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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

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  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

    Originally posted by spreedom View Post
    And yet Serge Ibaka made the first team, despite the fact that defensively, Sanders does almost everything better. I don't put much stock into end-of-season awards. I'm happy when I see players I like on them, but I don't think they're indicative of who the best defensive players in the league are. The best defensive player in the league​ didn't even make the first team this year.
    And Ibaka should have made the first team over Sanders. As talented as Sanders is, he's not helping his team when he's get ejected 3 times in 10 days.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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      Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
      And Ibaka should have made the first team over Sanders. As talented as Sanders is, he's not helping his team when he's get ejected 3 times in 10 days.

      Wow, I definitely would not leave a guy off an All-NBA team over three ejections.

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      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

        Originally posted by spreedom View Post
        Wow, I definitely would not leave a guy off an All-NBA team over three ejections.
        Plus the other two ejections last season and the third most technical fouls in the league last season at 14... He hurts his team as much he contributes. He HAS to grow up and get his head straightened out.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

          Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 1h

          Former Celtic James Posey among the candidates to fill out Brad Stevens' staff in Boston, source told ESPN. Stevens likely to hire ex-player
          Retweeted by Chris Goff
          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
            Plus the other two ejections last season and the third most technical fouls in the league last season at 14... He hurts his team as much he contributes. He HAS to grow up and get his head straightened out.
            No offense, but is that a real argument that you're trying to make?

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            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

              Originally posted by spreedom View Post
              No offense, but is that a real argument that you're trying to make?
              Pretty clear he's not being sarcastic. So it's pretty obvious your comment will be offensive.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                It isn't that he roams, it's that he simply isn't a quality post defender. Greg Monroe routinely tears into Sanders like a pit bull. He doesn't hold his spot well and he goes for the shot block rather than trying to nudge his man off the spot. He gets backed down way too easily for a guy that's supposed to be a game-changing defender. I'm not comparing him to Deandre Jordan, I'm just saying his defense has more holes in it than it should for a guy that makes his living almost entirely on that side of the ball. He's cut down his foul rate as well, but it's still too high.
                His post defense is not that good at the moment because he is still rail thin. When he bulks up a bit his post D will be fine. I don't see any lack of fundamentals in his D. I just see lack of strength at the moment.

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                There's a reason Sanders leads the NBA in blocks, yet can't make either all-defensive team.
                You know that these all-defensive teams have a lot to do with popularity and hype. It's why Kobe was still being voted even though he has to play real help D in the last 5-6 years. Hibbert didn't make it either but he was a better defender than Chandler at least (both Noah and Marc were better than Chandler this year).
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013


                  Smothered Chicken!

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                  • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                    Lol, guys like Sanders are usually the ones that ARE on all nba d teams over guys that actually deserve it like Hibbert. He's just in Milwaukee and still early in his career.

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                    • Scott Agness in reply to me asking if the Pacers would add another player.

                      Expect at least one player to stick from their training camp roster.
                      Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                      • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                        Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                        Scott Agness in reply to me asking if the Pacers would add another player.
                        What Big Man is on the training Camp roster?
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                          Roys working out with Duncan again


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                          • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                            Roys working out with Duncan again

                            That is just awesome. There's no big man in the league that I'd rather see him workout with.

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                            • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                              (Chris) Paul and Paul (George)

                              They are the hoped-for usurpers, these Pauls. Two performers in wildly disparate climates that are attempting to unseat the old guard in either conference (Miami, San Antonio) while holding off two other franchises that were long expected to be the top contender to topple the champs in Oklahoma City and Chicago. Both Chris Paul and Paul George have championship-level rosters, heaps of potential, three first names between them … and most importantly, no more excuses.
                              For George, his upstart Pacers seemed like a “wait ‘til next year”-proposition up until the final buzzer on June 3rd, a buzzer that told him that Indiana, indeed, would not be making the Finals last season. Indiana admirably built on a strong second round showing against Miami in 2012 to give the eventual champs all they could handle in a seven-game series, but for the entire run the Pacers were playing with found money.

