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    Still happy about winning the division, hasn't been done since 03-04, now lets go to the playoffs and advance.......nuff said
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    Since 2003-2004, this year will be only the 3rd time where the Central Division winner didn't have the best record in the East. Include 03-04 and 4 different teams from the division have been the #1 Eastern Conference seed.

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    This board is just hilarious sometimes.

    Win the division...doesn't really matter.

    Could only imagine if Vnzla was the first one to make that comment lol.
    well, it doesn't. it's literally meaningless.

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    well, it doesn't. it's literally meaningless.
    How many other meaningless things get banners? How many other meaningless things get a guaranteed 1-4 playoff position?

    I understand the sentiment, but calling it "meaningless" isn't true at all.

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    well, it doesn't. it's literally meaningless.
    Literally meaningless. It literally means nothing. The banner will have no words on it. I don't even understand what "central division champs" means because those words don't mean anything together.
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    Literally meaningless. It literally means nothing. The banner will have no words on it. I don't even understand what "central division champs" means because those words don't mean anything together.

    Being given a banner doesn't make something meaningful beyond any personal satisfaction.

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    It's more of a bragging rights thing, especially to say to Chicago fans. It's not going to help us for anything beyond that when push comes to shove however.

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    This board is just hilarious sometimes.

    Win the division...doesn't really matter.

    Could only imagine if Vnzla was the first one to make that comment lol.
    I was just giving my opinion and I have never thought winning the division means much. Just isn't anything that I value. I honestly don't know or care the prior times they have won the division. But I do know how far they have gotten in the playoffs every year, in how many games, who they played and what seed they were entering the playoffs.

    Think I am just repeating myself now.

    I mean sure, I would rather win the division than not win the division, but in and of itself it doesn't hold any meaning to me. If I were to list the top then things the pacers accomplished this season winning the division would not make more list.

    OK I guess I touched a nerve. Evidently it is a lot more meaningful to many than I realized.
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    I cannot think of anything that is more meaningless. Really means nothing to me.

    winning more than 50 games is meaningful, getting a high seed, is meaningful.
    How about finishing in 9th place in the East and getting a 13-15 slotted draft pick?

    Sheesh... what crappy post. I wish you would've kept that crap to yourself.


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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    How can winning your division be meaningless? It might have less meaning than winning a Conference Championship and certainly less than an NBA Finals Championship but those are postseason awards. Winning your division is a reward for the Regular Season. The Pacers only had 4 in their NBA history before this season so winning the division is a rare accomplishment for this organization.

    Only 6 teams can win one each season and they ensure you get a better Playoff seed if you wind up tied or with less wins than a non-division winner so they are important. They are meaningful.

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    Wish I could be more happy about this. Backing in to the division championship because another team loses and not because we won kind of puts a damper on it for me.

    But on the other hand Look how far we have come in just a short time since exorcising the demon.
    Well look at it this way then... the Pacers have dominated the Central Division losing only 3 games. This is one of the best seasons they've ever had against the Central Division and beating the Bulls 3 times certainly helped them win the division.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Given how far we have come since the days of the coach that shall not be named it is a nice thing to get even if we backed into it.

    If they want to keep the divisions they need to have division winners automatically get the top three seeds in the playoffs. There is no reward really for winning your division since they do not guarantee that top 3 seed.

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    If they want to keep the divisions they need to have division winners automatically get the top three seeds in the playoffs. There is no reward really for winning your division since they do not guarantee that top 3 seed.
    It used to be that way, now they're guaranteed a top 4 spot.
    http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

    Which is why it's not "meaningless."

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    It used to be that way, now they're guaranteed a top 4 spot.
    http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

    Which is why it's not "meaningless."
    Even though it guarantees a 4th seed, it is in name only. If the 5 seed has a better record, they get homecourt advantage. If a division title isn't meaningless, it's about as close as anything could be. There is no tangible value to a division title outside of the team having the chance to raise a banner if they so choose. Playoff wise, it's 100% irrelevant.
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    Even though it guarantees a 4th seed, it is in name only. If the 5 seed has a better record, they get homecourt advantage. If a division title isn't meaningless, it's about as close as anything could be. There is no tangible value to a division title outside of the team having the chance to raise a banner if they so choose. Playoff wise, it's 100% irrelevant.
    That argument only holds if your record as the division-champion-but-4th-seed is only worse than the 5th seed. If your record was bad enough to make you 6th seed without the division win, then you get to play the 5th seed instead of the 3rd seed in the first round. You're right, you still don't have HCA, but one would think playing the lower seeded team is at least somewhat helpful.
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    I look at the season this way in light of the two disappointing losses: We are going to win 50 games (fingers crossed) without Danny Granger playing (essentially). Would we have guessed a 50 win season without Granger before the season started?

    Would have been nice to see a fully functional Danny this year though.
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    That argument only holds if your record as the division-champion-but-4th-seed is only worse than the 5th seed. If your record was bad enough to make you 6th seed without the division win, then you get to play the 5th seed instead of the 3rd seed in the first round. You're right, you still don't have HCA, but one would think playing the lower seeded team is at least somewhat helpful.
    Check out the 2005-06 Western Conference standings, which was the impetus behind the change, for proof of this.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/year/2006

    Denver would have been tied for the 7th seed had it gone by record only. But even under the new format, they would have moved up to 4th and played Memphis without home court, instead of playing Dallas or San Antonio. Memphis was the team that got screwed that season, not Dallas.

    The team with the best record should ALWAYS have homecourt or homefield advantage, IMO. You shouldn't be rewarded for winning a crappy division (think 2010 Seattle Seahawks, who won with a 7-9 record) by getting homefield. I think the NFL should give byes to the top 2 division winners, and then sort the next 4 teams by record, and give the teams with the best record homefield. And the World Series homefield shouldn't be determined by the all-star game, it should be determined by best record.

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