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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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  • #61
    Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

    9-4 in favor of Ronnie and the Pacers...not everyone on this board hate Ron as you anti-Ron haters may want people who visit this board to think.

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    • #62
      Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

      No one here hates Ron.

      Well, maybe Jay But seriously no one HATES him. And I still want to know who calls him a thug.

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      • #63
        Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

        Hicks,

        shaggs or whatever his name is has called him a thug alongside Stephen Jackson, and so has other Pacer fans on and off. I am @ work so I type fast on here and talk to clients and don't have time to look it up but I surely will later.

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        • #64
          Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

          Originally posted by XXSASSXX31
          9-4 in favor of Ronnie and the Pacers...not everyone on this board hate Ron as you anti-Ron haters may want people who visit this board to think.
          If anything, I would think Ron is more popular on this message board than he is anywhere else. I know plenty of long-time Pacers fans that, to my knowledge, don't post here or anywhere else, that also can't wait for the Pacers to sever thier ties with him so they can resume winning.

          Not everybody that is ready to put his butt on the next train out of town cares about whether or not he's a "thug". We mostly just don't like watching him single-handedly destroy the team we love. I don't know about "hate" - that's a pretty strong word and I don't know him personally... Its not like I want to kill him or even kick him out of the league, I just don't want him to ever set foot in the Pacers lockerroom again.

          That's the irony here... I've been cheering for this team since before you were born, but you *of all people* think you've got the right to tell people what they have to think to be a fan and if anyone disagrees with you then "he's not a fan."

          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #65
            Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

            Originally posted by Jay@Section204
            If anything, I would think Ron is more popular on this message board than he is anywhere else. I know plenty of long-time Pacers fans that, to my knowledge, don't post here or anywhere else, that also can't wait for the Pacers to sever thier ties with him so they can resume winning.

            Not everybody that is ready to put his butt on the next train out of town cares about whether or not he's a "thug". We mostly just don't like watching him single-handedly destroy the team we love. I don't know about "hate" - that's a pretty strong word and I don't know him personally... Its not like I want to kill him or even kick him out of the league, I just don't want him to ever set foot in the Pacers lockerroom again.

            That's the irony here... I've been cheering for this team since before you were born, but you *of all people* think you've got the right to tell people what they have to think to be a fan and if anyone disagrees with you then "he's not a fan."

            Really Jay???? How about all those Ron Artest jerseys I see throughout the arena along with our players supporting Ron 100%!

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            • #66
              Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

              One more thing Jay,

              I live in Southern California and even from Laker fans down here....they know the suspension is overboard and blame must be shared...I have seen too much anti-Ron and anti-Pacer sentiment on here that I have not seen anywhere else...so I think Ron is much more popular outside of these boards.

              The younger Pacer fans all love Ron Artest...maybe a few older conservative fans don't....but Ron's jerseys sell out quick...he is right there along J.O. as a popular Pacer.

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              • #67
                Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                Originally posted by XXSASSXX31
                Really Jay???? How about all those Ron Artest jerseys I see throughout the arena along with our players supporting Ron 100%!
                You're right. Since some people are wearing Ron Artest jerseys he must be the only reason anybody should support the Pacers.

                Forgive me Sassoooooon, I'm an unworthy Pacers fan.

                Therefore:

                I apologize sincerely for trying to be a "smart" fan, to analyze the games and the players, pointing out their strengths and admitting thier weaknesses, and for ever having a doubt any of the players that they've ever put on thier roster.

                I'm also sorry to Erick Strickland for calling him the worst PG to ever put on a basketball uniform. And I'm sorry to Ron Mercer for calling him a streaky ballhog. And I'm sorry to George McCloud for calling him "the worst lottery pick of all time" and I'm sorry to Bender for ever doubting that he'll be the next great one - in fact he might be the "next Ron Artest." I should've thoroughly enjoyed every championship those guys have brought home to us. I can't believe how bad of a fan I've been.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #68
                  Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                  Originally posted by XXSASSXX31
                  One more thing Jay,

                  I live in Southern California and even from Laker fans down here....they know the suspension is overboard and blame must be shared...I have seen too much anti-Ron and anti-Pacer sentiment on here that I have not seen anywhere else...so I think Ron is much more popular outside of these boards.

                  The younger Pacer fans all love Ron Artest...maybe a few older conservative fans don't....but Ron's jerseys sell out quick...he is right there along J.O. as a popular Pacer.
                  Really, 'cause I live in Chicago, where everyone has known for years just how disruptive he can be, especially if he isn't getting his way. They are only surprised that it took this long for him to do something this catastrophic. Don't forget, he had to be restrained by teammates from going after fans when he was a member of the Bulls.

                  I remember sitting at a game at The UC in 2003. The famous "Jamal Crawford torched Jamaal Tinsley game." Everybody sitting around me was convinced that JO had surpassed Kidd as "the East's MVP" that night. That was the first time I heard MVP and JO in the same sentence - from Bulls fans.

