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Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

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    Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

    I suppose you know where I am going with this. Instead of stating the obvious, let me ask a question. Is Sheed correct. Do all players slack off. I think a good number of players do. Some on purpose and others don't realize. Some do it because they play 40 minutes a game and they have to choose their spots and take little rests. Michael Jordan talked about doing this.

    OK, I better say it, I have watched 1,000's of NBA games over the past 25 years of my life, and I swear Artest is the only player I have ever seen who does not knowingly or unknowingly slack off. For example I think Jeff Foster never knowingly does slacks off, but there are times when he can't push himself to give 100%. What sets Artest apart is he can always push himself to give 100%.


    http://www.freep.com/sports/pistons/...e_20050110.htm


    PISTONS CORNER: Full effort every game can be tough

    January 10, 2005



    BY HELENE ST. JAMES
    FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

    Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady have brought up an interesting issue: Who among us works hard at our jobs every single day?


    Both have admitted that they do not. In an interview broadcast last Thursday on TNT, Carter was asked if he pushed himself every game while he was with the Raptors (he was traded from Toronto to New Jersey on Dec. 17). Carter replied, "In years past, no. ... You get spoiled when you're able to do a lot of things. You see that you don't have to work at it."


    Carter's cousin Tracy McGrady, who was traded in the off-season to Houston, confesses in this week's Sports Illustrated that he did the same during his time in Orlando.


    "Some nights I did slack off -- and I knew that was a terrible thing to do -- and I still was slacking off," McGrady told SI.


    The funny part is that although their statements make Carter and McGrady look like punks, they are hardly alone in taking nights off. According to one NBA veteran, there isn't a player in the league who doesn't coast through a game now and then.



    "There's going to be times when people say that it looked like we weren't going hard, because it happens," Pistons forward Rasheed Wallace said Sunday. "I don't know (anyone) in this league who goes hard for 82 games, plus the playoffs. There's going to be a couple nights where you might just cruise through, or you might tell your coach, 'Well, I'm not too much up to it tonight,' because you've got to get your body that rest. But, as far as everyone saying that taking nights off is bad or whatever -- no, it's stuff that we need."




    It has been only four days since Pistons coach Larry Brown lamented his players' efforts in a 101-79 loss to Memphis. "We had no energy," he said Thursday.


    The players felt the same way, too, according to Antonio McDyess. "After the Memphis game," he said, "every guy came in the locker room and said, we kind of gave, like, 50 percent, we didn't go as hard as we should have."


    On Sunday, Brown said, "I've been here a year and a half and there's not many games that I felt we didn't give an honest effort. And I'm not afraid to say it when we (don't), because I think I've got guys that care and will respond to that."


    RASHEED'S SHOOTING: Wallace is shooting .407 from the field, down from the .431 he had last season with Detroit. Both numbers are below what he shot in Portland. He shot in the high .400s in 2001-02 and 2002-03, and before that was above 50 percent for five consecutive seasons. One explanation Wallace offered: He was a go-to guy in Portland. In Detroit he's one of several scoring options. "That's something that I deal with -- it's not that I'm upset that I'm not the No. 1 option, nah, because there's going to be nights when I can't hit nothing and everybody else is hitting," he said. "But it's a different type of atmosphere. I don't have to take as many shots as I did out in Portland. So, that's kind of sort of it a little bit. But that's not nothing I'm complaining about, because it's just spreading that ball out." Wallace is averaging more shots this season (13.6) than he did last season with Detroit (12.8) -- but this season he seems to be taking more jumpers, whereas last season he excelled at posting up.
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    Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

    Ron doesn't slack off very often, sometimes when he is knocked on the floor, he likes to lay there a bit, almost like he is catching a nap.
    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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    • #3
      Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

      I suppose if talking of retirement or taking a month off to promote a CD isn't considered slacking then I agree with you

      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

        I think Rasheed Wallace, and really, all players in the NBA, slack off because they know that Michael Curry is starting for the Pacers. In fact, I think I'm gonna blow off my job tomorrow because of it. You all should too. Maybe get on here and theorize a way to blame Curry for the tsunami.
        Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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          Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

          Or faking an injury because he's pissed off at his coach or management... I guess if he takes the entire game off (to pout), that's okay?
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

            ..And I guess skipping practice with a fake migraine a few times isn't slacking either...

            -Bball
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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              Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

              why don't you rest in the offseason? YOu are paid so much money and you take nights off? WHAT KIND OF **** IS THAT! These NBA Players are spoiled punks!

