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    Default The Reggie Miller Effect

    I ran a few numbers on Miller since his return. With little surprise, this is what I found out.

    In Reggie's first 9 games back, that is upto & including the Christmas day game against the Pistons.

    Reggie played 326 total minutes for an average of 36.2 mpg

    He was a combined 63-131 (.480) from the field. Taking an average of 14.5 attempts per game. That breaks down to 1 shot every 2:29.

    In the next 7 games, including the game against the Suns.

    Reggie has played 223 total minutes for an average of 31.8 mpg.

    He is a combined 27-61 (.442) from the field. Taking an average of 8.7 attempts per game. That breaks down to 1 shot every 3:39

    First 9 games: ------------------ Last 7 games:

    36.2 mpg ----------------------- 31.8 mpg

    .480 fg% ----------------------- .442 fg%

    14.5 attempts per game --------- 8.7 attempts per game

    1 shot every 2:29 --------------- 1 shot every 3:39

    With out a SF that can take over a game & is willing to step up, we need a SG to do that. Once again Reggie has stepped aside & showed that he no longer is willing or able to do that.

    Reggie, if you gonna play with the word Indiana across your chest, you have to go out there & help this team win.

    You have to stop waiting for others to do it.

    You keep playing & putting up numbers like you have the past 7 games, we will continue to loose.

    Foster & Harrison can't be expected to carry us.

    Curry has never been that type player.

    Tinsley can but the team is better when he thinks pass first & looks for his shot only as a second option.

    That leaves you.

    Only you!

    Until Jackson returns & gets into game shape, you are it.

    Even then we will need your help to take pressure off Jermaine, Foster & Harrison down low.

    You want an example why.

    Against the Spurs you were 3-7 in 37 minutes. That left O'Neal to face double teams most of the night & he was only 12-30 for .400. That is more than 7% off his season average.

    You want us to win?

    You want a shot at a ring?

    Shoot the damn ball!

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    I agree. Nice breakdown of the stats, too.

    But it's "Effect." Sorry.

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    Man.. you are reading my mind.. i was just to post exactly the same Topic.. haha... and YES i 100% agree with you... whata hell is wrong with Reggie?? dont tell me he is Old and yack yack yack... BS! I just realised that after Jermaine Oneal came back in the Games (last 4 games) they have almost Lost every game and Reggie shot only 6 Attempts per game and scored like 8 Points per game... before Jermaine Oneal came in.. he had like over 20 PPG and shot 41% from 3PT Line... on 15 Shots per game... and NOW??? HE JUST DONT WANT TO SHOOT THE GOD DAMN BALL??? WHATS WRONG WITH HIM??? WHYYYY WHY???? IS HE TO LAZY? DOES HE MAYBE THINK THAT JERMAINE IS BACK AND HE DONT HAVE TO GIVE ANY EFFORT.. BECAUSE OF HIM??? I DONT KNOW!?! WHATS GOING ON REGGIE!?!?!? WHY NOT JUST SHOOT 5 MORE SHOTS?? IS IT THAT HARD??? REALLY??? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO END YOUR CAREER THIS WAY??? THINK ABOUT IT!!

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    I agree. Nice breakdown of the stats, too.

    But it's "Effect." Sorry.
    Don't be.

    I have never ever been able to tell them apart.



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    I go back to an interview I saw with Reggie all the way back in 94 when he talked about how he was convinced by Larry Brown that the only way to win was by working inside out.

    I think Reggie took that to heart, a little to much.

    From watching him play early on this season I am convinced that it is not because he can't do it anymore. I think he is convinced that he should throw it to Jermaine every time & only if J.O. throws it out to him for a three should he be involved in the offense.

    Reggie has got to get into the game. He is making it harder on Jermaine because teams are now doubling & tripling off of him.

    If Reggie were an option all game every game they could never ever leave him to guard Jermaine.

    Reggie has never been a defensive stopper, but he can hold his own. But he has got to make his man work on offense other than just chasing him around screens.

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    Answer? Because Reggie can't bring it every night. And he can't average 30+ minutes.

    He's old.

    1995 was 10 years ago.

    The end.

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    Answer? Because Reggie can't bring it every night. And he can't average 30+ minutes.

    He's old.

    1995 was 10 years ago.

    The end.
    I knew somebody would say "he is old" ... is has nothing to do why he take sonly 6 shots per game!! Didnt you see how many shots he took before Jermaine Oneal came back?? he Took 15 shots per game EVERY SINGLE GAME!! And he averaged 20-30 PPG in 7 games... just exactly when Jermaine came back... he shot only 6 shots per game in last 4 Games with Jermaine.. understand? This Proofs that REGGIE CAN SCORE IF HE WANTS TO!!! And It proofs that he Doesnt Score because he dont want to!... the question is WHY.. we dont need to you defend him and talking about his age... the only answer we need is WHY... Why take only 5 shots per game when he did 15-20 shots per game in 7 games before Jermaine came back.. whats the deal??

