeland/Hill 6
    David West 15 Luis Scola 8
    Roy Hibbert 20 Ian Mahinmi 4
    Starters 75 Bench 32 Total per Game 107

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