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                Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                Listen....this is another instance of needing Ron Artest on the team...he plays 110% everygame and his intensity is amazing and gives everything which it makes it so much easier on the team..but the team elevates to Artest's level exceeding their normal capacity because of the storm Ron brings every game....and he dominates offensively!!!!! Pacers are a championship-to-win team with Ron playing...I can't wait for Stephen to come back and we will see how things are with a healthy Bender.

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                  Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                  I guess you never watched Calvin Murphy play? He was a perpetual motion machine.


                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                    Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                    Originally posted by Peck
                    I guess you never watched Calvin Murphy play? He was a perpetual motion machine.
                    He could also throw a MEAN right hook......only 5'9" player Ive ever seen beat the crap out of a center at mid-court.......

                    Dennis Rodman was another player that never stopped moving.....

                    And Jordan. Can't forget Jordan......he'd never, EVER slack off......

                    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                      Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                      Originally posted by Peck
                      I guess you never watched Calvin Murphy play? He was a perpetual motion machine.
                      Off the court as well.


                      He's got 14 children with 9 different women.
                      "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                        Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                        Not to derail the thread but speaking of Calvin Murphy....

                        Calvin Murphy
                        acquitted of sexual abuse
                        Five of his 10 daughters
                        accused basketball Hall of Famer

                        Hall of Fame guard Calvin Murphy, 56, had long denied allegations by five of his 10 daughters that he had sexually abused them more than a decade ago.
                        The Associated Press
                        Updated: 6:17 p.m. ET Dec. 7, 2004

                        HOUSTON - NBA Hall of Famer Calvin Murphy was acquitted Monday of charges he sexually abused five of his 10 daughters more than a decade ago.


                        As soon as the verdict was read, Murphy shook hands with his attorney and wiped away tears.

                        Murphy, 56, had long denied the allegations, saying they were based on resentment and a dispute over money. He could have faced five years to life for sex assault charges and two to 20 years for indecency charges.

                        “To hear that people believe in me and found me innocent of those charges, my heart just swelled up and started beating very fastly in my body,” Murphy said outside the courtroom. “I cannot say enough for what they have done to give me my life back.”

                        He said he hopes one day to be able to sit down and talk with his daughters.

                        “I want to start the healing process,” he said. “Let’s not forget that my family is in turmoil right now.”

                        Murphy’s daughters and prosecutors left the courthouse without commenting.

                        Testimony ended last week after Murphy tearfully testified in his own defense.

                        “You can never fully repair his reputation,” attorney Rusty Hardin told jurors during closing arguments. “But you can take that first step in righting an injustice.”

                        But prosecutor Paula Storts argued that Murphy was “a master of manipulation.”

                        “He’s a cheat and he’s a child molester,” she said.

                        The jury deliberated about two hours before returning its verdict in the monthlong trial.

                        Murphy was a Houston Rockets guard from 1970-83 and was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1993. His daughters said the abuse occurred between 1988 and 1991.

                        Prosecutors said Murphy tried to maintain a public image of having only one family, even though he has 14 children with nine women. He married one of the women, according to prosecutors, and accepted her children. They said his children with the other women were told not to call him “Dad.”

                        The former basketball star’s lawyers said three of the five daughters had been trying to claim $52,408 in death benefits left in a teachers retirement account belonging to their mother, Phyllis Davidson. Murphy had a 20-year relationship and four children with Davidson, who died in a car accident in 1996.

                        This year, the three daughters continued their grandmother’s attempt to stop Murphy from receiving the benefits. He was listed as the account’s beneficiary, according to court records.

                        On Feb. 20, letters went to Murphy, his three daughters and their grandmother that Murphy was the account’s rightful beneficiary. The money was never paid.

                        A month later, Murphy was arrested and charged with sexual abuse and indecency.

                        Murphy was dismissed from his job as an analyst for the Rockets as he awaited trial. Rockets senior vice president Tad Brown said Monday that the team was pleased Murphy had been cleared and would re-evaluate his future with the team at the end of the season.

                        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6663191/

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                        -Bball
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #13
                          Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                          haha

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                          • #14
                            Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                            I've got a question for all you smart as... people: When is it slacking off and when is it pacing yourself? Curiously awaiting all your wisdom.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Do all players slack off during games. Sheed says so

                              Just about every player "coasts" in games at times. Even Artest though his "coast %" is very low by NBA standards.

                              Others who are the same - JYD, Boykins, Jeff Foster, Scott Pollard back in Sacto, etc.

                              It's much harder for starters than reserves - the designated "hustle guy."

                              Reggie used to be a perpetual motion machine himself. But the Human Body can't take 100% effort for 40 minutes straight. Look at football - by design, that game demands 100% effort by everyone whenever the ball's in play. How much actual "play time" goes on in a game? 7 minutes? And players end up sucking wind after long drives.
                              The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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