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2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

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  • #91
    Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

    Hey P4E, if you get a chance, catch the Kansas-New Mexico game on Saturday. Be curious to get an objective opinion on the Lobos. Tough one for us, a neutral-court game in Kansas City , but I think we'll at least show up.

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    • #92
      Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

      Originally posted by jdw View Post
      Hey P4E, if you get a chance, catch the Kansas-New Mexico game on Saturday. Be curious to get an objective opinion on the Lobos. Tough one for us, a neutral-court game in Kansas City , but I think we'll at least show up.
      I have watched the LOBOS plenty (well not plenty the Cinny game and the Umass game)already this year. I love their two bigs, the Aussie Barstow(sp?) has taken another step up and like I have stated Kirk is one of my favorite college centers. I don't think Kirk is really a legit NBA prospect. Barstow intrigues me a bit very skilled and plays hard. His size worries me, but I will watch him more and it is still early(I had him as a non prospect last year, but he looks so much better have to reconsider). I think Kendall Williams has a chance hell of a college guard. He impressed me with his maturity vs Cincy he kept feeding the bigs and let the game come to him. He is a guy I like in the Pacers offense. He is one of my favorite guys for the Pacers, I bet he goes 2nd rd as well. I watched their game the other day and that place was rocking. I was surprised on how loud that place gets the Cinncy game was awesome. I loved the battle of bigs. I really like that Jackson kid at Cinncy.


      EDIT: I actually like the Lobos chances vs KU. they have the guards and bigs to compete with KU. I wouldn't be surprised if they win. (I have that game DVRed as well) Ellis vs Barstow will be worth the price of admission.
      Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-09-2013, 09:18 PM.

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      • #93
        Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        I watched their game the other day and that place was rocking. I was surprised on how loud that place gets the Cinncy game was awesome.
        Lol, the Pit is basically a hole in the ground with a metal roof, sound doesn't have anywhere to escape. That said, the Lobo fanbase is pretty sophisticated and knows when to bring it. One of the reasons I have come to be a fan of the Pacers (besides Danny and Mel Daniels) is that same level of appreciation by the fans at BLF. Great, great venue.

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        • #94
          Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

          Originally posted by jdw View Post
          Lol, the Pit is basically a hole in the ground with a metal roof, sound doesn't have anywhere to escape. That said, the Lobo fanbase is pretty sophisticated and knows when to bring it. One of the reasons I have come to be a fan of the Pacers (besides Danny and Mel Daniels) is that same level of appreciation by the fans at BLF. Great, great venue.
          Yes, college has so many great venues makes it special.


          I liked the LOBOs vs KU before this game, but this just confirmed my thoughts on KU. Their pgs could be the death of them. Billy Donvon is a hell of a coach would hate to play that team at full health. Prather is now a legit NBA prospect never seen a guy go from a fringe rotation player to best player on the team the next year quite like Prather has. The dude is a senior and breaking out. He has a great body for the league as well interesting prospect. Veteran teams like New Mexico have a huge advantage early in the year over young teams. I still think they turn it around before the tournament but I don't like their pgs.

          That is the reason I said I have watched the LOBOs plenty. I watched almost the same players play last year for NM they are just a lot better (individually) and missing Snell.
          Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-11-2013, 12:38 AM.

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          • #95
            Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

            Also before I forget Chaz Williams is making me a believer. I wanted to wait until I watched enough of him to comment(I have watched 4 games of his where I was focused on him. I really like to watch 8-10 before commeting on a guy). This kid is an NBA player no doubt. He has great vision and at just 5'8( that might be nice ) it is pretty crazy. He is going to be a dynamic NBA player.

            My only concern with him is his shooting motion. It is pretty low IMO, but he is quick enough I think it will translate to the next level. I love his swagger you can tell he is from Brooklyn has some Lance in him great energy.
            Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-11-2013, 12:57 AM.

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            • #96
              Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

              Watching Xavier vs Evansville right now. It is funny watching Xavier do this ear rick. I have went to 3 Xavier practices and they worked on it every time. The inbounder taps his ear and they just throw it to the guy and the defender has his back turned. It is hilious how often that works. I don't understand how the defender loses track of the ball just bad fudaments. You have to see both.


              Xavier is in trouble though. These new rules kill them. They foul too damn much. Evansville's motion torched Xavier for most of the game. Was a beautiful display of ball by Evansville.


              Xavier is on a huge run. I am guessing they win, but Evansville is a solid program.


              EDIT: Wow what a game, great ending. Xavier finally started to move the rock and it payed off with good execution late.
              Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-11-2013, 04:05 AM.

