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Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

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    Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

    Coming away 2-0 would have been outstanding, not mandatory but it would have made this series a lot easier. We never seem to like to take the easy way.

    Look there will be no excuse making here tonight, we were just beat and beaten badly. The Knicks just executed their offense with impunity for the most part and well our offense is what our offense is. It’s workable on our best days and it is the Titanic when things go wrong and tonight we hit an iceberg but it was an iceberg of our own making.

    Don’t get me wrong the Knicks upped the defensive pressure and we just did not respond, well that’s not true we responded but we responded very poorly. So full credit to them, they took us out of any semblance of an offensive game that we can work with and just encouraged us to be what we so desperately at times want to be, a jump shooting extravaganza. However our jump shooting is as accurate as 5 O’clock Charlie (it’s an old M.A.S.H. episode look it up)

    Even our coach was off tonight and no it wasn’t just that bizarre time out he took, which his post game excuse just rang hallow btw. We desperately needed someone to set some solid picks & yet that is just not the way we play. It’s all post ups all the time and when it’s not that it’s around the horn until someone decides to take an ill fated three. He’s going to have to do what he did in the Atlanta series and change things up a bit on the offensive side.

    I mean honest to God how do you let a team go on a 30-2 run? Is it a fault of the defense or the offense and the answer is yes. However I am going to depart from the standard issue response and say that in this case it was actually more a problem with the offense. You are not going to stop a team from scoring every time, although they did a pretty good job of stopping us every time. But at some point in time you have to put the ball in the basket and for more than a quart of the game we could not do that.

    It’s not rocket science btw. All the Knicks were doing was hard doubling the post and playing the passing lanes and because we are at best questionable ball handlers and generally **** poor shooters this just was a recipe for the crap soufflé that the Pacers served forth and called it offense.

    Now one thing I will give poor Frank credit for is this. Is there another coach alive who has to make the decision to play his starters for 48 min. for fear that even 75 seconds from a backup won’t change the entire outcome of a game? I mean Sam Young sabotages the first quarter in game one but fortunately there was time to recover and tonight Jeff Pendergraph did everything in his power to earn a contract with the Knicks in his short time on the floor. There was no time to recover from this.

    Don’t get me wrong Jeff didn’t directly cost us the game but in a way his inability and frankly the inability of any of our bench players to hold their own and allow the starters any form of a breather did take it’s toll because I think by the 4th quarter Roy was gassed.

    The bench has had a few games from a few players who have actually been beneficial this season but overall I’m sorry but that bench is a giant disaster who once again is going to have to be upgraded as soon as this season is over, no matter when it ends (short of us winning a title).

    But honestly while the bench was lousy (although once again D.J. played a few solid min.) our starters were nothing to shout about either.

    Roy was acceptable to a point because he still played solid defense and tried to control the boards. His point total was low but again like I said they were hard doubling every single time we attempted to pass into the post so they just limited our ability to even get him a shot.

    Other than that though every other starter had an issue. But my ire tonight is saved for none other than he who is often above question.

    David West was both soft and lazy. How many times did we see him stand there not even making an effort to foul someone (I don’t mean touch foul I mean foul them so they didn’t get a layup). But the sequence that will haunt me is the time Roy stepped over and defended the driver and either got his hand on it or caused them to throw up some slop that was well off. Instead of picking up Roy’s man like he is supposed to and boxing out Chandler, West stood there firmly planted to the ground as if he were solely responsible for maintaining gravity on that particular part of the floor while Tyson grabbed the errant shot and rammed it through as though he were a Dwarven Blacksmith hammering uru metal trying to forge Mjolnir.

    Then to top it off West turned around and shot an evil eye look to either Lance or Hill (they were both there I think) as if it was their responsibility to pick up Tyson Chandler even though West had interior position.

    He also through a couple of “what the hell are you doing” passes that made me want to jump off of a building.

    Needless to say I just wasn’t real happy with David tonight. I don’t blame him for his lack of offensive production because as I said they were hard doubling the post but he really didn’t do anything else to help us with this game either.

    Did Frank throw in the towel a little early? Honestly he probably should have save us all the trouble and threw it in at the end of the 3rd quarter. But in seriousness I have no problem with people who are going to have a problem with him bringing in the deep bench with almost 6 min. left in the game. It wouldn’t have made a difference and our starters were totally out of it by then but I understand if someone doesn’t like it.

    Look all is not bleak, lost or crappy. This game was but overall we are walking away with a split and now can come home and try and take care of business here. It won’t be easy and a lot of things are going to have to happen for us to take care of business. But if there is one thing I’ve learned it is that Frank is a very capable coach and he will have the guys ready for Saturday night’s game.

    Let’s do some grades and as you can imagine it’s not going to be pretty.

