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Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

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  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

    Originally posted by tadscout View Post
    Whoever drafts Giannis Adetokunbo will be picking him to come to the NBA right away, teams tell me. He has no interest in being stashed.
    he's dropping fast

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    • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

      Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
      http://www.indycornrows.com/2013/6/2...ct-the-outcome

      Evan Sidery's mock draft from Indy cornrows, ik a lot of people don't trust him though, but he says the Acers have a 'top 5' list of prospects who they want to fall so they don't trade their pick, those prospects are Kelly Olynyk, Shane Larkin, Dennis Schroeder, Isaiah Canaan, and Giannis Adetokunbo

      I want nothing to do with Olynyk, Larkin, and I'm not interested in Schroeder or Giannis A. Personally, I hope this is smoke and mirrors from the FO.

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      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

        Oklahoma City is exploring drafting and stashing a European prospect at 12, but none of Schroeder, Karasev or Adetokunbo are interested.
        "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

          NBAdraft.net has Indiana taking Mason Plumlee
          Draftexpress.com has Indiana taking Isaiah Canaan which is a little better.

          "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
            If we end up with Olynyk that will be the second year in a row we have wasted a draft pick on someone that will not help us at all next season.

            Me personally, I would be probably even more disappointed than I was with the Plumlee pick because there seems to be better fits for our roster that is in dire need of cheap help off the bench in the mold of rookie contracts.

            I hope this guy is wrong. The fact that he's called Bennett a SF, and said Gobert is a freak athletically, kinda gives me hope that he doesn't know much

            I couldn't agree more!

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            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

              anyone got ford's latest mock to post in here that has insider? it's up to 7.0 now

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              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                Originally posted by Jackson-Shuffle View Post

                Orlando GM is looking to buy out the contracts of Turkoglu and Al Harrington.....anyone interested in bringing Harrington back as the backup PF?

                Not a believer in 3rd time is a charm. I didn't want him the 2nd time, and he only lasted as a half season rental. PASS BIG TIME!

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                • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                  Today he has Pacers taking Dennis Schroeder

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                  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                    Originally posted by TheDon View Post

                    anyone got ford's latest mock to post in here that has insider? it's up to 7.0 now

                    Yes, PLEASE post it! Thank you in advance for your help and cooperation.

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                    • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                      I'd be annoyed with Olynyk, as a one-dimensional (offensive) player with limited upside.

                      It wouldn't sink to the level of angst I felt on the Miles though, a zero-dimensional player (at least in college) with no upside whatsoever, to my eyes. (I'd like to be proven wrong on Miles though.)
                      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                        Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                        Today he has Pacers taking Dennis Schroeder
                        I will be doing backflips out of kilroys downtown if that happens. As a matter of fact, I might just run over to bankers life and leave a personal thank you note to kevin pritchard haha

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                        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                          Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/prin...488&type=story

                          Chad Forde Mock Draft 7.0


                          Happy draft day. This year I think the NBA has something really crazy in store for all of us.

                          In the 11 years I've been doing this, this is the most unpredictable draft I've ever seen.

                          Like every year, as of midnight a number of teams reported they still were debating between three or four prospects on their board. Agents and players are wringing their hands right now. No one knows who's going where.

                          So the draft should be fun. And the mock draft? It's hard to pinpoint who teams will take when they haven't decided yet, but we're going to try. And then try again a little later in the day. And they try again right before the draft.

                          In other words, check back often during the day for versions 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 as we continue to collect information on who will go where.

                          After talking to numerous NBA team sources, here's our best stab at how the draft will play out Thursday night.

                          MORE DRAFT CONTENT:

                          NBA Draft Machine | Ford's Top 100 | Second Round

                          1Nerlens NoelCleveland Cavaliers
                          COLLEGE: KentuckyAGE: 19HT: 7-0WT: 219POS: C
                          Analysis: Noel has been my top pick in every mock from 1.0 to 7.0. The Cavs, however, have yet to tip their hand. Various theories about Cleveland's attachment to Noel, Alex Len, Anthony Bennett, Ben McLemore, Otto Porter and Victor Oladipo abound.

                          Here's what I know as of midnight Wednesday evening.

                          The Cavs' top option is to trade the No. 1 overall pick for a combination of a veteran plus a 2014 first-round pick. If they can pull that off, they'll move the pick. If they can't, they'll keep attempting to move whoever they draft until all their options have been exercised.

                          And if they keep the pick? General manager Chris Grant has been a Nerlens Noel guy all year. Other people in the front office are pushing for Len. I even heard, somewhat convincingly, that owner Dan Gilbert loves Oladipo!

