I'm hearing both Scott Foster and Ken Mauer will re-sign with the Heat.
I'm hearing both Scott Foster and Ken Mauer will re-sign with the Heat.
"Sources say" Jarrett Jack wants 7 mil a year minimum
Erm that's quite some money. Is out there any 'top' team that has cap space? If not, he may find that money but will be stuck in a mediocre/bad team.
Not worth 7 mil a year.
I'd put Jack on par with George Hill, so if $8M is deemed fair for Hill, then $7M seems fair for Jack.
He obviously has a different opinion about his worth than you. He got paid 5.5 mil this past year, and with the season he had this past year 7 mil is not unreasonable. I said b4 he'd not be looking for MLE money as it's a decrease in pay.
I don't see anything there as saying how much better Roy would be in the Nets' system, just that Roy can obviously play in EITHER system while it is by no means obvious that Lopez can.
In all honesty, I find the Lopez side of the argument seems to be affected far more by the "He plays for a team NOT the Pacers, therefore he is better" than the Hibbert side of the argument is affected by the "He plays for the Pacers, therefore he is better" - other than the obvious point of which team got farther in the playoffs...
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
So Marcus Camby doesn't want to go back to Toronto, wants to end his career on a contender, so they're trying to flip him. I have no disillusions about Camby's corpse being a useful player at this point, but he's owed 4.3 mil this coming year and 4.1 the year after that, but the 2nd year is only guaranteed for 1 million. They have a ton of wings, but think we could flip Gerald Green for him?
Interesting, but at this point I don't think you pay another team to take Green. Seriously, if the table was turned would you want to trade for Green? In all honesty, if the Pacers truly had the opportunity to tade Green with the #23 pick for Jimmer, they should never have thought twice about doing the deal. Then if had to have S Hill, trade up in the 2nd round to get him. Green is an albatross with no end in sight.
Maybe when Colangelo was running the show, but I don't think Ujiri would take Gerald Green.
Oh come on guys!
The guy makes 3.5 million and you would think we were paying him Joe Johnson type money or if you want a better comparison Gerald Wallace.
He is a bad but his contract isn't a albatross.
Last edited by Gamble1; 07-02-2013 at 11:32 AM.
Lopez does score on a higher volume than Hibbert. I never claimed that he doesn't. But does scoring in a higher volume makes one player a better OFFENSIVE player?
Who can create his own shot the most? Who can create shots for others the most?
The answer in both of those questions is Hibbert. That's what the stats (basketball reference) prove.
Hibbert has lower usage throughout his career (22.5% versus 25%) but assists in a much higher rate (10.9% vs 8.5%). And as I noticed in my previous shots Hibbert creates his own baskets more often than Lopez. In other words, Hibbert does not need someone else to create his shots for him. He can do it himself.
We saw the value that a big that can create his own shot has against the New York Knicks. During the season, several posters wished that we had Tyson Chandler instead of Roy Hibbert because Tyson scored a lot more efficiently, pulled down double digit boards and played "equal" defense with Roy. I kept saying that Hibbert is way more valuable because he can create his own shot but most people didn't care and kept wishing for Chandler. Hey, I remember that I was arguing with you about it as well (although you didn't wish for Chandler per se)
What happened in the IND - NYK series? Tyson Chandler got exposed badly by Hibbert. Tyson averaged 6.2 PPG on 53.6% shooting and 6 RPG. Every starting Pacer except George Hill outrebounded him in the series. Tyson couldn't keep up with Hibbert offensively, defensively or on the boards.
Why did this happen? Because Chandler's scoring is entirely dependant on the rest of his team. He only scores at the rim after dump off passes or alley-oops or after offensive boards. He doesn't have any other scoring methods.
Brook Lopez is no Tyson Chandler, of course. He actually has offensive skills and can score away from the basket. But still, Lopez's scoring relies on the rest of his team a lot more than Hibbert's. As I said, during the playoffs Lopez was assisted in 70.7% of his baskets. Hibbert was assisted in 50% of his baskets. That's a huge difference, my friend. Being able to get off your own shot without relying on your teammates is a huge asset for a big. Hibbert has it. Most other bigs do not have it.
Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.
We aren't friends, Nuntius. I can't decide if you are purposefully obtuse or genuinely deluded with the dishonesty of your arguments and inability to maintain context, but I just don't value our exchanges anymore as I simply don't respect you or your opinions any longer. I'm going to put you on ignore.
I know the average BBIQ of this board has dropped a lot with the reduced contribitions from Count, JayRedd, Tbird, Chicago J, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but I can't believe such a simple statement as the offensively oriented all star center is a better offensive player than the defensively oriented one. I'm genuinely disheartened with the (lack of) quality on this board lately.
The assisted numbers remind me of the same argument that people had with liking Humphries over West. They simply didn't evaluate offensive system and the lil point of playing with an all star point guard.
I still think Brook Lopez would be a efficent player in a different system but he wouldn't be as efficient on the offensive end.
They aren't Pacers affecting what the Pacers can do where as Green is. Green's 3.5 mil hinders what you can do in re-signing players. That 3.5 mil could make a difference in being able to keep a player or what you can offer a player next year. There is nothing positive paying 3.5 mil for a towel waving end of the bench player who can't play worth a hoot.
I am not saying there is anything positive about it but its not like other well run teams haven't made similar mistakes. Think of another former Net (Richard Jefferson) and the Spurs.
My objection to all crying about Green is simply that its not as bad as you would have us believe. Is it good? I don't think you could find one poster to say that it was a good signing now but its not a major mistake (yet). It does have the potential to cost us Lance but I will wait another year to decide how bad it really was in the end. Sometimes you have to chalk on up as a bad fit which is what I am doing with Green.
Put him on a run and gun team and he wouldn't be as bad of a signing IMO.
on the Lopez-Hibbert debate, you also need to take into account that Lopez has Deron Williams creating shots for him, while Hibbert has George Hill creating shots for him, no offense to Hill, but defenses don't pay as much attention to Hill as they do Williams
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