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  • With the 24th pick...

    in the 2013 NFL Draft the Indianapolis Colts select Jarvis Jones Line Backer from the University of Georgia...

    I believe he is a top 10 talent but looks to be sliding down draft boards.. If he's there at 24 I would be shocked if Indy doesn't call his name.

    However, DL is the top priority in my opinion... primarily at NT. I like Jesse Williams from ALabama. The guy is a Big Strong Versatile powerhouse who can shift over to DE and drop back to OLB and would fit nicely in our 3-4 Defense.

    our WR core was looking fairly sketchy until the recent signing of Heyward Bey.. DHB isn't elite by any means, but bringing him in will push Lavon Brazil (who has a lot of potential) and allow us to use our 1st rounder elsewhere... However if WR was the target I like DeAndre Hopkins from Clemson..

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    Xavier Rhodes.

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      Re: With the 24th pick...

      Originally posted by habart30 View Post

      However, DL is the top priority in my opinion... primarily at NT. I like Jesse Williams from ALabama. The guy is a Big Strong Versatile powerhouse who can shift over to DE and drop back to OLB and would fit nicely in our 3-4 Defense.

      I would hardly call it top priority. Take a look here

      Originally posted by Strummer View Post

  • NT Josh Chapman

    • Brandon McKinney
    • Aubrayo Franklin
    • Martin Tevaseu
    • Kellen Heard
  • Plus RJF who is versatile enough to play any position of the front 3.

    Pass rush and a Guard is a top priority. The OL in not ready yet. Not at least when there is mention of McGlynn as a starter.
    Last edited by Johanvil; 04-11-2013, 06:18 AM.
    Never forget

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      Re: With the 24th pick...

      Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
      I would hardly call it top priority. Take a look here



      Plus RJF who is versatile enough to play any position of the front 3.

      Pass rush and a Guard is a top priority. The OL in not ready yet. Not at least when there is mention of McGlynn as a starter.
      Yeah not a priority, and no way in the world I want to see Williams dropping back in coverage as an OLB, lol

      While he is talented he also has his short comings and I don't think DHB offers much, he does allow us a chance to go a position other than WR in the 1st but we will definitely need to try to address it really soon.
      Why so SERIOUS

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        Re: With the 24th pick...

        for the pick Keenan Allen is my choice...
        Why so SERIOUS

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          Re: With the 24th pick...

          We won't go guard unless a Cooper or Warmack miraculously fall... OT isn't a priority. I see us picking up an interior lineman somewhere later in the draft, maybe round 3 or 4.

          Honestly I think it is impossible to anticipate exactly who we take. With so many signings this free agency, it seems that the front office feels confident that they filled all the holes they needed to (regardless of what WE think of guys like Walden, Grigson expects production). With that in mind I think it is important that they build a big board and stick to a BPA strategy. TE, RB, ILB, S, and QB are the only positions that I would be upset to see drafted in the 1st round. All other positions either need to become younger or need to become more talented.

          A guy like Datone Jones could be our BPA even though 3-4 DE isn't a desperate need. Xavier Rhodes or Desmond Trufant have the potential to be shutdown corners, but it isn't as if we don't have any capable CB on our roster. A guy like Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter, or Cordarelle Patterson could be an excellent value pick as well.

          I can't wait for draft day!

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            Re: With the 24th pick...

            ... Our Indianapolis Colts trade the 24th Pick to the 49ers in exchange for the 34th and 61st Picks...

            With the 34th Pick the Colts select NT/ DE Jesse Williams of Alabama... This versitile D-Lineman will provide plenty of versatility and Depth for the Colts. Concerns of him taking pass drops are irrellevant as he anchored the defensive front in the same 3-4 scheme at multiple positions for the Crimson Tides #1 ranked defense in the country. Williams has an impressive combination of Strength 30 bench Reps and Speed, clocking in at 4.8 in the 40...

            With the 61st Pick the Colts select WR Terrence Williams out of Baylor... This Big Play target led the nation in receiving yards (1800+) in 2012 and is ideal to play the successor role behind both Reggie and DHB on the outside, moving TY comfortably into the slot. At 6'2 208 lbs, he has the size to be a redzone threat and with a good 4.48 forty, has the gliding speed to be a deceptive deep threat as well. Williams has doubled his recieving output the last 3 years, so we can expect a 3600+ yard season out of him as a rookie. Coming from one wide-open passing system to another Williams could be an All-Pro in no time with Andrew Luck.

            For good measure...

            At Pick #64 The Indianapolis Colts select C/OG/T Barrett Jones of the Alabama Crimson Tide... Barrett is a multi-time all-SEC, all-american and academic all-american at every position... The drafts most decorated and versatile Offensive Lineman, Barrett has anchored the most productive line in college football. (considering the SEC schedule and blasting open holes for Pro-Style Backs; Ingram, Richardson, Lacy and Yeldon over the last 3 years) If healthy for camp, he will fill an IMMEDIATE need for depth and will challenge to unseat Starters as a rookie. His durability has been a question mark, but his toughness and moxy is unrivaled.

            Lastly, for extra good measure...

            With the 86th Pick OUR Indianapolis Colts select RB Marcus Lattimore of South Carolina... Once highly touted as a sure First Rounder, likely High-First Round Pick, Marcus suffered a devastating knee injury in 2012 and his stock saw a steep drop. His rock toting ability in between the tackles and in space have drawn comparisons to Arian Foster of the Texans. Lattimore dominated the SEC when he was healthy. With an immediate need NOT NECESSARILY present at the time, Marcus would have an opportunity to get back to form and be the STEAL of the draft come 2014... Having filled needed depth with my previous 3 picks I felt this pick was a good spot to take a chance on a guy who is HIGH character/ HIGH upside!