                          With a split front office, the final decision comes to Grant. I think he's a Noel guy … but we'll all find out whether I'm reading the tea leaves correctly around 7:35 p.m.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          2Victor OladipoOrlando Magic
                          COLLEGE: IndianaAGE: 21HT: 6-4WT: 213POS: SG

                          Analysis: I continue to hear that if the Cavs pass on Noel, the Magic are leaning strongly toward selecting Noel with the No. 2 pick in the draft.

                          If Noel is off the board? Things get a little tougher. Some favor Oladipo. Others McLemore. While McLemore is a stronger offensive player, Oladipo's defense and his crazy motor hold a strong appeal for the Magic. Culture matters in Orlando and I think Oladipo trumps McLemore by an edge.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          3Otto PorterWashington Wizards
                          COLLEGE: GeorgetownAGE: 20HT: 6-9WT: 198POS: SF
                          Analysis: The constant that was Otto Porter has become less constant as several reports claim the Wizards now favor Anthony Bennett. I've heard both from inside the Wizards. Clearly, like most front offices in the league right now, there are two different factions. I continue to hear that Porter is the safer pick and better fits the team's culture and they will lean that way.

                          PLAYER CARD

                          4Ben McLemoreCharlotte Bobcats
                          COLLEGE: KansasAGE: 20HT: 6-5WT: 189POS: SG

                          Analysis: Some information is starting to trickle out of Charlotte. The team is looking at Len, Bennett, Porter and Cody Zeller. In fact, I think Zeller might be in the mix more than I once believed. But my most convincing source persuaded me the Bobcats won't pass on McLemore if he's here.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          5Alex LenPhoenix Suns
                          COLLEGE: MarylandAGE: 20HT: 7-1WT: 225POS: C
                          Analysis: The Suns' primary need is a scoring wing, but if Oladipo and McLemore are off the board, don't be surprised if the Suns grab Len here. New general manager Ryan McDonough is a fan of Len's, and with Marcin Gortat heading into the last year of his deal, Len quite literally could become the centerpiece of the franchise. Michael Carter-Williams and Zeller also are real possibilities here.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          6Michael Carter-WilliamsNew Orleans Pelicans
                          COLLEGE: SyracuseAGE: 21HT: 6-6WT: 184POS: PG

                          Analysis: The Pelicans might be tempted by Bennett, but they have a bigger need at point guard. While they like Austin Rivers, Carter-Williams is more of the pure point guard they think could be the perfect set-up man for Anthony Davis. Trey Burke is an option here as is C.J. McCollum, but it looks like Carter-Williams might be the best fit.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          7C.J. McCollumSacramento Kings
                          COLLEGE: LehighAGE: 21HT: 6-3WT: 197POS: PG

                          Analysis: The Kings are engaged in trade talks with a number of teams, and they might move this pick. If they keep it, McCollum makes sense. The team wants a point guard who can shoot the ball. That was supposed to be Jimmer Fredette two years ago, but it looks like the team might be moving on. I also wouldn't be surprised if Utah moved up to No. 7 to land McCollum.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          8Anthony BennettDetroit Pistons
                          COLLEGE: UNLVAGE: 20HT: 6-8WT: 240POS: PF

                          Analysis: For a third year in a row, the Pistons are hoping that one of the top seven players on the board takes a surprise dip on draft night. They might get their wish. While the team is after a point guard, Bennett might be too good to pass up. He can play both the 4 and the 3 and gives them another great scoring option in their frontcourt. Carter-Williams would be another serious option here.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          9Kentavious Caldwell-PopeMinnesota Timberwolves
                          COLLEGE: GeorgiaAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 204POS: SG

                          Analysis: Of all the picks in this mock draft, this is the one I'm most sure of. We've had Caldwell-Pope here for over a month and we're not moving him unless Minnesota trades up to No. 2, 4 or 5 to land Oladipo.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          10Steven AdamsPortland Trail Blazers
                          COLLEGE: PittsburghAGE: 19HT: 7-0WT: 255POS: C

                          Analysis: The Blazers are hoping McCollum or Caldwell-Pope are on the board. But if they aren't? It will come down to Trey Burke, Steven Adams and Cody Zeller. It's a tough three-way race, but I give the edge to Adams. Given his size, Burke might struggle to play in the same backcourt as Damian Lillard. On the surface Adams might look a lot like last year's pick Meyers Leonard, but the Blazers could use more bigs, and Adams wowed them in workouts.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          11Cody ZellerPhiladelphia 76ers
                          COLLEGE: IndianaAGE: 20HT: 7-0WT: 230POS: C

