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Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

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  • Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

    I'm trying to figure out if this is the greatest individual game from a player I've ever seen in person or not?

    I once Barkley drop 40 + and grab 20 all in the same game. I'm pretty sure I've seen the Admiral come close to that. Way way back in the day I saw Niqe go for 48.

    But I guess this is gonna have to be the best I've ever seen in person. It's to bad the fieldhouse was so empty for his performance.

    I know everybody is gonna talk up J.O.'s game (& he derseves it) so I guess I'll just leave it at this. I've probably seen 500+ NBA games live & in person & this has to go down as the greatest scoring game I've ever seen. I won't say it's the best played game I've ever seen because, through no fault of J.O.'s, the Bucks really are small upfront. I'll still keep Barkley as my best overall game because he did it vs. Dale, Tony, Rik, Derrick, Kenny & LaSalle (each of them tried but none of them could stop him)

    But that takes nothing away from Jermaine, he tore up the Bucks.

    I've been wondering how many teams has poor Joe Smith ruined over the years? First he was a # 1 pick who is not a bad player but certainly not the # 1 pick. Second a franchise illegaly paid him & lost future picks for him because they signed him to a seceret deal. Certainly not the player I would put my teams future on the line for.

    When he went to the bench my Son reminded me of the time that Bill Russell said that he went to the locker room & wept when Wilt grabbed 55 rebounds on him. All I could think was that Joe might consider the same thing considering he gave up 55 points.

    Redd looked horrid for some reason last night. I don't know what was up with him but he certainly was off of his game. I'd like to claim it was our defense but he just was not on with his shooting at all.

    Did anybody other than me see Tinsley stick that three in front of the Bucks bench & then turn around & tell Marcus Fizer about it? Usually I hate when we do that but for some reason that struck me funny.

    I don't want to make an issue of this at all because there was just no where for it to happen this game, but it's a damn shame that Austin has to be relagated to being J.O.'s backup only. He even played very well last night. I know J.O. should get all of the min. but really Austin played to well & to hard to be shot down to 10 min. a game. (I haven't looked at the stats. yet but I'm guessing he got 10-12 min. tops)

    At first I was gonna lose my mind with Reggie, he camped out at the three line again. But then after he missed one he stepped in & hit a few two's including a throwback floater, which I love more than I love his three's.

    Fred Jones did a very good job on Desmond Mason for most of the second half.

    David Harrison, I love him, but he has got to get some rebounds.

    BTW, does anybody know why our guard rotation was messed up? We played Johnson a lot at two guard? Is it because Fred played so much three?

    Not a hole lot to say about the game really, other than it was a win & we need all the wins we can get. The real test begins this weekend.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Yes, AJ's playing more 2 while Fred plays 3. Tonight it helped that Milwaukee is so small, but we've been playing that rotation ever since JJ got sat down.

    Yeah, I saw Jamaal chest thump the Bucks bench, but it never occurred to me that he was doing it to Fizer. That's very interesting.

    Smith wasn't JO's only defender. He ripped up Fizer and Zha Zha, too, and a couple quadruple-teams, to be fair. Not that that's saying anything, against Milwaukee.
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      Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

      I saw Tmac drop 62 in one game...and hit what looked like a full court heave nothing but net...that was waived off...
      so no..It's not that big of a deal...

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        Jamaal was just having a little fun with his old college teammate. No harm......
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          Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

          Originally posted by MagicRat
          Jamaal was just having a little fun with his old college teammate. No harm......
          I don't know if I'd be doing that to a friend the same night he's getting [SpikeLee]a double-nickel thrown down on him.[/SpikeLee]
          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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            Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

            Originally posted by MagicRat
            Jamaal was just having a little fun with his old college teammate. No harm......
            Oh yeah.... I forgot that Fizer & Tinsley went to school together. Thanks.


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

              Originally posted by JOneal7
              I saw Tmac drop 62 in one game...and hit what looked like a full court heave nothing but net...that was waived off...
              so no..It's not that big of a deal...
              But did the Magic win that game?


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                I was at the Charlotte game (The Hornets Hive), the night Reggie set the scoring record. I still have the ticket stub from the game. Every time he touched the ball, the croud would shout Reggiiee! Reggiiee! 57 Points Reggie scored that night. Everything he was throwing up was nothing but net. It was great time to be a Pacers fan. We had Feliz Sabates' seats, right behind the radio/TV bench. I think I have pics from that night on my web-site.


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                  Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                  They showed video clips tonight of the game when Reggie went off for 57.

                  Peck, you probably missed it, but early in the game Marcus Fizer, after hitting some shots, was having a lot of fun with Tinsley. The two had a great year at Iowa State and they obviously are still friends.

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                    Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                    Did the magic win? yes they did...By a lot I believe...

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                      I'd planned a couple of stops but since it was raining I marked the stops off and so was at Conseco earlier than normal. JO was practicing and he hardly missed a shot it seemed. OTOH, Harrison was also practicing and he barely hit any. He did better in the game with a man on him than shooting by himself.

                      Nice seeing that work ethic paying off!

                      -Bball
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                        Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                        JO

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                          Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                          Well I saw Mel Daniel's game and the one by Big Mac, sure wish I coulda added a notch for this one but Tuesday games are a definite "No-Go" for me.


                          MAN! Talk about falling outta favor, 2minutes for JJ?????
                          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                            Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                            Just an observation that I noticed last night and now that I think back I have seen this before. Let me set this up for a second. Pacers especially in the 1st half were aking a ton of mental mistakes on defense. Guys were not where they were supposed to be. Mike Brown spent most of the first half shaking his head in disgust and so did Carlisle.

                            The player that seemed to get most of Brown and Carlisle wrath. Jeff Foster. They had a couple of lively discussions on the sidelines. They weren't heated, just lively. It was team deense stuff, being in the right position, switching when necessary that type of stuff. For awhile in the 1st half the Bucks were getting layups off of pick and rolls.

                            The other player who got the wrath was Croshere to a lesser degree.

                            I don't want to make a big deal out of this. But now that I think about this it seems to be that Foster has been in this situation at other times this season

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                              Re: Odd thoughts from J.O.'s big night.....

                              Its no surprise that our four best players, vs. the Bucks, were JO, Foster, Harrison and Croshere. They are so small and perimeter oriented... I thought we should've smashed the ball inside even more than we did.

                              Here's my odd thought for the game, since I was relegated by snow and mid-week status to watching from my television in Chicago ( ), was it just me or did the League Pass switch from FSMW to FSN at halftime. I swear I remember listening to Quinn during the first half, and as I fast-forwarded through half-time, all of a sudded it was Jon McGlocklin walking down memory lane. Now, as a Johnson Country boy, John is my favorite non-Pacers homer in the league, but that was wierd...

                              As for the best scoring game I've attended, Reggie dropped 44 and Chuck added 36 against a couple of guys named Jordan and Pippen once (and I think Det had 29). I drove down from Taylor with a bunch of guys from "the Region" that night, and let me tell you, they didn't have much to say during the drive back to campus.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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