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    Honestly, we (and as an alum I feel like I can say we for Indiana State) could finish 25 - 8 and not make the tournament. I think the only way we make it in is if we win the conference tournament, which is an issue since one of the top 5 teams in the country is in our conference.

    I work in Bloomington, and I joke around that I'm really looking forward to that Indiana State - Indiana NIT game. Now I feel like that may be giving Indiana too much credit.
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    I dislike Dwyane Wade because he is on the Heat, but I'm starting to dislike him even more for the fact that he fooled the world into thinking that Crean is a good coach. Outside of Wade carrying that team in 03, Crean really hasn't accomplished much for a guy who has coached as long as he has. No Elite 8's without Wade. Hey at least there is hope. IU can make a Final Four with Crean if we can just get our hands on a guy who will go on to become a top 20 all time NBA player.

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    Stopped watching after the Nebraska loss. Thought maybe I'd given up to soon on them after the Michigan win, but unfortunately that wasn't the case. It's so awful it's not worth wasting my time on.
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    I dislike Dwyane Wade because he is on the Heat, but I'm starting to dislike him even more for the fact that he fooled the world into thinking that Crean is a good coach. Outside of Wade carrying that team in 03, Crean really hasn't accomplished much for a guy who has coached as long as he has. No Elite 8's without Wade. Hey at least there is hope. IU can make a Final Four with Crean if we can just get our hands on a guy who will go on to become a top 20 all time NBA player.
    People forget that Marquette also played in the C-USA this year, and as Butler proved in back to back seasons if you can save a lot of your energy for March, you can ebat the hell out of some teams you shouldn't

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    It is almost painful to watch Yogi and NOah flounder out there.

    Noah is 13/22 on 3s this season, which is just mind boggling here to me. Here we are one of the shittiest shooting team I've ever seen and we have this guy shooting well and we're not even getting him a 3 game right now. That is just ****-tastic coaching

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    Dakich loves Crean. He defends him constantly on his radio show and will continue to. Dakich does not like a lot of the talent on IU's team. Specifically Hollowell and Perea.
    Didn't Crean ultimately get Dakich's back after Dakich punted some IU players that had issues that apparently were more serious that just basketball (in fact players that could've helped Crean field a better team that first year or two). But Crean didn't reinstate those players that Dakich punted. I am remembering that right aren't I?

    So maybe that loyalty 'bought' Dakich? At least for a while. Plus, if Dakich turned on Crean, especially before the rest of the state and basketball world does, he could be painted as jealous and accused of his opinion just being sour grapes.

    So there are at least two things brewing that would keep him from being at the forefront of being critical of Crean.

    Of course maybe he actually thinks he's a good coach...

    Yeah right....
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    Nah. Dakich just loves coaches. He doesn't really care for players or fans. That's just his way and always has been. He may "turn" on Crean at some point, but it will only be once it is very clear Crean is going out. Dakich needs to keep his coach ties strong since that is his big hook as a commentator, that he was once a coach.

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    What a terrible, terrible season.

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    Crean needs to be at a mid major where his rah rah energy and sales job can keep people energized while the mid-major schedule isn't too tough for his lack of coaching skills and won't get team and fans down with losses. And he'll be able to get enough athletes to win at a decent clip as long as the schedule isn't exceedingly too tough game in and game out. Meanwhile, instead of a tough Big Ten schedule he'll be able to manage the competition better and limit the tougher games and marquee teams coming in. Find a couple of Marquee teams he can play here and there and steal a game or two over the years.

    Expectations at IU are and always be more than Crean is capable of. The early IU schedule was an embarrassment for a team with IU's history and supposed return to relevance.
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    Crean 100% lost me as a supporter today. Today was the cherry on the **** sundae that has been this season. Unacceptable.

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    Crean 100% lost me as a supporter today. Today was the cherry on the **** sundae that has been this season. Unacceptable.

    Eh, for me it's been building. I could have honesty been ok with losing today to an inspired Purdue team if we had taken care of business in all the other winnable games, but we haven't. Just an awful year.