                  Ron fired up several consecutive rushed 3-pointers, JO never touched the ball in the fourth quarter. All the Bulls fans thanked me once again for taking Ron off thier hands as we exited the arena. They reminded me that the Bulls couldn't have won that game without Ron's ballhogging demonstration.

                  This isn't about being old and conservative. Its about caring about the team more than I care about its cancerous yet [in]famous player.

                  You still get the flag.

                  And I'm still going to point out that Ron is the disruptive cancer that he is. Because there are plenty of people on here ready to point out every single postive thing he does on the court but are completely willing to bury thier heads in the sand when its time to discuss his "sins." Well, with Ron you will never have one without the other.
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                  • #69
                    Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                    Sassoon is making a list, he's checking it twice...

                    He is going to hunt me down, put me on his anti-Ron list, I must hide now.
                    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                    • #70
                      Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                      You're right. Since some people are wearing Ron Artest jerseys he must be the only reason anybody should support the Pacers.

                      Forgive me Sassoooooon, I'm an unworthy Pacers fan.

                      Therefore:

                      I apologize sincerely for trying to be a "smart" fan, to analyze the games and the players, pointing out their strengths and admitting thier weaknesses, and for ever having a doubt any of the players that they've ever put on thier roster.

                      I'm also sorry to Erick Strickland for calling him the worst PG to ever put on a basketball uniform. And I'm sorry to Ron Mercer for calling him a streaky ballhog. And I'm sorry to George McCloud for calling him "the worst lottery pick of all time" and I'm sorry to Bender for ever doubting that he'll be the next great one - in fact he might be the "next Ron Artest." I should've thoroughly enjoyed every championship those guys have brought home to us. I can't believe how bad of a fan I've been.

                      What are you rambling about? You said Ron Artest is more popular on here than at the games and I am just pointing out Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal are the two most popular Pacers right now. You said Pacer fans do not support him, I say they support him very much as shown by the poll (I don't know why more don't come and speak out here) and much more in person.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                        It's easy to tell why more people aren't voting on your poll. First, theres been so many more of them, and the choices are way too extreme.
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #72
                          Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                          Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                          Really, 'cause I live in Chicago, where everyone has known for years just how disruptive he can be, especially if he isn't getting his way. They are only surprised that it took this long for him to do something this catastrophic. Don't forget, he had to be restrained by teammates from going after fans when he was a member of the Bulls.

                          I remember sitting at a game at The UC in 2003. The famous "Jamal Crawford torched Jamaal Tinsley game." Everybody sitting around me was convinced that JO had surpassed Kidd as "the East's MVP" that night. That was the first time I heard MVP and JO in the same sentence - from Bulls fans.

                          Ron fired up several consecutive rushed 3-pointers, JO never touched the ball in the fourth quarter. All the Bulls fans thanked me once again for taking Ron off thier hands as we exited the arena. They reminded me that the Bulls couldn't have won that game without Ron's ballhogging demonstration.

                          This isn't about being old and conservative. Its about caring about the team more than I care about its cancerous yet [in]famous player.

                          You still get the flag.

                          And I'm still going to point out that Ron is the disruptive cancer that he is. Because there are plenty of people on here ready to point out every single postive thing he does on the court but are completely willing to bury thier heads in the sand when its time to discuss his "sins." Well, with Ron you will never have one without the other.

                          All of the Pacers have had bad games like that including Reggie...this was before Ron elevated his game like it is today. I could care less what a bunch of Bulls fans said...you can discuss his sins all you want but I will discuss how important of a piece he is to our team and how he is one of the top 5 players to be in the NBA and will be an MVP Candidate next year.

                          Ron Artest dominates on the defensive and offensive end...in every aspect of the game you can imagine. We will not get rid of Ron, he is just too valuable and on 11/19 he did not start fighting someone before being attacked first...but he will surely learn from these incidents and it is going to make him a possible MVP next year...I wouldn't be surprised if Ron was MVP.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                            Originally posted by vapacersfan
                            OOh, Ooh, can I play

                            "I live in Virginia and I think I have seen all of one Pacers jersey over my last 5 years here"

                            I saw a kid in my HS with a reggie one.

                            I wore my Artest (when I still had his jersey), Foster, JO, Reggie, and Rose (when I had that one) but even at the Wizards - Pacers game I only really see Reggie jerseys, and that cause what the Wizards used to sell pre-game

                            What in the hell are you talking about?

                            Looking at jersey's at Pacer game determines the players popular status. That is what I was arguing and that is what is true.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                              Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                              It's easy to tell why more people aren't voting on your poll. First, theres been so many more of them, and the choices are way too extreme.
                              I like them extreme...I like to see where people stand on this issue and the poll brings out their true colors!

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                              • #75
                                Re: Supporting Ron Ron= Supporting PACERS

                                Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                                Sassoon is making a list, he's checking it twice...

                                He is going to hunt me down, put me on his anti-Ron list, I must hide now.
                                Spell my name right! It's SASSAN.

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