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Odd Thoughts: Road Warriors

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    Odd Thoughts: Road Warriors

    I can’t deny it guys, today is bittersweet for me.

    To say the news that Danny Granger is going to have season ending (and let’s be honest career altering at the least probably) surgery took its toll on me. I have never once hidden the fact that I am an unashamed fan of Danny Granger and to know that he spent his entire career with us which was filled with some of the worst times in our teams history only to be injured and unable to play and contribute when the team is finally ready to move forward is unfair to say the least.

    My biggest fear is that this will either be the end for him or it will be so altering that he will never be even close again and people who are just now coming along for the ride will never know that we truly had both a great player and an even better person on our team.

    But not only as a Granger fan am I hurting but I’m not going to lie as a Pacers fan this is even more devastating. I know it was unreasonable, especially when we did see him play, but I still held out hope that he would at least be able to be the crafty veteran off of the bench who could still get his points and help the team.

    But now, well now I am just hoping and praying that our starting five can physically stand playing almost 40 min. a game in the playoffs. I know we have won the last two games but believe me it was largely on the backs of the starters.

    I am sorry for stating this off on such a bitter note but I can’t just lie and pretend that Danny’s departure doesn’t touch me on a deep level.

    However as a Granger fan it really now is time to officially do what really occurred earlier in the season and that is to pass the baton to Paul George and place all of our hopes and dreams into him. It never made sense to me when people felt the need to bash Danny to elevate Paul, they both are great players and Paul now without a doubt is the anchor of our team from here forward. So I wish nothing but absolute success and hope that Paul stays a career Pacer and ends with his jersey in the rafters.

    Okay let’s move onto tonight’s game.

    This simply is a matter of a soft jump shooting team not having one of those nights where everything drops meeting up with a physical buzz saw of a defensive team. Honestly if it wasn’t for Dirk hitting shots in the first half and old man Carter doing what he always does whenever he sees the Pacers the half time lead would have been more reflective of the ending score than the tied game it was.

    There is no doubt that our players were defending and rebounding and attacking the paint at a high level but let’s be honest some of this is simply the fact that the Mavericks are both old & soft.

    I did laugh though during the game because Rick Carlisle may have changed a lot of things since he has been gone but the one thing he is pretty consistent about is that whenever a team makes an initial run of two unopposed baskets he still calls time outs. That is until the team just runs so many uncontested baskets he eventually gives up which is what occurred during this game.

    BTW, exactly who was so important to keep on the Mavericks roster that they decided to let Chandler walk? I mean I get if they felt the need to keep Dirk but anybody else should have been dumped or whatever could have been done to make room to keep him, he was the only physical presence they had.

    I’m just going to address this right now so we won’t dwell on it. I know I need to be the bigger person but I can’t help myself I nearly pee myself with glee every time I see Jim O’Brien have to sit there and hold a clip board and not be able to arrogantly walk the sidelines like he has a clue to what he is doing. I know that Rick is in charge but I swear to God there really are just some area’s that no matter what position he holds that O’Brien just seems to suck the life out of from a team.

    I mean we are a great rebounding team and they are soft but come on are we really 21 rebounds better than them? Well I guess so. Now to be fair to Satan one of the big gripes I ever had with Carlisle was the fact that he just refuses to emphasize offensive rebounding and between the two of them they have the Mavericks convinced that as a team having fewer rebounds than Tyler Hansbrough and Roy Hibbert combined is a good thing. Well it is a good thing, a good thing for us.

    Could there be any more of a contrast of actual coaching ability between Vogel & Satan than tonight.

    When he left we were soft, boring, disorganized and most importantly of all losing. In fact during Satan’s entire reign here we never had a winning season and I believe that we only had one winning month and that was the year that he decided to “tank” but his version of tanking actually meant playing players who were young and athletic so it back fired on him.

    Now here we are just a few years removed from his evil presence and look where we are and how we play. I would be willing to say it’s because we have better players and we do but Frank changed that team from his first day there and we haven’t looked back sense.

    I know Roy enjoys doing well against him and don’t think that Tyler has forgotten for a min. that the last game O’Brien coached our team that he was inactive so that James Posey could play for his 17 min of uselessness.

    Anyway I only do this twice a year so you will have to indulge me on this. In ending my rant against the unholy one I invite him to eat yellow snow.

    As to the team were just going to do some bulletpoints tonight.

    • Paul George was great, really a very nice come back game for him because lately he has been less than stellar overall. Not bad mind you but just not that great and certainly that is not we need as a team.
    • Roy Hibbert is playing with an edge and I like it. Since the all-star break he has played better, since the Golden State game he has played much better and since arriving in Texas he has been Royzilla.
    • Damn Tyler Hansbrough. Just when I felt comfortable giving up on him he goes and has this series of games where he has never played this well this consistently for his entire career. The fact he is scoring of course helps everything but I have been just astounded with his defense and rebounding during this time. Not only did he not get embarrassed by Dirk tonight, during two possessions he guarded him as well as anyone possibly could. At this point I just hope we don’t see him go back to just getting 8 min. a game other than times when West just has it going.
    • D.J. Augustine has made me actually appreciate the time that Darren Collison spent here.
    • Can anyone actually verify that Orlando Johnson is actually a rookie? I swear he does not play like one, just no fear or hesitation at all. If he is this good now how good will he be in a couple of years?
    • George Hill just quietly kills teams. I know I’m not a huge fan of this stat but even I am impressed by his +/- for this game.
    • The fact that Lance didn’t get to the free throw line tonight is just proof to me that these refs were letting a lot of stuff go and well frankly they just missed a lot. He was killed at least 3 times driving and never got to the line. It was fun though to watch him bother Mayo though on defense because he is every bit as big and probably a little stronger than O.J. is.

