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  • #31
    Re: With the 24th pick...

    Woods reminds me a lot of Wayne which is why I am fine taking him with our pick or gambling and trading back for him. Guys like Fuller are also value picks for us since we don't need them to produce the first year. Sooner or later we will need to get a big wr since that's where the league is moving towards.

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    • #32
      Re: With the 24th pick...

      Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
      Robert Woods the guy was a top 5 pick last year and his stock has dropped just because of marqise lee and matt barkley being a tool and not using him.
      Check out this article this is basically what I was saying about projections a year out... Mike Mayock

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-in-school/
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • #33
        Re: With the 24th pick...

        Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
        Woods reminds me a lot of Wayne which is why I am fine taking him with our pick or gambling and trading back for him. Guys like Fuller are also value picks for us since we don't need them to produce the first year. Sooner or later we will need to get a big wr since that's where the league is moving towards.
        Have you checked out Deandre Hopkins? reminds me a lot of Wayne as well...
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #34
          Re: With the 24th pick...

          Mantei Teo!!!
          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          • #35
            Re: With the 24th pick...

            Originally posted by Really? View Post
            Have you checked out Deandre Hopkins? reminds me a lot of Wayne as well...
            I am not a big fan but I would gladly take him in the second round.

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            • #36
              Re: With the 24th pick...

              Grigson: It's obvious I'm in a whole different place than I was last year with this process. #Colts

              Grigson: At the end of day, we want best football players that are going to get us where we want to go, and that's to win Super Bowls.#Colts

              Grigson says strength of draft is DL, OL, DBs. #Colts

              Grigson also said #Colts will trade down if there's not a player at 24 they are excited about.

              How many players are on the #Colts' draft board? "300 or so."

              Grigson on Mr. Irrelevant: We found out that Harnish can play basketball, too. #Colts

              #Colts will pick Mr. Irrelevant again this year. "That pick is relevant to us," Grigson said.

              Grigson said #Colts will have to have discussion about "special" player, regardless of position.

              Is Freeney's replacement in the locker room now? "I'd say we're still finding that out right now." #Colts

              Grigson: We want 11 #Colts helmets flying to the ball, to where it looks like there's 30.

              Grigson: I'm not going to discount anything. We'll always look at the best players, the best talent. #Colts

              Grigson: Aside from QB, any other position could be in play if "special" player is available. #Colts

              Grigson not big on smokescreens. Calls them "wasted energy."

              Grigson said playing mind games with other GMs is a waste of time. No useful info exchanged. #Colts

              Grigson admits he pays attention to mock drafts. Watches to see how players being viewed around league. #Colts

              Is this not a glamorous draft? "We're not going to know for a few years." #Colts

              Grigson again says this draft is strong in the trenches. #Colts

              Grigson on draft prep: It's fun. It's a lot of work. The old scout in him is speaking here. #Colts

              Grigson says synergy of this staff is important. Front office understands what coaches need and seeks those qualities. #Colts

              Grigson: Stopping the run is "a pride thing." Says staff can quickly spot difference between 4-3 and 3-4 players now. #Colts

              Grigson: Good players have been available at 24 last 10 years. Optimistic will be case this year. But if not, open to trading down. #Colts

              Grigson looking for "sure-fire" starter at 24. #Colts

              Grigson answering question about LB Jarvis Jones, says will do medical homework on every prospect. Deep background checks. #Colts

              Interesting on mental side of the game. Grigson saying he doesn't want a player who doesn't want to start right away. #Colts

              Grigson says due diligence done on every player. If there are red flags, once a player slips to a certain spot #Colts could be interested.

              Grigson: We'll make sure that we don't lose out on a great player because we're being judgemental. #Colts

              Grigson: Pep's offense is all about balance. Can't be stringent on scheme. #Colts

              Grigson: Draft is "lifeblood" of an organization. Players grow together, create a bond "like brothers." #Colts

              Grigson: Free agent additions cut from same cloth as last year's draft picks. #Colts

              Grigson: Pagano's illness helped galvanize staff quickly, could be reason for group's outstanding synergy. #Colts

              Grigson: Obviously, we've done our homework on the Purdue guys ... and IU. #Colts

              Good talk with Grigson. Clear #Colts are keeping all options open at No. 24. https://twitter.com/gmbremer
              Not sure were to put this but the more I here Grigson talk the more I like him as our Colts GM.