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    Normally, I can't stand listening to Dakich, but he was spot-on today.

    In order for Crean to win a title here he will need to recruit a team with insane talent to cover up his horrible coaching.
    i honestly don't think it is possible to assemble a team so talented that they could simply overcome another good squad with sheer talent with crean as the coach.

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    People forget that Marquette also played in the C-USA this year, and as Butler proved in back to back seasons if you can save a lot of your energy for March, you can ebat the hell out of some teams you shouldn't
    Butler proved that playing great defense and working as a team can make you "beat teams you shouldn't". Conference play had very little to do with either one of their runs.

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    Butler proved that playing great defense and working as a team can make you "beat teams you shouldn't". Conference play had very little to do with either one of their runs.
    Sorry but that is not 100% true. Butler definitely did not have to put forth the effort that major conference teams do. Now don't get me wrong, Stevens had a great game plan and those teams executed it, but playing in Horizon for 3 months helped them.

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    Butler proved that playing great defense and working as a team can make you "beat teams you shouldn't". Conference play had very little to do with either one of their runs.
    Tell that to Gene Keady.

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    Hey at least there is hope. IU can make a Final Four with Crean if we can just get our hands on a guy who will go on to become a top 20 all time NBA player.
    Wade is not a top 20 player all-time

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    Wade is not a top 20 player all-time

    Top 30 at worst. Regardless, Crean's resume is propped up big time by the fact that he had a guy who went on to become one of the greatest NBA players of his generation.

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    Top 30 at worst. Regardless, Crean's resume is propped up big time by the fact that he had a guy who went on to become one of the greatest NBA players of his generation.
    Yeah your overall point stands, I just don't have the opinion of Wade that you do. He carried one team to a title and rode Bron's coattails to two more. He's been hurt quite a bit. I don't know. Argument for another day.

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    Top 30 at worst.
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    Jordan
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    Barkley
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    Kobe
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Dirk
    Garnett
    Durant
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    Mikan
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    Russell
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    Wilt
    Barry
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    Havlicek
    Pettit
    Walton
    Erving
    Magic
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    Jordan
    Pippen
    M. Malone
    K. Malone
    Barkley
    Thomas
    Kobe
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Dirk
    Garnett
    Durant
    Lebron

    IMO, Wade is above Durant (not for long though), Mikan (only played 7 seasons), David Robinson (no titles without Duncan, Wade at least won the one title without Lebron), Walton (extremely short peak), and maybe Barry. I admittedly jumped the gun when I said top 20, but I think you can make an argument for top 30, though it's certainly not set in stone. What will ultimately hurt Wade is that it appears that his health might prevent him from being consistent in his 30's. But Wade has played for 11 years, has made it to 4 NBA Finals, has 3 champions, has an extremely high scoring average, and will go down as one of the greatest shooting guards ever. He's high up there.

    I didn't mean to derail the IU thread into a debate over where Dwyane Wade ranks amongst the greatest all time NBA players. My point was just that Crean hasn't accomplished much at all without a guy who went on to become one of the greatest NBA players of his generation.

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    As if the colossal failures of the men's soccer and basketball teams weren't bad enough, I have a feeling the baseball team is going to flop this year as well. They eeked out a 1-0 win at Texas Tech Friday before dropping both games of a doubleheader yesterday and getting dominated today to drop to 1-3.

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    People forget that Marquette also played in the C-USA this year, and as Butler proved in back to back seasons if you can save a lot of your energy for March, you can ebat the hell out of some teams you shouldn't
    The 2003 Conference USA was good though. They had 4 teams in the top 30 of the RPI and were 8th in conference RPI that year. Not a killer conference but they had tough teams. SLU and DePaul were okay that year as well. The 2003 Conference USA was the equivalent of last year's A-10 or the MVC of some years past. A mid-major conference with major programs.

