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For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

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    For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

    Yesterday on July 16th. My wife and I had to say good-bye to our best friend, our dog Kaz. He was 10 1/2 years old Husky with the most beautiful blue eyes, and the most loyal of hearts. It was the most gut wrenching experience I have ever been through and has left me shattered.

    I post this here as some form of therapy to get all my feelings out and feel like I've told the world how amazingly special my dog was, Please take some time today give your dogs some extra love and affection and think about how special they are, and thank them for all that they give to us.



    The Story of Kaz,

    Kaz had come from a some what terrible condition spending the first 2 years of his life living in a crate on his owners apartment balcony, word has it that his first owners were crackheads and did not take very good care of him. A co-worker of my mother, rescued him and ask my mother to foster him for the time being. The first time I seen this dog I was blown away, he was so friendly and loving, and we were drawn to each other immediately. He would take toys and toss them high into the air and chase them down. Playing catch with himself. I thought to myself, maybe one day this dog will be mine. I couldn't take him then because I lived in a one bed room apartment that did not allow larger dogs, and I really wasn't making the type of money where I felt like i could care for him. For the next year I remember visiting my mother every week or so just to visit with Kaz. I moved back into my mom's place for 6 months to save up money to buy a house of my own. That is when Kaz and I became joined at the hip. My mother was moving to Michigan temporarily for a job and could not take Kaz with her to the apartment complex. She was going to rent out the house to the same guy who rescued Kaz in the first place and he expressed interest in keeping Kaz. I told her that is not an option and that Kaz is apart of this family and that he will remain apart of this family. I remember my mother proudly nodding in approval of her son.

    Kaz has been with me ever since for the last 6years or so. I always say that this dog was the best thing to ever happen to me. He made me shape up my life and go find a better job, save up money to buy a house, and it was all so that I could take care of him. But perhaps the most wonderful thing Kaz gave me, is my wife. (Married last October!) When I seen how much she loved Kaz and how much affection she had for him and how easily she put Kaz's well being and happiness before her own. I knew that I had amazing woman.

    For the past year Kaz has been set back from host of medical issues. He started having seizures, rarely happened but would strike without warning and scare the living daylights out of all 3 of us. The seizures were not frequent enough to start him on medication though, but you could tell they were taking their toll on him, his last seizure made him almost blind for a whole day until he snapped out of it. I've had that feeling for awhile now that my Journey with Kaz could be coming to and end and that we might be lucky to get another year with him. About 3 months ago we think Kaz had a seizure and fell of the couch or some how injured his back as he came up lame one day on a walk around the block. Limping on one of his hind legs and eventually in enough pain that he had to lay down. The next day he could only make it half way down the block before his limping returned. THe vet diagnosed a combination of arthritis and some slipped discs in his back. He was put on a combination of anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxers, and told that he needed to rest all the time and allow his spine to decompress and heal up, only allowed out in the yard to use the bathroom. Or otherwise face the possibility of expensive surgery that may or may not work. His treatment appeared to be working, we got him a ramp for stairs (to which he defiantly learned to use) and you could tell that his limp was fading and that he could spend more time in the yard with out it returning.