                          Analysis: Zeller is getting a lot of buzz now with the Bobcats, Suns and Blazers. We've had him here in every mock draft, and this is the first time I feel like he won't be there. If the Bobcats or Suns swap picks with the T-Wolves, Zeller could be their guy. I'm told Sergey Karasev, Kelly Olynyk and Mason Plumlee are options here, but probably only if Zeller is off the board.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          12Trey BurkeOklahoma City Thunder via Toronto Raptors
                          COLLEGE: MichiganAGE: 20HT: 6-1WT: 187POS: PG

                          Analysis: The Thunder have a lot of interest in Steven Adams, but in this scenario, he's gone. Sergey Karasev and Kelly Olynyk are other possibilities, but if Burke is here, he might be tough to pass on. With Russell Westbrook coming back from injury, Burke would give them a game-ready point guard who could play right away. This is a situation where the team simply can't pass on the talent.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          13Sergey KarasevDallas Mavericks
                          COUNTRY: RussiaAGE: 19HT: 6-7WT: 197POS: SF
                          Analysis: The Mavericks continue to lean heavily toward trading the pick (if they haven't already). According to various reports, one scenario floating around has them swapping picks with the Cavs. If that happens, it's almost certainly to be for Karasev. There are several other teams who are after Karasev, including the Bucks, Hawks and Nets, and they could be great trade partners. If the Mavericks keep the pick, Michael Carter-Williams and Dennis Schroeder also would be possibilities here.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          14Lucas NogueiraUtah Jazz
                          COUNTRY: BrazilAGE: 20HT: 7-0WT: 220POS: C
                          Analysis: Not much has changed here since the last mock. If C.J. McCollum, Trey Burke or Michael Carter-Williams (probably in that order) are on the board, the Jazz go point guard. If they're gone? The team isn't in love with any of the point guards left. They also need bigs (both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap are free agents this summer) and it looks as if they're open to using the draft to help address that need. Nogueira isn't the only guy they'll look at here. Kelly Olynyk and Mason Plumlee also have a shot. But I think Nogueira is the most intriguing of the group.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          15Shane LarkinMilwaukee Bucks
                          COLLEGE: MiamiAGE: 20HT: 6-0WT: 171POS: PG
                          Analysis: If the draft plays out this way, the Bucks are looking at three names -- Larkin, Dennis Schroeder or Glen Rice Jr., who came in for a second workout Tuesday. It's hard to say which way the Bucks are leaning, but it looks like Larkin has the slight edge.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          16Kelly OlynykBoston Celtics
                          COLLEGE: GonzagaAGE: 22HT: 7-0WT: 234POS: PF

                          Analysis: The Celtics are in full rebuilding mode, but I'm not sure how that affects the draft. I keep hearing four names: Adams, Dennis Schroeder, Larkin or Olynyk. Over the course of the past 24 hours, it seems like Olynyk is gaining momentum there. He's a very skilled big man who would add size and scoring to the Celtics' front line.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          17Giannis AntetokounmpoAtlanta Hawks via Houston Rockets
                          COUNTRY: GreeceAGE: 18HT: 6-9WT: 215POS: SF

                          Analysis: I continue to hear Antetokounmpo's name here. The Hawks can stash him overseas, let him develop, and in a few years he could be the steal of the draft. Or we'll all forget they drafted him. Either scenario probably works for Atlanta.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          18Shabazz MuhammadAtlanta Hawks
                          COLLEGE: UCLAAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 222POS: SF


                          Analysis: There's a point at which a player's reward outweighs the risk. I'm not sure where Muhammad's floor is, but it has to be pretty close. Yes, there are flaws in his game, but at some point you can't ignore his scoring abilities. The Hawks have been doing a lot of research on Muhammad the past few days. Plumlee, San Diego State's Jamaal Franklin and Michigan's Tim Hardaway Jr. also are possibilities.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          19Reggie BullockCleveland Cavaliers via Los Angeles Lakers
                          COLLEGE: North CarolinaAGE: 22HT: 6-7WT: 200POS: SF

                          Analysis: If the Cavs grab Noel at No. 1, look for them to add a small forward or shooter with the second first-round pick. They would love to get their hands on Karasev if they could; they are trying to move up to grab him. Moving to No. 13 seems to be the consensus of where they need to get to, and it looks as if they are willing to eat Shawn Marion's salary for a year to get there in a trade with Dallas. If they can't get to No. 13, Bullock is another shooter on whom they really are high. Bullock shot 44 percent from 3-point range this season and has the size to play both wing positions.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          20Mason PlumleeChicago Bulls
                          COLLEGE: DukeAGE: 23HT: 6-10WT: 238POS: PF

                          Analysis: Every mock draft, we alternate between a big and a wing for the Bulls. They need both. Plumlee is an interesting case. Lots of teams like him, few love him. But I think it would be hard for the Bulls to pass on Plumlee's value at No. 20. Tim Hardaway Jr. and Jamaal Franklin are other possibilities.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          21Isaiah CanaanUtah Jazz via Golden State Warriors
                          SCHOOL: Murray StateAGE: 22HT: 6-0WT: 188POS: PG

                          Analysis: If the Jazz pass on a point guard at No. 14, they have to be content with what's left at No. 21. This one might come down to Schroeder and Cannan. Schroeder is bigger, but Canaan is a much better scorer. It's really tough to pinpoint who they'd choose, but I think Canaan has the edge. Nogueira and France's Rudy Gobert also are potential picks here if the Jazz go with a point guard at No. 14.