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    It is time for Reggie to be our 6th man assassin. The starting five we are putting on the floor now isn't effective and doesn't scare any team. Peck is right in that we should have 5 guys on the floor that are a threat to score. Phoenix sure as hell did tonight.

    If Reggie isn't going to be aggressive, then he needs to be on the bench. Fred Jones needs to be aggressive, even when Jermaine is on the court. I don't understand why we looked better before JO came back....what is up with that?

    We were better defensively and offensively with Gill and Jones than we are now with Reggie and AJ.

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    I knew somebody would say "he is old" ... is has nothing to do why he take sonly 6 shots per game!! Didnt you see how many shots he took before Jermaine Oneal came back?? he Took 15 shots per game EVERY SINGLE GAME!! And he averaged 20-30 PPG in 7 games... just exactly when Jermaine came back... he shot only 6 shots per game in last 4 Games with Jermaine.. understand? This Proofs that REGGIE CAN SCORE IF HE WANTS TO!!! And It proofs that he Doesnt Score because he dont want to!... the question is WHY.. we dont need to you defend him and talking about his age... the only answer we need is WHY... Why take only 5 shots per game when he did 15-20 shots per game in 7 games before Jermaine came back.. whats the deal??
    Because:

    He's not the best player on the team
    He's not the most efficient player on the team (any more)
    He can't create his own shot anymore
    He's tenative, because he isn't the player he was 5 years ago, and he knows it.


    Look, Reggie can go big in bursts, and I agree, he should shoot at least one shot for every 5 minutes on the floor. But he's TOO OLD to be running circles around defenders for 35 minutes per game, 82 games per season, taking 20+ shots per game. The sooner you figure that out, and take down your Reggie shrine, the better off you'll be. The days of Reggie averaging 20 for a season are OVER. His sweet spot as a player now should be 4-6 shooting in 24 minutes per game. The problem is that he has to play 30+ minutes per game due to us being shorthanded, and he can't shoot 12-20 shots a game every game and still keep his legs under him. He used JO so that he doesn't have to take as many shots, so the shots he does take will be more accurate, due to having relatively fresh 39 year old legs.

    The other problem is, when Reggie isn't doing well offensively, which happens much more frequently since he is older, he brings nothing to the game. His defense is mediocre at best as a SG, and is abysmal when he plays SF. He's not a strong rebounder. He passes well, but not any better than Fred Jones. And if he's not stroking it well in the first 5 minutes, teams will sag off of him to double other guys, because unlike Fred Jones, he's not going to beat you with his quickness and athleticism.

    You can point to the fact that Reggie scored more before JO got back, but that's because someone HAD to score, and it sure wasn't going to be Eddie Gill, James Jones, and David Harrison. So, Reggie shot, and shot, and shot, knowing that he wouldn't have to keep it up for long, also knowing that he couldn't keep that pace up for long.

    He's not done to the point you need to stick a fork in him, but he cannot be effective over the course of a season if he has to play more than 25 MPG and take more than 10 shots in a game.

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    First of all... Reggie IS the most efficient scorer on the team, the same way he has been for nearly every single year he has been in a Pacer uniform. Eindar... points per field goal attempt, check it out.

    Peck stated very clearly what I think the problem is. Reggie has bought into an inside-out game and defers for that reason. I think it is a poor decision, but never the less one that we have seen in effect to an extreme for 4-1/2 seasons.

    I don't really know whether it's Reggie's decision or one that is either mandated or at least reinforced by his coaches (first Thomas and now Carlisle).

    But the trends speak for themselves. Pre-JO's return and post-jo's return, the differences are like night and day. A very viable offensive player early on and a struggling, even apprehensive, offensive player lately.

    The only other thing that I have noted, and I haven't even checked it out statistics wise, is that Tinsley seems to be taking more shots and looking to penetrate one-on-one a more than he did earlier in the season. With an increase in Tinsley's number of shots and JO's return, it would follow that there aren't as many shots to go around. But a drop of 14+ to less than 7 shots a game for Reggie is nuts.

    Obviously points are still hard to come by for Pacers, so it would seem that any player capable of producing points would be encouraged by both teammates and coaching staff to produce.

    I still think that what is necessary is for the offense to look to get Reggie the ball in certain positions and at certain stages in the game and that Reggie be told that he will either shoot or sit.

    If the coaching staff is the problem, then I think the players should blast them. You don't underutilize a player that is delivering 1.5 points, on average, everytime he shoots the ball. If anything, under present circumstances, you find ways to get him even more shots.

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    (1) Reggie needs to use the floater 4-to-6 times per game, even if that means fewer 3pt-FGAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Slaughter
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    Don't be.

    I have never ever been able to tell them apart.


    When I don't know the difference between effect and affect, I cheat: Does the word "impact" fit in my sentence? I don't think I've ever gotten that one wrong.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay@Section204
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    (1) Reggie needs to use the floater 4-to-6 times per game, even if that means fewer 3pt-FGAs.

    (2)

    When I don't know the difference between effect and affect, I cheat: Does the word "impact" fit in my sentence? I don't think I've ever gotten that one wrong.
    Thanks! Empact, I'll have to remember that.

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