    July 5th was to be the test as to whether or not he could start exercising again as he was scheduled to return to the vet for his yearly shots and exams. We figured if he could go through that entire trip and vet visit with out developing the limp, that we would then start to return him to exercise and walks and hopefully a more exciting doggy life. The night before Kaz had shunned his normal dog food and did not want to eat anything. We figured that this was because of the 4th of July and that he was just upset at the fireworks in the our neighborhood, and that he just had a tummy ache for being so stressed out by them. The next day at the vet he also shunned any sort of treats during his visit, but we still just chalked it up to an upset tummy. But he passed all his tests and that it was time to start exercise. That evening he still turned away his normal dog food and would only eat treats or pieces of bread. He threw-up in the kitchen one day while we were at work, and it was nothing but Bile. We finally got him to eat some normal dog food and we thought okay this is encouraging. But the next morning he still turned away his breakfast. I made an appointment to see the vet on Saturday morning. In that time we got him to eat some boiled chicken and rice, and he did not throw it up. He was also still very regular in his bowel movement. So we were still encouraged, because at no time in this week did he seem like he was ill, he behaved like his normal self, just didnt want to eat his dog food. The vet ran some tests and did a physical exam and Kaz had revealed that his abdomen was very tender. His blood tests revealed elevated pancreas levels, and his urine test reveled that his kidney levels were up as well. The doctor admitted him to the clinic where they began fluid treatment for his kidneys and pancreatitis. His first 2 days were up and down, he was trotting around the yard at the clinic. He was also drugged up on various anti-nausea meds and pain killers, and so when we seen him he was quite relaxed and drugged up. His last 2 days in the clinic were very different. The vet said that his Kidney levels still had not come down and that he still shunned food. On our Monday visit, he could barely walk but he still recognized us and still wagged his tail when we spoke to him and petted him. But he displayed signs of jitters. They kind that reminded us of his seizures. But we thought his spark was still there. That evening I made some chicken and rice, knowing that he would eat this, just get something in his stomach to give him energy. I dropped it off at the vet Tuesday morning. They called me later that morning and said that the increased fluid levels did not have an effect and that his Kidney values had increased over night. Also they thought he had a seizure as his cage was a mess and he was very unresponsive and could not lift his head. His kidneys were failing him and he was mentally shot from the seizure.

    They advised us to see him ASAP. Our hope was that we would be able take him home for the afternoon and try to spoil him and let him be in a comfortable surrounding for atleast bit. When we got there and took one look at him we could see how bad a shape he was in and we knew what had to be done. We got him into a private room, on his bed from home. He looked lost, he looked confused. But we could tell he knew we were there. His breathing was labored and we could here a whimper with every breath. Our touches seemed to sooth him. With no other options left, all we had to give him was mercy. He is at peace now. No more suffering. I could see his brief moment of relaxation as he passed.

    All I know is that I believe he was waiting for us, holding on as long has he could, because as they carried him into that room and he looked me right in the eye. His eyes grew wide as to say thank goodness you are here!
    Last edited by graphic-er; 07-17-2013, 02:29 PM.
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
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    Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

    It it is hard to speculate exactly what caused his sudden kidney issue and Pancreatitis. My first thought is the NSAID Rimadyl that he was being given for 3 months on a daily basis, these drugs can have disastrous side effects on Dogs Kidney's and Liver, but he did pass his 2 week tolerance test on that drug. But it could be that just the constant dosing crept on him. Kaz has always been one of a heavy drinker, so he might of had weakened kidneys for several years. But if your vet prescribes your Dog Rimadyl, I would be very watchful of them and note down any sort of changes in their drinking and eating habits or excessive panting. Kaz displayed very heavy panting and we just thought it was stress from the fireworks. Its so easy for these types of things to go unnoticed.

    But if your dog ignores regular food but gobbles up treats it might be becasue they have having pancreas issues. For many dogs the flavor of the treat is enough will to eat even though it will hurt them during digestion. So get your dog checked as soon as possible. I don't know if that would have made a difference in our case but knowledge is power.

    I have even read cases where an injury to thoracic lumbar region in the spine can cause weakening of the Pancreas function, as they are connected by a bundle of nerves, and that was the very set of vertebrae Kaz was feeling in pain for the last 3 months.

    UPDATE:
    Thinking back to last week. Kaz's new order of Front Line Plus flea and tick preventer came in the mail. We only give this to him in the summer months because he is mostly an inside dog, our regular vet stopped selling it and we bought some from Amazon. There have been a many cases of the Front line product causing all sorts of problems with Dogs including Kidney Failure, but he has been on this for most of his adult life. I gave Kaz his first application of the year on Tuesday July 6th. So he was already displaying his loss of appetite and before this, but It is possible that this product messed with his kidney's.