                          PLAYER CARD
                          22Gorgui DiengBrooklyn Nets
                          COLLEGE: LouisvilleAGE: 23HT: 6-11WT: 230POS: C

                          Analysis: Dieng has slid in the draft thanks to concerns about his knees, but a number of teams in the 20s still seem willing to take the risk. With Minnesota in serious talks to swap this pick for the Nets' MarShon Brooks, I could see the Nets grabbing another big to fill out their front line.

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                          23Dennis SchroederIndiana Pacers
                          COUNTRY: GermanyAGE: 19HT: 6-2WT: 165POS: PG


                          Analysis: The Pacers are looking at point guards and bigs. If Schroeder falls, he seems like a no-brainer to the Pacers. He's long, young and athletic and can really get to the basket. He won't be ready to contribute for Indiana now, but in the long term, he could be their best pick here.

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                          24Jamaal FranklinNew York Knicks
                          COLLEGE: San Diego St.AGE: 22HT: 6-5WT: 191POS: SG

                          Analysis: Franklin is super-athletic and can play multiple positions. He's not a need pick per se. The Knicks could really use a power forward, but Franklin has more upside and adds a toughness that Knicks fans will love. Tony Mitchell also is a possibility here.

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                          25Tim Hardaway Jr.Los Angeles Clippers
                          COLLEGE: MichiganAGE: 21HT: 6-6WT: 199POS: SG

                          Analysis: The Clippers are going for it and are going to need all the help they can get. That might force them to take a veteran guard who can give them shooting and minutes. Hardaway is a coach's favorite, and I could see the Clippers thinking he'd make a great fit at No. 25.

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                          26Allen CrabbeMinnesota Timberwolves via Memphis Grizzlies
                          COLLEGE: CalAGE: 21HT: 6-6WT: 197POS: SG

                          Analysis: Minnesota wants shooting and they need help at the 2 and 3. I think they could grab another shooter, even if the take Caldwell-Pope at No. 9. Crabbe has the size to play the 3 and would add another target for Ricky Rubio. Rudy Gobert also is a possibility here.

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                          27Tony SnellDenver Nuggets
                          COLLEGE: New MexicoAGE: 21HT: 6-7WT: 198POS: SG

                          Analysis: The Nuggets are in danger of losing Andre Iguodalathis summer after he opted to become a free agent. What they really need is a shooter. Snell and Ricky Ledo are the best shooters left on the board.

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                          28Rudy GobertSan Antonio Spurs
                          COUNTRY: FranceAGE: 20HT: 7-2WT: 238POS: PF

                          Analysis: The Spurs need size and have never shied away from taking international players. What Gobert lacks in athletic ability, he makes up with extreme length for his position. The Spurs also can stash him overseas if they need the cash.

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                          29Ricky LedoOklahoma City Thunder
                          COLLEGE: ProvidenceAGE: 20HT: 6-6WT: 197POS: SG

                          Analysis: This might be a bit of a reach. But the Thunder have been looking for an elite shooting guard, and Ledo is as talented as several players in the lottery. He has lots of off-court issues, but the Thunder might try to rehabilitate him in their excellent D-League franchise.

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                          30Erick GreenPhoenix Suns via Miami Heat
                          SCHOOL: Virginia TechAGE: 22HT: 6-3WT: 178POS: PG

                          Analysis: Green was one of the best scorers in the country this season and some teams think he can make the transition to point guard in the pros. The Suns are down on last year's lottery pick Kendall Marshall. Green could provide some scoring punch to the backcourt.

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                          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                            Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                            I'd be annoyed with Olynyk, as a one-dimensional (offensive) player with limited upside.

                            It wouldn't sink to the level of angst I felt on the Miles though, a zero-dimensional player (at least in college) with no upside whatsoever, to my eyes. (I'd like to be proven wrong on Miles though.)
                            When Bird drafted Miles last year, I believe he thought he was drafting Mason.


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                            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                              I think Schroeder is a several years project tbh. His shot doesn't look so well, slow and inconsistent. And he turns it over a lot. I'm going to trust tbird and hope that one of his favorite older college players drop.

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                              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                                I hope we trade the pick for a veteran that we can use.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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