    Paul George: C-

    No matter what this summer Paul has got to get with a good dribbling coach because the only thing that will hold Paul back from reaching that next level of stardom is his inability to split good defenders and get to the rack. He played respectable defense when it still mattered but his offense went from attacking to settling and when Paul settles he just isn’t that good. 9 three point attempts is just way to many when he only shot the ball 16 times. But I understand that often times this is because it is all we can get. It’s a combination of poor ball handling and well…no it’s mostly just poor ball handling by all of our wing/guard players.

    David West: F

    Harsh? Yes, it’s meant to be. As I’ve said before I grade on expectations at times and in his case I expect a lot more leadership and a lot less finger wagging. If you can’t get up a shot do something else to help. The 6 rebounds were nice and all but there were at least 3 more I saw him leave hanging. I don’t expect lock down defense from him and asking him to guard Mello is just not a good idea and not even his fault for that, but he has to be willing to help rotate and for the love of God take a foul instead of allowing the layup line like he was doing.

    Roy Hibbert: B

    I got no real beef with Roy other than he didn’t get to the foul line. Hard to do that I realize when you don’t get the ball but still he could have forced the issue maybe a little more. But then again, maybe not. Honestly I just had no real problem with him.

    George Hill: C

    Not sure, I want to say I didn’t like the way he played but then I can’t think of a ton of times where he got burnt. I mean Felton just hit a couple of shots that he had no business hitting but he did so it’s hard to fault George there. He did miss a couple of bunnies at the rim but then he did have one hell of a block on a fast break. So I’ll just say meh to his game.

    Lance Stephenson: D

    Lance should never EVER shoot 7 three point shots in a game, in particular when it is more than 50% of the shots he is taking. They actually did a pretty good job of keeping the ball out of Lance’s hands and it really hurt us. When we stagnated in the 3rd (wow is that ever an understatement) I really wish Lance would have had the ball in his hands trying to drive but it never worked out that way as N.Y. apparently shut down both our ability to post and our ability to drive all at the same time. So he, like his draft mate, decided that the best answer to all of lives questions was to shoot more three point shots.

    Bench: F

    I’m not even going to bother breaking them down as individuals because even if the played a few min. of decent action individually as a group they were as successful as the Edsel.

    Again all is not lost so I don’t need anyone coming on here telling me to “buck up”. Each game is its own game so momentum can just as easily swing either way in game 3.

    Here let’s listen to the soothing sounds of Slade so as not to be too depressed.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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  • #2
    Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

    Five games ago we got blown out by the Hawks, and afterward I posted that the drubbing invoked memories of the 1984 NBA Finals where in Game 3 the Celtics got absolutely spanked but then came back the next game and beat the Lakers and won the championship. This example as well as our experience with the Hawks shows that a loss is a loss when 2 good teams meet, and when they meet again, things can change dramatically. This is perhaps more due to adjustments than a player shifting from cold to hot, but the latter scenario is of course not unheard of. Still regardless, in a 7 game series, in the end, the best team usually wins.

    One other point. Yes, being on the end of a blowout like this does not leave a good taste in one's mouth, but I believe that someone posted in another thread that only 4% of the time has the visiting team begun a series by winning the first two away playoff games. If valid then that's an incredible stat, and I feel better already going into Game 3.

    BTW, I appreciated the MASH and Thor references.

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      Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

      Peck, u get a thanks for the obscure Thor/Marvel reference that only a few here on the board would understand.

      Im not p****d that they lost the game...I was half expecting it. What I'm p*****d about is how they lost the game. Going scoreless for nearly 8 full minutes at a crucial part of the game is DOWNRIGHT EMBARRASSING for a 2nd round Playoff Team.
      Last edited by CableKC; 05-08-2013, 02:54 AM.
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      • #4
        Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

        For a lot of this season, I've wondered how good our defense would be if our offense wasn't so bad. I feel like we'd be unequivocally historically great.
        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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        • #5
          Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

          I cannot disagree with your grade for West. Here we are again bashing West after a horrible game, not knowing if he will step up huge again like he did the last two games of the Hawks series. The thing is, why are we being faced with this dilemma every two or three games? Why the huge swings in production?

          It seems there are times when West drives down the lane and creates...something. But, when he receives a pass at the elbow and stands there, doing nothing, what's the point? Be a force!

          West needs to do what it is he does, or we're done.

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          • #6
            Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            Im not p****d that they lost the game. I was half expecting it. What I'm p*****d about is how they lost the game. Going scoreless for nearly 8 full minutes at a crucial part of the game is DOWNRIGHT EMBARRASSING for a 2nd round Playoff Team.
            this.

            we must win next 2 games. if we lose the homecourt advantage i don't believe we can win the series. i don't think we are mentally tough enough to win a game 7 on the road.

