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  • Lakers waive Artest: Update - Knicks sign him two year deal

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...020753419.html

    We've been watching Metta World Peace's Twitter account over the past few days to see how the famously off-kilter forward would continue to poke fun at the rumors that the Los Angeles Lakers were considering using the amnesty provision in the NBA's 2011 collective bargaining agreement on him. On Thursday evening, though, what came from @MettaWorldPeace wasn't a gag:
    Yes, three days after Kevin Ding of the Orange County Register reported they would, the Lakers announced that they had designated the former Ron Artest as their amnesty player and will waive him. The move sheds the final year and the $7.7 million left on his contract from the Lakers' books in an effort to pare down the amount the team will owe the league in luxury tax payments. The move comes days after being hit with a massive tax bill for the failed 2012-13 season.
    General manager Mitch Kupchak issued a team statement announcing the decision:
    "It's tough to say goodbye to a player such as Metta, who has been a significant part of our team the past four seasons. For anyone who’s had the opportunity to get to know him, it’s impossible not to love him [...] He has made many contributions to this organization, both in his community work as well as in our games; perhaps no more so than in his clutch play in Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals in helping to lead us over the Celtics in one of the greatest playoff wins in Lakers history. We thank Metta for all his contributions and wish him the best of luck in the future.”

    Naturally, Metta responded appropriately:
    (Thanks for that, Metta.)
    With a top-heavy, expensive roster like the Lakers', the amnesty provision is one of the few tools at the front office's disposal to make a massive payroll reduction in one fell swoop. Three Lakers earn higher salaries than World Peace — Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Steve Nash, and Los Angeles couldn't amnesty Nash's contract because it was signed July 1, 2011.

    While the team technically could have axed Bryant or Gasol, the fans would've revolted if they got rid of Kobe, and Gasol's a less attractive candidate than Metta because A) the Lakers need a good big man after Dwight Howard's departure, and B) he's a better potential trade chip than World Peace should it come to that. The Lakers also could have amnestied Steve Blake, but the reserve point guard's $4 million contract wouldn't have generated the same savings.


    So World Peace goes on the amnesty chopping block, which takes the $7,727,280 owed World Peace for 2013-14 not only off the Lakers' salary figure, but also off the amount they owe in luxury tax. (They will still have to pay World Peace that $7.7 million, though; the debt to the player isn't extinguished just because the balance-sheet implications are.)


    Under the old CBA, teams paid a flat $1 in tax for every dollar they spent over the so-called luxury tax line. Under the 2011 CBA, teams pay amounts that increase incrementally based on how far over the cap they happen to be — $1.50 in tax for every buck spent over the line until you get to $5 million over, then $1.75 in tax for every dollar between $5 million and $10 million over, $2.50 in tax for every dollar between $10 million and $15 million, and so on. The '13-'14 luxury tax line was set Tuesday at $71.7 million.

    Assuming L.A. fills out its roster with veteran minimum salary signings like Jordan Farmar and Nick Young, jettisoning World Peace's contract will save the Lakers $14.3 million in tax payments, according to salary cap aficionado Larry Coon. They'll still have a long way to go to get all the way under the $71.7 million tax line, but considering the final tax figure isn't tallied until the date of the team's final regular-season game, the Lakers have plenty of time to try to figure out how to get there, should they choose to do so.

    OK, enough math — what does this mean on the court? Well, for starters, it means that Nick Young might have started the day without a job and ended it as the Lakers' starting small forward, which means this is a pretty rad day for him. It also means the Lakers now don't really have a "best perimeter defender" or any depth on the wing, and are going to have to find another minimum-salary small forward (or two, roster-permitting) as the summer progresses.

    For World Peace, it means waiting through a 48-hour waiver period in which any team with available cap space can make a bid for his services. Right now, according to Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus, there are only 11 teams with cap space remaining — the Atlanta Hawks, Philadelphia 76ers, Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, Sacramento Kings, Milwaukee Bucks, Dallas Mavericks, Charlotte Bobcats, Utah Jazz, Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns.


    If none of those teams makes a bid over the next two days, World Peace will clear waivers and be free to sign with any team he chooses. Yahoo! Sports NBA columnist Marc J. Spears reported Tuesday that the New York Knicks would have interest in bringing in the Queensbridge, N.Y., product for the veteran's minimum. Sam Amick of USA TODAY Sports reported that World Peace would also be interested in joining contenders like the Los Angeles Clippers, Brooklyn Nets, Miami Heat, Oklahoma City Thunder, San Antonio Spurs and two of his former teams — the Chicago Bulls, who drafted him in the first round of the 1999 NBA draft out of St. John's, and the Indiana Pacers, with whom he played parts of five season. He earned an All-Star berth in 2004 and a nod as the NBA's 2003-04 Defensive Player of the Year while with the Pacers.


    Beyond that, though, it also means the end of a pretty weird, pretty amazing chapter in both World Peace's career and recent Laker lore.


    World Peace joined the Lakers as Ron Artest for the 2009-10 season, one year after L.A. beat the Orlando Magic for an NBA title, and two years after he reportedly barged into L.A.'s showers following the Lakers' '08 Finals defeat at the hands of the Boston Celtics to tell Kobe Bryant he was "going to find a way to come to L.A. and give you the help you need to win a title."


    Artest did that in their first season together, averaging 11 points, 4.3 rebounds, three assists and 1.4 steals in just under 34 minutes per game and taking on the Lakers' toughest perimeter assignments in his 77 starts. He was uneven in the postseason that first year, but came up with multiple big games to help the Lakers' quest for a repeat, including a pair of huge closeout games — 25 points on 10 for 16 shooting, four rebounds and three steals in Game 6 to vanquish Nash's Phoenix Suns, followed by 20 points, five rebounds and five steals in the Game 7 win over Boston that Kupchak referenced in his statement.