    It is harsh to think that me giving him some Vet prescribed drugs or OTC Flea ointment contributed to his passing, but the correlations are enough to for me to seriously evaluate the use of these medicines in my future dog.
    Last edited by graphic-er; 07-18-2013, 02:15 PM. Reason: an update
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      Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

      Reading that story put a tear in my eye. I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your special friend. Kaz sounds like he was a very sweet soul and he looks like a beautiful dog in that picture.

      Two years ago, we had to watch our 14 year old Golden Retriever suffer. It got to the point where we were forced to make the same agonizing decision that you did. Five months after that, we adopted a one and a half year old Golden who is now three. She is an absolutely beautiful creature and has lit up our world. It's incredible how quickly a new dog can steal your heart. You sound like you were a tremendous dog owner who loved that dog dearly, so I hope that someday you give another dog a great home if that's what you desire. Having gone through the same thing just a couple of years ago, I think the best therapy is to mourn for an adequate amount of time (a few months or whatever is suitable) before deciding to give another wonderful creature a home.

      Again, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of Kaz.

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        Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
        Reading that story put a tear in my eye. I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your special friend. Kaz sounds like he was a very sweet soul and he looks like a beautiful dog in that picture.

        Two years ago, we had to watch our 14 year old Golden Retriever suffer. It got to the point where we were forced to make the same agonizing decision that you did. Five months after that, we adopted a one and a half year old Golden who is now three. She is an absolutely beautiful creature and has lit up our world. It's incredible how quickly a new dog can steal your heart. You sound like you were a tremendous dog owner who loved that dog dearly, so I hope that someday you give another dog a great home if that's what you desire. Having gone through the same thing just a couple of years ago, I think the best therapy is to mourn for an adequate amount of time (a few months or whatever is suitable) before deciding to give another wonderful creature a home.

        Again, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of Kaz.
        Thank you for your kind words. Kaz was the sweetest, he ran a loving home. When my wife and I would wrestle or get into a tickle fight he would come running up baying at us and would jump on who ever was winning. As to say "you to knock it off and love on me instead" to which we would both turn on him and try to get him instead!

        We do have plans to get another Husky at some point in the future. The presence of a dog just livens up the entire house.
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          Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

          Sorry to hear, man. Put my first dog down (at age 12) a few years ago and it was a really, really tough experience. His brother is now 15, and while he checks out well with vet, is still active, eating, enjoying dog things enough to make me think he still has good quality of life, it's been really tough to watch him slow down over the last year or two. This dog was absolutely turbo, bonkers, wanting to play all the time and just a wild dog in general. Now, he's a lot slower, doesn't want to play, and while he still enjoys his walks, he sometimes gets a hitch in his step or goes lame as we're nearing the home stretch.

          This dog shouldn't even be alive, though, so I'm just thankful every day he's still here, and try to act as such to treat him well.

          So ver sorry to hear about your dog. It's tough, man, and people just don't get it 'cuz it's not THEIR dog. It's so much different when it's your dog. You can be a rational human being and tell yourself it's an animal, animals die, it's just the natural order of things, etc. But once it's your dog...it's not really an "it" anymore, is it?

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            Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

            Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
            Sorry to hear, man. Put my first dog down (at age 12) a few years ago and it was a really, really tough experience. His brother is now 15, and while he checks out well with vet, is still active, eating, enjoying dog things enough to make me think he still has good quality of life, it's been really tough to watch him slow down over the last year or two. This dog was absolutely turbo, bonkers, wanting to play all the time and just a wild dog in general. Now, he's a lot slower, doesn't want to play, and while he still enjoys his walks, he sometimes gets a hitch in his step or goes lame as we're nearing the home stretch.

            This dog shouldn't even be alive, though, so I'm just thankful every day he's still here, and try to act as such to treat him well.

            So ver sorry to hear about your dog. It's tough, man, and people just don't get it 'cuz it's not THEIR dog. It's so much different when it's your dog. You can be a rational human being and tell yourself it's an animal, animals die, it's just the natural order of things, etc. But once it's your dog...it's not really an "it" anymore, is it?
            I agree, Kaz has been the first dog I've had to put down. My family has always had dogs when I was growing up but this was the first one where I can say he's my dog and I am the one who takes care of him. All the other dogs, we had to give away at some point or the dog was part of a divorce, etc... He has really been my first major loss of a family member. So it is particular hard, i've not felt that kind of loss before.