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    My point was just that Crean hasn't accomplished much at all
    In hindsight you could've stopped right there.
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    Exactly one year ago, Tom Crean was on top of the college basketball world. Crean’s Indiana Hoosiers were 23-3 and ranked No. 1 in the country.

    In the 2013-14 season, Crean is just trying to make sure his team doesn’t free-fall into the CBI.

    There were lofty expectations in Bloomington despite the fact that Indiana lost its top four players from last season’s team that wound up getting upset in the Sweet 16 by Syracuse. Crean lost a pair of high-lottery picks to the NBA in Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller. He also lost two seniors who eclipsed the 1,000-point barrier in Jordan Hulls and Christian Watford.

    Fans in Bloomington, at least the realistic ones, knew there would be a dip -- but no one quite expected Indiana to be battling just to get into the NIT. Yogi Ferrell and Will Sheehey were both back, and the Hoosiers added a highly touted freshman class that included McDonald’s All American Noah Vonleh and three more top-100 players.

    Ferrell (17.9 PPG) has done his part, and the same can be said of Vonleh -- who is nearly averaging a double-double. But Sheehey has been disappointing relative to the expectations, and the rest of the team has been inconsistent.

    One of the highly regarded freshmen, skilled big man Luke Fischer, left Bloomington in December -- and wound up transferring to Marquette to be closer to his Wisconsin home. Another heralded recruit, sophomore big man Hanner Mosquera-Perea -- who has been a non-factor for most of this season -- remains suspended following an arrest for operating a vehicle while intoxicated.

    It’s a mess right now in Bloomington.

    There was the collapse at home against Penn State, followed by a shellacking at the hands of a mediocre Purdue team over in West Lafayette. There also was a setback at Assembly Hall to Northwestern in mid-January. Indiana is 14-11 and 4-8 in the Big Ten. The Hoosiers are looking up at both Nebraska and Northwestern in the standings, and are just a half-game in front of Penn State.

    Coming in, Indiana was considered a fringe NCAA tournament team after losing four starters. And now it's clear that the Hoosiers program wasn’t quite prepared to absorb the hit of losing its top two players early for the NBA, although just about everyone expected Zeller to depart prematurely for the next level.

    But still, no one saw this coming.

    Indiana has six regular-season contests remaining, and it’ll be interesting to see whether the Hoosiers finish with respectability. There are three at home (Iowa, Ohio State, Nebraska) and three on the road (Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan).

    It’s not out of the question, the way this team has been playing of late, for IU to limp into the Big Ten tournament with an overall record right around the .500 mark.

    A segment of the fan base is frustrated. They felt as though Crean had Indiana basketball back on track after the previous two seasons, that there would no longer be years like this one in which the program is irrelevant nationally.

    IU fans can handle one more down season, but the important question becomes whether the two-year stretch from 2011-2013 was an anomaly. Crean can handle the loss of graduating seniors Sheehey and one-year transfer Evan Gordon, but what if Vonleh -- projected as a lottery pick -- decides to leave Bloomington after this season?

    Indiana won’t have much up front if Vonleh bolts, but Crean will still have a bunch of talented guards and wings. Ferrell has made significant strides, Troy Williams has shown glimpses and the Hoosiers will add two talented wings ranked in the top 50 -- James Blackmon Jr. and Robert Johnson. Both are considered two of the top shooters in the entire class. The Hoosiers also have holdovers Jeremy Hollowell and Stanford Robinson.

    Don’t worry, Hoosiers fans. There won’t be another 6-25 campaign coming soon with Crean at the helm. This program, which won a total of 28 games in his first three seasons, is on far more stable ground than when he arrived in Bloomington.

    But Indiana fans don’t yearn for stability and even Sweet 16 appearances. They want Big Ten championships. They want national championships. Whether the Hoosiers are capable of bringing those to Bloomington in the seasons ahead will likely be the key question for Crean's future.

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    Don’t worry, Hoosiers fans. There won’t be another 6-25 campaign coming soon with Crean providing scheduling input.
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