    He had huge moments in that title run, too. He made a game-winning putback layup and made Craig Sager say Queensbridge; he celebrated the Game 7 win with two amazing interviews in which he thanked everybody from his hood, his psychiatrist and Doris Burke, called himself a coward, said his dad had big muscles and promoted his rap single, "Champions." As career pinnacles go, it was a pretty amazing one. Artest — who later, perfectly, legally petitioned to change his name to Metta World Peace and successfully did so — and the Lakers never got back to that peak, though.


    They made it to the second round of the 2011 postseason before getting blitzed by the Dallas Mavericks, precipitating Phil Jackson's retirement. They made it to the second round of the 2012 postseason before getting blitzed by the Oklahoma City Thunder, precipitating the super-team-intended acquisitions of Howard and Nash. They made it to the 2013 playoffs despite a flaming wreck of an injury-filled, drama-fueled season before getting blitzed by the San Antonio Spurs, precipitating the uncertain future with which the team is now faced. The world had turned and left them out of the ranks of the elite.


    Still, as we get bummed about the end of Metta's time in Southern California, let's celebrate the degree to which he made the most out of being in Los Angeles. He parlayed his eccentricity and increased public profile into roles as a detective in a Lifetime movie and an "overtly sexual vampire elder" in a TV pilot. He landed what we're sure was a lucrative endorsement deal for cell phone watches. He snagged guest spots on "Yo Gabba Gabba!," and multiple local newscasts, and hosted his own stand-up comedy tour. He went into the stands and kissed ladies' hands. He had a lot of fun.


    He also became a really staunch mental health advocate, auctioning off his 2010 championship ring to benefit mental health charities, raising even more money for organizations in need, and making public service announcements aimed at raising mental health awareness, especially for kids. His efforts earned him the NBA's 2011 J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award, the kind of honor that was unthinkable years earlier, when he was still fighting to rehabilitate his image after the "Malice at the Palace." His subsequent season-long suspension and the ugly end to his time in Indiana.

    Did it all go perfectly? No — sometimes someone got elbowed in the head, or punched in the head, and when those things happened, Metta got suspended. But by and large, it went well.


    He always tried, he always cared, and he always gave Lakers fans the common courtesy of doing whatever he could to try to live up to his contract. He even went so far as to rush back into the lineup 12 days after knee surgery this spring because L.A. was a M.A.S.H. unit desperately in need of all hands on deck in its playoff push. His numbers won't rank up there with the greats in Laker history — 298 appearances, including 270 starts; averages of 9.9 points, four rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.4 blocks in 31.1 minutes per game; marks of 40.3 percent from the floor, 34.1 percent from the 3-point arc and 68.5 percent from the foul line — but he'll be remembered as a warrior by these fans, and that ain't nothing.
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 07-15-2013, 04:16 PM.

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    Re: Lakers waive Artest

    Posted in the offseason thread but I guess it's worth it's own thread.
    I hope he ends up on the Bobcats.
    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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      Re: Lakers waive Artest

      he'll probably go to NY
      "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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      • #4
        Re: Lakers waive Artest

        Sign him, let him mentor Han Solo.

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        • #5
          Re: Lakers waive Artest

          Ragnar, is this your way of saying the Pacers should sign him????

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          • #6
            Re: Lakers waive Artest

            I hope a crappy team signs him and he retires.

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            • #7
              Re: Lakers waive Artest

              I'm disappointed in the non-response to my comment.

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              • #8
                Re: Lakers waive Artest

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                Ragnar, is this your way of saying the Pacers should sign him????

                LOL no I would rather sign Jamaal Tinsley Stephen Jackson Al Harrington Brad Miller and Jermain as our bench

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                  Re: Lakers waive Artest

                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  Sign him, let him mentor Han Solo.
                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                  I'm disappointed in the non-response to my comment.
                  Ok...Ill play. Danny Granger turned out pretty good. So you may be onto something.
                  The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                    Re: Lakers waive Artest

                    Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                    Ok...Ill play. Danny Granger turned out pretty good. So you may be onto something.
                    Haha, yeah...my troll attempt failed. Anyways I think Granger has done just as good of a job of mentoring PG as Artest did Granger, so I think I can live with Granger and PG mentoring him.

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                      Re: Lakers waive Artest

                      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                      Haha, yeah...my troll attempt failed. Anyways I think Granger has done just as good of a job of mentoring PG as Artest did Granger, so I think I can live with Granger and PG mentoring him.
                      Actually the Pacers should talk to Ronnie about their vacant assistant coaching position. Then he could help all 3
                      The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                        Re: Lakers waive Artest

                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                        Haha, yeah...my troll attempt failed. Anyways I think Granger has done just as good of a job of mentoring PG as Artest did Granger, so I think I can live with Granger and PG mentoring him.
                        Granger and Artest were only together for the 2005 off-season and one month of the 2005-06 season before Artest's selfish trade demand. Artest didn't spend near as much time with Granger as Granger has with PG.

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                          Re: Lakers waive Artest

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          Granger and Artest were only together for the 2005 off-season and one month of the 2005-06 season before Artest's selfish trade demand. Artest didn't spend near as much time with Granger as Granger has with PG.
                          Oh my sarcasm and jokes and troll attempts are just going right over people's heads today. Makes me sad. That was part of the joke that was my first post.

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                            Re: Lakers waive Artest

                            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                            Oh my sarcasm and jokes and troll attempts are just going right over people's heads today. Makes me sad. That was part of the joke that was my first post.

                            Sorry

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                              Re: Lakers waive Artest

                              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                              Sorry
                              Nah, not your fault, I tried to hard to be subtle about it, plus text form is notorious for misunderstanding because you don't get tone or body language.

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