    Needless to say going two and zero on the Texas two step is outstanding and is just a testament to how good our team can be when they focus on defense and try and get most of the points in the paint.

    Now onto Phoenix to try and get three in a row on the road, which btw would be outstanding.




    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Great win again
    This is the version of Roy I want to see more. Dominant is the first word that comes to my mind.

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    • #3
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      From watching OJs videos from college before the season started I thought he had a chance to be something special for a second round pick. I fully believe he has the ability to be a starter in a few years.

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      • #4
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        It may be a bit premature to say this, but i could see us letting lance walk at theendof next season if oj keeps up his progression.he'd be a cheaper option, and could be just as good, if not better.
        Passion, Pride, Playoffs, Pacers

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        • #5
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          I echo your thoughts about Granger. I too was pretty devastated when I heard about the news.

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            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            • Can anyone actually verify that Orlando Johnson is actually a rookie? I swear he does not play like one, just no fear or hesitation at all. If he is this good now how good will he be in a couple of years?
            He's already 24, Peck. We all know that someone his age can't get better.

            Originally posted by pianoman View Post
            It may be a bit premature to say this, but i could see us letting lance walk at theendof next season if oj keeps up his progression.he'd be a cheaper option, and could be just as good, if not better.
            I like OJ more than most, but I like Lance more than OJ. Lance gets so many easy buckets by pushing the ball, he's just invaluable.

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              Originally posted by pianoman View Post
              It may be a bit premature to say this, but i could see us letting lance walk at theendof next season if oj keeps up his progression.he'd be a cheaper option, and could be just as good, if not better.
              Isn't Lance three years younger than OJ? I'm pretty sure he's got just as much room for growth, and he's already a starter!

              I'd make sure you have both these players locked up for a couple years.
              Danger Zone

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Rogco View Post
                Isn't Lance three years younger than OJ? I'm pretty sure he's got just as much room for growth, and he's already a starter!

                I'd make sure you have both these players locked up for a couple years.
                Three years younger, but also two more years of NBA experience. Age isn't the only deciding factor, NBA experience is a huge factor in improvement of players. I would say it is more important in the growth of a player their first 2 or 3 seasons in the NBA than age.

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                • #9
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                  Something has been really wrong with lance over the past month or two. I know he had a good game against the rockets but overall he has been a shell of his normal self. I think it is starting to get to him as well becuase his body language is starting to change. It may just be that his legs are fried and he cant lift on his shot but he looks nothing like the player we could count on earlier in the year.

                  To be out on the floor with this starting 5 we really need his defense and a 40% 3pt shot, without it it almost makes him a liability because teams are starting to sag and make life harder on PG. His uptempo drive is still there and just as good as ever but his shooting touch has really went gerald greenish quickly.

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                  • #10
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                    Peck, there was a quote from Carlisle that I read yesterday from the Dallas Morning News, saying how rare the pacers are to be the 5th best offensive rebounding team and yet the best team in the NBA at not allowing fastbreak points.

                    Mavs not re-signing Chandler has to be one of the alltime worst decisions. They have no interior defense to speak of. I loved the start of the second half when the Mavs fouled Roy what seemed like 4 straight possessions

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                    • #11
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                      That was a great game. The refs in the first half really had me upset but I'm proud of the way the team responded. Instead of pouting they came back from halftime determined to take the fight to the Mavs and once their level of physicality increased, the Mavs folded like a cheap lawn chair.

                      Peck regarding why the Mavs let Chandler go, it was because they wanted enough capspace to go after Deron Williams and Dwight Howard. They thought Dwight was going to opt out of his deal last summer. It backfired this season but Cuban wasn't afraid to take a risk and he really was just concerned with fielding a decent Playoffs caliber team until free agency this summer. It's the reason they only signed OJ Mayo (player option for 1 more season), Brand, and Kaman to 1-year deals. Most of their team is on the last year of their deals so they can rebuild on the fly this summer.

                      Even if they miss out on Dwight this summer, I'm sure they could get Al Jefferson and re-sign Mayo to a long term deal.

                      This was a good performance from the Pacers. I was hoping that they wouldn't have a big emotional let down after learning that Danny was going to have season ending surgery. It was also the 2nd night of a back-to-back. I wouldn't have been upset if they lost. However they put on one of the best second half performances of the season. To beat a team by 25 points in their arena is incredible no matter the opponent. The fact that they did it against the Mavs, a team that had been playing well in March, and after the bad news and tough game against the Rockets was astounding!

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                        Three years younger, but also two more years of NBA experience. Age isn't the only deciding factor, NBA experience is a huge factor in improvement of players. I would say it is more important in the growth of a player their first 2 or 3 seasons in the NBA than age.
                        This is the first season of play by Lance too. I want to keep them both, I would love to see OJ be a great weapon off of the bench.

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                        • #13
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                          After we clinch, and just for fun, I'd like to see OJ start over Lance. Just one game. I want to see what he can do with the starters in with him.

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                          • #14
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                            Really enjoyed watching this game even if the Pacers made the Mavs look old and raggedy
                            by comparison. Sadly those old veterans like Marion and Carter just don't have the legs to
                            keep up with the youngsters any more.

                            Also liked how seemingly the farther the game progressed, the more Hansbrough went nuts
                            on them. Just got the feeling he might have seen Obie sitting over there and got some
                            extra motivation to ratchet up the intensity. Would like to see this more often.

                            Very nice road wins...onward to Phoenix!

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Royzilla
                              Love the ROYZILLA reference! esp if anyone remembers the Gorilla dance he did earlier in the season vs the heat.

                              Go Pacers!

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