                              Because they had excuses. Not that this is what did Indiana in, and it’s not as if they used it as a crutch, but the Pacers’ crippling’ lack of bench depth was a glaring feature of a squad that needed to play a perfect game in order to down the two-time champs. And any time any significant percentage of the Pacer starting lineup had to sit, for whatever reason, the game shifted. It’s why the Atlanta Hawks, a team that knew it was seconds away from being broken up, gave the Pacers a go in the first round. It’s why Indiana was so worried about the prospects of a seventh game in New York against a flighty and underperforming Knicks team. It’s why they couldn’t seal the deal against Miami.
                              Now, thanks to Larry Bird, Indiana has a proper bench. And a third star, health-willing, in the returning Danny Granger. And an alpha dog, apparently, in Paul George. From the Indianapolis Star, on Friday:
                              George looks forward to Granger’s return, but he understands this is his team after leading the Pacers within one game of the NBA Finals.

                              “A lot comes with that,” George said. “This whole summer, I really trained being the go-to guy and the lead guy for our team. Last year, we still had Danny and did not know the results (of Granger’s injury) coming into the year. I had a role that I had kind of prepared for and trained for. This year, it was more about training to be the No. 1 guy and lead this team.”
                              This doesn’t just mean George’s voice is going to act as the clarion call in the locker room. This means George is going to have to take on LeBron James-type angles. Better ball-handling on isolation plays, go-to pet moves, and the ability to be the man when a play breaks down in ways that go beyond desperation three-pointers. Not that such heaves are George’s only weapon at this point, but his game still has a lot of rounding out to do.

                              Chris Paul has no such development days ahead. The man is 28, he’s in his prime, and the bugaboo that seemed to haunt him in years’ past (nagging injuries) seems to be behind him, as Paul has missed just 18 games over the last two seasons. Paul’s game remains the model of efficiency, and though he doesn’t put up gaudy box score stats like his Hall of Fame predecessors, CP3 routinely ranks at the top of several advanced metrics just because of his pound-for-pound greatness.

                              The Clippers have had their own “wait ‘til next year”-quibbles, though, because each and every second of the Vinny Del Negro era felt like a holding period for Los Angeles, like a trial run before the franchise got serious about things. Just as it was in Chicago, when Del Negro was coach, the simplistic play-calling and strange rotation choices kept Los Angeles an arm’s length away from the contenders, and though the players never used him as an excuse publicly, they gave off the impression of a team that was just twirling its thumbs.

                              Doc Rivers is in, now. And while Doc has his own detractors when it comes to offensive play-calling and rotation choices, the man does know how to coach a great defense. The Clippers are filled with bad defenders, so Rivers will be doing the best he can build upon last year’s eighth-ranked defense; while banking on Paul to crank up the team’s defense to a level beyond last year’s fourth-place showing.

                              It’s true that star forward Blake Griffin has to round off his game on both ends if the Clippers are to compete, and make it to the third round for the first time in franchise history, but Chris Paul remains the object that could send the Clippers to the Finals, or leave Billy Crystal with a Billy Crystal Sad Face.

                              One dodgy knee bend could cut 15 games from his 82-game routine, or leave him sort of playing out the string for three quarters in contests (as he sometimes does) in order to save himself for the pivotal fourth quarter and those series of #PointGod tweets. And though the Clippers’ depth, offensively at least, has improved as well; any dip in the MVP-level 26.4 Player Efficiency Rating for Paul from last year could cost the team wins, home court advantage, or the ability to have their Ubuntu-game on point by May.

                              This is Chris Paul we’re talking about. It ain’t likely to happen. Still, for all the good vibes and harsh focus on Griffin, it bears repeating that we’re still banking Clipper championship ambitions on Chris Paul having yet another legendary year, at 70-plus games, at the point guard position. Lots of work to do between now and May, y’know? And these things aren’t done on paper.

                              The Pacers and Clippers are loaded, though. And I’d be just fine in watching these two go at it in the final round, come June.
                              http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...182531235.html

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                              • Re: Off Season News, Rumors, and Trades, etc. 2013

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                That is just awesome. There's no big man in the league that I'd rather see him workout with.

                                Duncan is the perfect teacher for Roy. Could not agree more.
                                {o,o}
                                |)__)
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