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              • #97
                Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                http://nbadraft.net/players/jordan-bachynski

                How about Bachynski in the second round as a development player for the Pacers.
                Great stats in blocks and field goal percentage. Sounds like a hard worker as evidenced by his dramatic improvement each year. I would like to see another 6'8" to 6'9" topflight defender on the Pacers. Just to continue to make life difficult for other teams against the Pacers
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                • #98
                  Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                  Originally posted by owl View Post
                  http://nbadraft.net/players/jordan-bachynski

                  How about Bachynski in the second round as a development player for the Pacers.
                  Great stats in blocks and field goal percentage. Sounds like a hard worker as evidenced by his dramatic improvement each year. I would like to see another 6'8" to 6'9" topflight defender on the Pacers. Just to continue to make life difficult for other teams against the Pacers
                  I left him off my list of top flight Cs, not sure if he gets drafted, no doubt he will at least be in SL can't teach 7'3(he looks like he has a 7'6 wingspan kid has giant long arms). He is almost 25 one of those kids who started college really late. He is one of those guys who frustrate you. He looks like he should be so much better. Prime example when they played Creighton this year. He is so much bigger than the Creighton front line yet they held him at bay, and took advantage of him being in the game. Getting 2 rebounds in a big time game vs a small front line just doesn't sit well with me. They also took advantage of his matchup. With that said he has been much more consistent this year and that bodes well for him. in the draft.

                  I also don't like his defense for the NBA.( I know that sounds crazy he blocks everything). I just believe the way the league is going the big guys who don't have elite foot speed will struggle at the next level( the NBA is a PnR game). McDermont ate him for lunch all game when they matched up. But what do I know lol I said the same thing about Roy and now he has terrific foot speed, and is terrific as a one man zone for the Pacers. I just don't know what to make of him. But late 2nd rd he wouldn't be a bad pick at all. Would be good for 6 fouls, not sure how much upsize he has left almost 25.

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                  • #99
                    Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                    Glad to hear scouts believe Ron Baker could be a 1st rd pick. He is one of my favorite players in the nation. The Shockers are a better team this year, I would encourage everybody to watch their game tomorrow at 2 on ESPN2.


                    Also I really like how Cauley Stein is playing this year, he looks so much better. His BBALLIQ is vastly improved. His hair selection? Not so much.
                    Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-13-2013, 04:21 PM.

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                    • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                      Umass has NBA length at every position. I really didn't watch Umass last year (watched a few NIT games where i found Chaz Willams and decided I would watch him this year every game I can) so I need to see more, but I love their team. Cady Lalanne is a name to keep an eye on. NBA body and defiantly an NBA athlete. Would be a nice 3rd C/ project big in the Pacers system. Funny how that works you watch a team because of one player and discover players you like more lol. Umsss is one of the best teams I have watched this year. I can't get enough of their games.


                      Watched Wright closely Saturday. I was impressed with his defense committed on that end. I need to watch some more tape before I comment much further. he is on my radar though for sure. I can't wait to see how he plays in conference play. I really wabt to see how he plays vs Zona Utah is a pretty good team. They might be able to steal one from Zona.
                      Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-17-2013, 04:30 AM.

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                      • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                        P4E.....so whose on your list of Bigs, Wing Players and PGs that may drop to the 2nd round so far?
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                        • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          P4E.....so whose on your list of Bigs, Wing Players and PGs that may drop to the 2nd round so far?
                          Way way to early for anyone to know that. So much season left and who knows who will come out.

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                          • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            Way way to early for anyone to know that. So much season left and who knows who will come out.
                            Even so with one of the last picks in the draft it is pretty hard to say... one thing that may be interesting is that there is a chance we grab a foreign guy and stash him overseas... and just sign some vet backup if need be.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                              Way way to early for anyone to know that. So much season left and who knows who will come out.
                              I am sure of that....I assume that you have a list of Players that you are keeping an eye on that really catches your attention that you will be keeping track of. As mentioned before....I'm really interested in any 2nd round Big Man prospects that may fit our style and could fall to the 2nd round.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 12-17-2013, 02:24 PM.
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                              • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                                Going back through tape of this weekend right now. **** Joel Embiid made my prediction of Nex Mexico winning look silly. He man handled the front line of New Mexico. The foot work he displayed on Saturday is better than any big in the NBA(of his size) it was David West esq. He even did a Dream Shake that left me rewinding the game at least five times. So Crazy that guy has only been playing for 3 years.


                                Also I may have short changed my projection for Marcus Smart last year. I projected he would be a a all star a time or two. The way he has vastly improved in just one year is really good. Add in his intangibles the kid is going to be a great one for a long time at the next level.
                                Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-17-2013, 05:19 PM.

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