            Have you tried some joint supplements for his lameness? We were giving Kaz one called Glyco-flex 3 chewable. Took about a month for them to set in, I think they really made difference in him and really helped him recover from his back injury. You can buy a big bag fairly cheap on Amazon. I read alot of reviews on it and many people claimed it helped their pups stay strong on walks.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

              Quick story: we had a dog growing up and when we finally had to put her down I remember wondering why my mom was more distraught about losing our dog than losing her father just a few months earlier. She just kept saying it is different, not that one is worse or better. her father lived to be 80 awhich was a long time back then.


              I think now I know what it was. Your dog is always around, I mean always. Whenever you are home he or she is always there. Besdies a spouse or kids who live oin the house with you, your dog is the next closest living creature. In my mom's case she hadn't lived with her father in 30 years or so.


              My current dog is 10 years old, he'll probably only live a few more years, I know I'll be heartbroken when he dies. When he is gone there will always be a void.

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                Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                Losing a long time pet is really losing a long time member of the family. I am very sorry for your loss and I know Kaz did feel the comfort of you being there at the end for him.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                  Dogs are people too... as far as I am concerned...

                  Sorry for your loss.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                    I'm sorry for your loss man. I also have a full blood husky. She's a year old. They are so energetic and friendly it's amazing. We treat our dogs like their our kids. Huskys can be so independent, but then at the same time they have moments when they want to be so love able and cuddle with you.

                    I have a dog at my mothers house that ive had since second grade. She has to be 13 close to 14 now. And she's probably not gonna make it much longer...I'm gonna be tore up when that happens. It sucks man. I love my dogs more than most people.

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                    • #11
                      Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                      I am really sorry to hear about the loss of Kaz. Unfortunately, I live in an apartment where you can't have any animals and growing up my parents were not really open to getting a dog. Finally my sister and I convinced my parents to adopt a puppy when I was 15. The next year I transferred high schools and while everything turned out fine, for the first several weeks I had a lot of trouble making friends. I didn't want to let on to my parents that I was having any problems but the dog just somehow sensed that I was stressed out. So even though she had always paid more attention to others in my family, once I started having problems she was immediately drawn to me, always sat by me at home and slept in my bed even though she had never done that before. Funny thing is, she did the exact same thing when a college girlfriend I was really crazy for dumped me right before I went home to Indiana for a summer a few years later. Dogs just really help get you through the rough times, and they are also there to provide tons of good memories. That dog is now 10.5 years old so she's starting to slow down, her mother is still living and her dad lived to be 16-17 so I hope she has a few good years left with my parents, but I'll be crushed when she's gone even though its been several years since I saw her every day.

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                      • #12
                        Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                        Thank you all for your kind words, your thoughts and stories about your own pups have really helped me today. I truly appreciate it.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        • #13
                          Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                          Sorry for you loss graphic-er. We had to put our 16 year old lab down a couple of years ago. While we have another dog now she will never be Becca, but then Becca had been trained to be a Leader Dog before washing out as too friendly (not good when they are supposed to be working).
                          I would love to get another lab or maybe a German Shorthair but the wife won't hear of it (although she'd secretly love to have another also)

                          The loss will fade but not the memories...chin up.



                          BTW....I was once told by a Vet student who was nearing graduation to never use dog beds with cedar chips with a lab. It seems it can cause kidney disease and even cancer. Now, she specified labs so let that be a warning to any lab owners. I cannot address any other breed of dogs though.
                          Last edited by indygeezer; 07-18-2013, 08:32 AM.
                          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                          • #14
                            Re: For the Dog lovers out there....said goodbye to an amazing friend.

                            I am sorry to hear about your loss, but it sounds as if you were blessed with an amazing friend! Kaz will always be with you!


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