"They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos
"Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus
"Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire
"Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider
Granger showed the Pacers loyalty. Return the favor. Period.
If he decides he'd like more money elsewhere, where the Pacers just can't afford him. Fine. But let him make that decision. It's just the right thing to do.
You're taking this loyalty thing way too far.
And like Pacers4ever said I'm glad you are not the GM doing business with your heart is not good business.
There is certainly a business reason for reducing salary, so sadly Granger might have to go.
But trade him to reduce the risk of Granger being a cancer in he locker room? That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen posted here on the forum. Or, did you simply not watch games and follow the team during the past season?
I think what I've found so far with Bird is that you can take him for his word. I think I'll stick with him on that unless he proves otherwise. He said he's not trading Danny and wants to keep this core together. It's the right thing to do and the best basketball move to make considering what a healthy Danny Granger brings to this team versus what his trade value is right now.
I doubt that he's being shopped by the team but with his absence while the team is succeeding Granger's risk of being traded is the highest this year. But I hope he's not traded simply because I think he can still contribute and this coming season is one of the best chances to win a championship.
And in terms of loyalty and business, I think there's a double standard here. If he's a superstar fans want him to be loyal and they'll diss him when he leaves or tries to but when he's just an average to above-average player fans either don't care if he's gone because of business perspective or they'll be the ones pushing him to be gone even if he's loyal and truly loves to play for the team. Not really favoring one side but let's just be consistent with our stand. If at some point one of our young stars decided to leave or ask a trade and join other teams, I hope I won't hear those "less emotionally attached" guys to bash them for having "no loyalty" to the franchise, because players too think of their profession and business, not just franchises and fans.
I'm tempted to sticky this thread for use later this year or better yet next year.
I'm not even mad or upset because all I'm doing is sitting back watching some of you twist in the wind getting all hopeful that Danny will be a Timberwolf, Pelican, Bobcat or whatever other team.
From the Danny fan club perspective when Bird came back this became an almost no lose situation for us. Why? Simple even we will admit that right now he has little to no trade value and the team is not going to take back salary, even young talented salary knowing that they have to pay Paul & Lance soon. So they aren't going to move him now.
But what about if he plays well enough to be moved by the trade deadline, you might ask. The only chance this happens at all is as follows, if Danny is doing well but the team is struggling. That's it, that's your only hope and frankly if your hoping for that then I question your loyalty to the Pacers. But conversely if he plays well enough to be traded and the team is doing well, he won't be traded. They are not going to break up a good thing.
If for whatever reason he is unhealthy again this year I would not put it past Danny to retire. But even if he doesn't the team will ride out his expiring contract.
Danny Granger will be a Pacer for the 2013-14 season.
So whether you like or whether you don't like it, learn to love it because its the best thing going today.
Last edited by vnzla81; 07-03-2013 at 12:23 AM.
Also what I love the most is, even though you hate it, you know I'm right. Danny is here one more year and in that year all that I want out of life (well other than a Pacers title) is for him to score 252 points and pass Jermaine O'Neal on the all time scoring leader board for the Pacers. If things work out right he should end up 3rd all time this year and sadly (for me anyway) that is where it will end, but hey that's still pretty good company.
By the way I'm starting to question the loyalty of some around here hoping that the Pacers keep a player that is making 14mil and don't do anything to move him just because they love and have a mancrush on this player, they rather see the Pacers fail and watch this player on the bench than to use that money in something that could help the Pacers win a championship.
Shame on some of you that hope the Pacers retain him even if he is sitting on the bench.
But Granger has taken less and less shots each year with Vogel. He has said that this is Paul George's team now.
I didn't heard Wells podcast but everything that I've read so far indicates that he has no problem being the second / third fiddle.
That's what I want to happen with Granger as well. Win a championship first and trade him later
Danny is unmovable until he returns from injury. No team is going to give out assets for a player that is a current question mark.
So, moving now would be an extremely stupid basketball decision because it would guarantee that we would be getting low-balled.
We need to wait until Granger returns from injury and shows that he's capable of being at least 80% of the player that he was.
If he does that then he also happens to be the perfect fit for our team since what our team lacked this season was Danny's specialty, 3 point shooting.
At this point, it's probably stupid on my part to try to reason with you regarding Granger but seriously. Do you not see that a healthy Danny would be amazing for this team as it would guarantee us scoring off the bench? Are you blind? Is your hate for Danny so big that you won't be happy if win a title just because Danny will be there as well?
I mean, seriously..