              Grigson also said that the Walden signing was to stop the run.
              Last edited by Gamble1; 04-19-2013, 12:48 PM.

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              • #37
                Re: With the 24th pick...

                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                I am not a big fan but I would gladly take him in the second round.
                Really, what is it that you don't like about him or fell that Woods has the upper hand on him about?

                Also I was watching Woods tape today just to make sure I didn't miss anything and I did, dudes separation skills are pretty iffy, he runs precise routes, but the problem is that they are not deceptive, and the DB is typically right there with him too often. It was easy to see his hands are amazing, and he doesn't catch with his body, and knows how to adjust to the ball very well. But I think against NFL corners he will not be very successful, crazy thing was watching Keenan Allens tape vs UCLA compared to WOods, it was not even close to me, Allen better separation, same great hands, very quick in small spaces, adjust well to the ball, and is a better blocker. I would give Allen the edge any day of the week.
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • #38
                  Re: With the 24th pick...

                  Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                  Not sure were to put this but the more I here Grigson talk the more I like him as our Colts GM.

                  Grigson also said that the Walden signing was to stop the run.
                  Yeah read all of these yesterday, I am happy that he seems a little bit more relaxed instead of uneasy like last year, hopefully he is enjoying it.

                  He also gave a lot of hints to what his feelings are in the draft, and what he plans to do, I think the players that he is bringing in are most likely going to be the ones that he targets at 24, unless there is some type of big slip on draft day.
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                  • #39
                    Re: With the 24th pick...

                    Eddie Lacy an idea? Could help our power running game
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                    • #40
                      Re: With the 24th pick...

                      Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                      Eddie Lacy an idea? Could help our power running game
                      Way bigger issues, can grab a back to help out with that in later rounds...
                      Why so SERIOUS

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                      • #41
                        Re: With the 24th pick...

                        Originally posted by Really? View Post
                        Really, what is it that you don't like about him or fell that Woods has the upper hand on him about?

                        Also I was watching Woods tape today just to make sure I didn't miss anything and I did, dudes separation skills are pretty iffy, he runs precise routes, but the problem is that they are not deceptive, and the DB is typically right there with him too often. It was easy to see his hands are amazing, and he doesn't catch with his body, and knows how to adjust to the ball very well. But I think against NFL corners he will not be very successful, crazy thing was watching Keenan Allens tape vs UCLA compared to WOods, it was not even close to me, Allen better separation, same great hands, very quick in small spaces, adjust well to the ball, and is a better blocker. I would give Allen the edge any day of the week.
                        Hopkins is the better deep ball threat but I would give Woods and Allen the edge Peps offense. Woods seems like a guy who is just more like Wayne. He protects himself from big hits and knows how to catch it very low to the ground which is a valueable skill IMO that Woods and Allen don't have.

                        I don't think there is a huge separation between the three but in Peps offense I think Woods and Allen would be a better replacement for Wayne than Hopkins. With Allen I would just worry that he would take some big shots trying to go for yards after the catch. In the end I like Woods for his route running and his ability to catch a ball that isn't perfectly thrown whether its high or low.

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                        • #42
                          Re: With the 24th pick...

                          Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                          Eddie Lacy an idea? Could help our power running game
                          mark ingram v2
                          Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                          • #43
                            Re: With the 24th pick...

                            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                            I am not a big fan but I would gladly take him in the second round.
                            if we had a 2nd

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                            • #44
                              Re: With the 24th pick...

                              Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                              mark ingram v2
                              There is so much wrong with this.

                              Ingram was the prototypical good college RB that wouldn't translate well in the pros. Lacy is the opposite. He has th size to run through people and even if he is slower he will break through arm tackles and always fall forward after contact much like Edge always did.

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                              • #45
                                Re: With the 24th pick...

                                Originally posted by SIR-LANCE-ALOT View Post
                                if we had a 2nd
                                The point is to trade back if we want to draft a WR. I don't see him as a 1st round talent in this draft.

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