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            • #7
              Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

              Let me say this again (I said it somewhere in the Pacers-Hawks thread):

              You are as good as your last game.

              So I guess let's just move on from this devastating loss and regroup for game 3. After all, we now own the homecourt advantage. We just need to defend our home to increase our chances of advancing to the ECF.

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              • #8
                Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                Well.... what can I say, I thought we played pretty well until we were halfway into the third quarter. That's when we simply imploded. Our offense grinded to a halt and completely stopped executing even the easiest shots, while our turnover rate which was allready a big problem since the start of the game completely exploded off the charts. Add to that that the Knicks gained back their confidence and started making a lot of shots and seemed to gain some extra defensive intensity and you have a recipe for disaster. It was maddenning and frustrating watching the team play that part of the game.

                I agree that not having ANY real serious option on the bench to try and experiment a bit without running the huge risk of getting a big dropoff when said player(s) come in is a HUGE problem for us. One we had hoped we had solved last summer, but it became obvious rather quick during this season that that was not the case and we would have a comparable problem with our bench like we had in last years playoffs, except this time around we will have to do without Danny, but with a greatly improved Paul and Lance.

                I can only hope it's enough and D.J. gets enough motivation to play for a new contract somewhere, so he contributes from the bench as he did in game 1 and he sort of did tonight. He and Tyler are our best shots of getting anything from the bench on a regular basis.

                Anyway, it's back to Indy with our main goal achieved, which was gaining homecourt advantage. We need to take care of business on our home floor, but it's going to be tough, which is why I hope our homecrowd will be as electrified as can be. I'm counting on our fellow fans to push our team forward to victory.

                We'll have to deal with Amare there most likely. I'm not out on if that is a goodthing for us or not. Sure, he's a seeve defensively, but he's also likely to get more calls from the referees due to him still being a marquee player. We'll see.

                I think the long period until the next game helps both teams. I think West and Hibbert on our side could really use a little breather and, offcourse Anthony, Smith, Kidd and Amare on the Knicks I'm sure will also relish the extra time to rest/get back into shape.

                Not much else to say, I guess, except .
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                • #9
                  Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                  I figured we'd lose this one, but I was still really hoping the knicks wouldn't be able to bounce back.
                  It's going to be really tough beating them in both of the next 2 home games, because that would pretty much end the series, and they know that,
                  so I'm pretty sure NY will win either game 3 or 4, forcing us to win again at MSG,
                  and winning there again would be much much more difficult than it was in game 1.

                  I really hope our guys realize this and won't let NY get the upper hand in the series, we have to treat games 3&4 as if
                  they were game 7, because there's no doubt the Knicks would.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                    I liked the effort up to the last Knicks run in the 3rd quarter. Defense was good & minus the turnovers the offense was OK too. Honestly thought the Pacers were poised to close them out if they could just limit the turnovers. What followed was troublesome. I was also coming to the decision that the Pacers had finally shaken the simultaneous defensive lapses and offensive ineptitude that had plagued them in the last two weeks of the season. I was very wrong on both counts.

                    I still think the odds are good the Pacers win this series and getting to the next round would be great for the growth of the young core but having witnessed the mess that was tonight I have a hard time believing they can be anything more than a minor bump in the road for the Heat.

                    The thing that gives me the most confidence in the Pacers eventually closing out the series is how the game was called. I thought the officials did a good job with the verticality rule and not rewarding players for throwing themselves into the bigs once they got into the lane. If that continues eventually the Pacers size & toughness should wear down the Knicks.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                      Originally posted by xtacy View Post
                      i don't think we are mentally tough enough to win a game 7 on the road.
                      This is sort of funny because I don't think we're mentally tough enough to win a game 7, anywhere.
                      The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                        Our passing F
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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                          Happy with the outcome of our trip to NY overall. I just hope we focus more on the sting of 30-2 run from a motivational standpoint than having accomplished the mission to get one of two on the road.

                          DgR is absolutely right. Yes, we've been a superior team at home, but holding serve at home against a desperate Knick team is much easier said than done. We have to be prepared to meet and surpass their intensity level. Last night we just couldn't do that.

                          Hopefully home cookin' will inspire somebody (anybody!) from the bench.
                          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                          -Emiliano Zapata

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                            I am making the trip to Indy for game 3 hopefully the team will show up as well!

                            Last night was bad but we put in a couple of those against Atlanta, Its just worse to put that up in New York.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thought's: Round 2 Game 2 2013 NBA playoffs

                              Pacers was disengaged.

                              First half was lazy, sloppy and way to many jump shots.

                              I thought, well they will smack them in the teeth. Thinking, Pacers didn't use a lot of energy and wasn't in any foul trouble, yet was in the game.

                              Then the 3rd quarter came and it was more the same. Pacers never rose up.

                              Was just disengaged.
                              Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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