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    Ron Artest and Randy Moss aren't 100 percent alike, but there are many similarities between them:

    Both are among the best and most uniquely talented players in their respective sports.

    Both give their teams a much better chance of winning when they are performing to their standards.

    Both cause their teams and leagues great headaches with distractions that lead others to think they aren't worth keeping around, despite their tremendous talent.

    Both have their fair share of supporters and distractors and stir passionate debate among fans.

    So, with that said, my question is this: if you feel Ron's talent overrides the other issues and you want him on the Pacers despite the off court issues, do you look at the Vikings/Moss situation in the same way? Conversely, if you feel Ron must go because of the distractions, do you also think the Vikes need to dump Moss?

    Finally, the top two questions are irrelevent if you don't think the comaprison is valid in the first place. In that case, please discuss why you do not think the situations are similar.

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    Ron Artest and Randy Moss aren't 100 percent alike, but there are many similarities between them:

    Both are among the best and most uniquely talented players in their respective sports.

    Both give their teams a much better chance of winning when they are performing to their standards.

    Both cause their teams and leagues great headaches with distractions that lead others to think they aren't worth keeping around, despite their tremendous talent.

    Both have their fair share of supporters and distractors and stir passionate debate among fans.

    So, with that said, my question is this: if you feel Ron's talent overrides the other issues and you want him on the Pacers despite the off court issues, do you look at the Vikings/Moss situation in the same way? Conversely, if you feel Ron must go because of the distractions, do you also think the Vikes need to dump Moss?

    Finally, the top two questions are irrelevent if you don't think the comaprison is valid in the first place. In that case, please discuss why you do not think the situations are similar.

    Randy Moss has admitting to not giving 100% and sulking during games.

    Ron Artest has never set foot on a court, whether it be practice or a game and not given 100% and nobody can question that. Artests' problems are all within the context of the game, he never has had legal problems off the court as Moss has. Moss is a receiving specialist, undoubtably one of the best, but it's hard to compare a WR with a basketball player that plays both ways and is one of 5 on the court, rather than 1 of 22 that start in football.

    Essentially, I think the comparison is a slap to Ron Artest and reinforces how misinterpreted his shortcomings have been. Flagrants and Suspensions are Ron's biggest shortcomings, not jaking it during game time and acting like a fool off the court.

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    Default Re: Ron Artest and Randy Moss

    Randy Moss isnt even CLOSE to Ron Artest.

    Randy's problems are effort-related, Ron's are not. Randy hasnt been suspended, to my knowledge.

    Also, there are 52 players on an NFL team. There are only 12-15 on an NBA roster. Football teams can MUCH MORE afford to have risky players.

    Any NBA player with an attitude like Randy Moss would be run out of the NBA.

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    Moss is known for a long history of off-the-field criminal behavior, and for being a self-promoter on the field.

    Granted he also is known for missing meetings and occasionally doing stupid things like going into the locker room early.

    He also never struck me as intense or tempermental, just juvenile.

    Ron has temper issues that must be dealt with if he allows it. Moss has 100 other issues and has consistently refused to address them and has apparently never had a coaching staff that insisted that he do so.

    I'd dump Moss in a heartbeat. Of course, I'm also quite willing to part with Ron if we could get anything close to fair trade value.

    I view Moss as much much more of a bad apple than Ron, even though Ron has had one blowup that exceeds anything Moss ever did.

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    Default Re: Ron Artest and Randy Moss

    No comparision, Ron does not have a "FRO"

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    I'm amazed someone else thought of this as well. I was thinking the same thing while watching the Vikes-Packers game yesterday.

    Ron and Randy have different issues. Ron's being anger related and Randy's being Maturity. But, it boils down to the fact that they cause their respective teams distractions.

    The reason the Vikings put up with it is that Randy makes big plays and gives them a better chance to win.

    When this offseason comes around for the Pacers, they will make a similar evaluation of Ron. He gives us the best shot at winning games. I know people will say he can't help you win games when he is not on the court. But, what has happened this year will never happen again.

    The way the Pacers have played against the elite teams this week proves we lack defense right now. We will see if the defense comes around when Jack returns. If so, and they end up playing well the rest of the season, the Pacers will probably get rid of Ron. But, if they continue to play the same against good competion, they will think twice about trying to unload Ron.

    Althetes with great talent and production can get away with a lot if they make your team a chmapionship contender. Thats both these players give their teams.

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    Default Re: Ron Artest and Randy Moss

    Quote Originally Posted by Kstat
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    Also, there are 52 players on an NFL team. There are only 12-15 on an NBA roster. Football teams can MUCH MORE afford to have risky players.

    Any NBA player with an attitude like Randy Moss would be run out of the NBA.

    Interesting I was going to use the same set-up to make the exact opposite point. Moss is much easier to replace than Artest.

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