            I think that these 4 Picks have a VERY good opportunity to play this season, start for us in the next 18 months, and be ALL-Pro players within a couple years. All 4 SHOULD be available at those picks as most mocks have them penciled in around the time I have selected them or later...

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              Lattimore isnt doing anything next season will be redshirted the entire year.
              Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                That mock is pretty decent. I don't care for the first pick though. I doubt we get lattimore. I see him going to the niners with all their picks.

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                  Re: With the 24th pick...

                  Some reason i keep getting this sick feeling we are going to draft Eddie Lacy.

                  god i hope we dont i will be incredibly angry if we do.
                  Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                    Re: With the 24th pick...

                    Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                    Some reason i keep getting this sick feeling we are going to draft Eddie Lacy.

                    god i hope we dont i will be incredibly angry if we do.
                    That's so funny since I already predicted that they pick Lacy but don't you worry. He won't be there if he actually an a 4.4 forty.

                    He will probably go to the Steelers.

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                      Re: With the 24th pick...

                      Lacy ran like 4.6 at his pro day yesterday. As a big Bama fan, I can tell you his is worth no better than a third or fourth rounder. Anything higher than that is a reach. Shirtless, he was NOT a "solid" physique.

                      Last edited by *astrisk*; 04-12-2013, 01:18 PM.

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                        Re: With the 24th pick...

                        Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
                        Lacy ran like 4.6 at his pro day yesterday. As a big Bama fan, I can tell you his is worth no better than a third or fourth rounder. Anything higher than that is a reach. Shirtless, he was NOT a "solid" physique.
                        IF he still has the partial hamstring tear then its not shocking he had poor conditioning.

                        Either way I think he is off the board so my prediciton is that the Colts go OLB then DB. IF Jones is on the board they take him and Milliner drops because of his injury then they trade up to get him.

                        The RB they take in the 3rd or 4th round would be Christine Micheal. I could see them trading back for Micheal.

                        I still like Jenkins as a value pick in the third or fourth round as well but I see OLB as a focus of this draft that needs to be a high priority.

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                          Best availabe player or a trade. I like the Hopkins mention habart30.

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                            Re: With the 24th pick...

                            Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
                            ... Our Indianapolis Colts trade the 24th Pick to the 49ers in exchange for the 34th and 61st Picks...

                            With the 34th Pick the Colts select NT/ DE Jesse Williams of Alabama... This versitile D-Lineman will provide plenty of versatility and Depth for the Colts. Concerns of him taking pass drops are irrellevant as he anchored the defensive front in the same 3-4 scheme at multiple positions for the Crimson Tides #1 ranked defense in the country. Williams has an impressive combination of Strength 30 bench Reps and Speed, clocking in at 4.8 in the 40...

                            With the 61st Pick the Colts select WR Terrence Williams out of Baylor... This Big Play target led the nation in receiving yards (1800+) in 2012 and is ideal to play the successor role behind both Reggie and DHB on the outside, moving TY comfortably into the slot. At 6'2 208 lbs, he has the size to be a redzone threat and with a good 4.48 forty, has the gliding speed to be a deceptive deep threat as well. Williams has doubled his recieving output the last 3 years, so we can expect a 3600+ yard season out of him as a rookie. Coming from one wide-open passing system to another Williams could be an All-Pro in no time with Andrew Luck.

                            For good measure...

                            At Pick #64 The Indianapolis Colts select C/OG/T Barrett Jones of the Alabama Crimson Tide... Barrett is a multi-time all-SEC, all-american and academic all-american at every position... The drafts most decorated and versatile Offensive Lineman, Barrett has anchored the most productive line in college football. (considering the SEC schedule and blasting open holes for Pro-Style Backs; Ingram, Richardson, Lacy and Yeldon over the last 3 years) If healthy for camp, he will fill an IMMEDIATE need for depth and will challenge to unseat Starters as a rookie. His durability has been a question mark, but his toughness and moxy is unrivaled.

                            Lastly, for extra good measure...

                            With the 86th Pick OUR Indianapolis Colts select RB Marcus Lattimore of South Carolina... Once highly touted as a sure First Rounder, likely High-First Round Pick, Marcus suffered a devastating knee injury in 2012 and his stock saw a steep drop. His rock toting ability in between the tackles and in space have drawn comparisons to Arian Foster of the Texans. Lattimore dominated the SEC when he was healthy. With an immediate need NOT NECESSARILY present at the time, Marcus would have an opportunity to get back to form and be the STEAL of the draft come 2014... Having filled needed depth with my previous 3 picks I felt this pick was a good spot to take a chance on a guy who is HIGH character/ HIGH upside!

                            I think that these 4 Picks have a VERY good opportunity to play this season, start for us in the next 18 months, and be ALL-Pro players within a couple years. All 4 SHOULD be available at those picks as most mocks have them penciled in around the time I have selected them or later...
                            I like this...a lot. Not sure how realistic it is, but I would be very happy with that draft class even if you are a Tide fan. :P

                            Besides that, the picks #s are off a bit... http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2013.php

                            So I don't think we would realistically be able to get all of the guys you mentioned due to our pick numbers being back. For instance you have us getting Barret Jones at the last pick of the 2nd round when in reality that pick is actually towards the end of the 3rd where Jones very well may not be. Although you still could have a shot at Williams or Jones falling.

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