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    I think you can put one on the left, one on the right. That way you have got 2 people who can create chances for Altidore/Dempsey. Plus you can use Donovan moving forward and into the goal area with Zusi feeding him as well. That means sticking Fabian at left back, which means that side will probably be very aggressive moving forward, and Fabian is great at feeding it in.
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    I think you can put one on the left, one on the right. That way you have got 2 people who can create chances for Altidore/Dempsey. Plus you can use Donovan moving forward and into the goal area with Zusi feeding him as well. That means sticking Fabian at left back, which means that side will probably be very aggressive moving forward, and Fabian is great at feeding it in.
    I'm not going to unrealistically overrate the US heading into the WC, but I'm legitimately excited about Jozy (in the form he's in now) getting service from Donovan and Zusi. His hold-up play is going to allow for some exciting combos, and when Donovan and Dempsey start making runs after the initial give, look out...

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    There's still a lot of work to be done. What we've done in the past few months is a great start, but the team needs more time with each other to improve upon the technical aspects of the game. I want to see it done better against better teams. We have a friendly in August against Bosnia-Herzegovina which should be a good test. I want us to play as many friendlies in the next year leading up to the WC against non-concacaf teams so that we improve our technical skill against teams that are good in possession.
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    And my biggest wish is that the Nats get some more practice against teams that are gonna park the bus. Too often vs bunkering teams, they are just content to knock the ball around in front of the back line, not make any challenging runs up the sideline, poor at using width, poor at connective runs inside, etc. Too much settling for merely possessing the ball.

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    I think one of the benefits of playing in CONCACAF is that all the teams outside of Mexico do exactly that (as we did as well before Klinsmann) since they don't have the talent to beat us through possession.

    I actually want more practice against teams that hold possession better. Those are the teams that we have to beat at the WC, and in those games we are going to have trouble holding onto the ball. As a team that is beginning to get better at holding the ball, I want to see how we play that. Do we continue to push forward and expose the back line against their better attack, or do we play CONCACAF ball and play counter soccer?
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    In terms of offense, that was some of the best passing and movement I've seen from the US in the first half. They could have easily scored 3-4 more based on those chances. The ES GK did a great job stopping some of those.
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    Zelaya looks really, really good for ES. He should be playing in Europe or MLS. He's made the US defense look like fools at times.

    And talk about a super sub for Eddie Johnson. Sub, then goal 2 sec later. Wow.
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    That was a beautiful game to watch. Terrific, terrific passing and opportunities by the USMNT. Probably could have scored 4-5 more goals honestly, but their GK did a great job stopping those. More of this, please.
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    Those two saves from Rimando were absolutely pivotal at that point in the game. They were absolutely magnificent. Landon was all over the field, which is good to see. I know we're still fielding our 'B' team, but he's still clearly a factor for Klinsmann and the USMNT moving forward. Onto the semis.

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    My favorite Landon moment of that game was him putting on the shades that were thrown at him. Pretty funny. Glad he's feeling motivated and having fun.

    Honduras tonight should be entertaining. We've certainly had problems with them this year.

    Apparently we passed Mexico in the world rankings last game
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    USMNT played quite well today, especially the first half. Landon once again on fire. Honduras started getting dirty/chippy at the end.

    Klinsy getting tossed was hilarious, not sure he really deserved that. Not sure if he's going to miss the final (I assume so), hopefully that doesn't affect our play/subs.
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    Yeah, the USMNT looked really sharp in the first half. They coasted in the second. That thing with Klins was weird...
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    Going to separate USMNT talk from CONCACAF/ref talk.

    USMNT was fantastic until they subbed out Beckerman and Donovan, and then their midfield left much to be desired. Shocked at how much I've grown to like Beckerman in this tourney. He's actually playing the Michael Bradley role AND PLAYING IT WELL. Never thought I'd say that. Landon is Landon. Other guys are going to have good and bad games, but those two are the tourney constants so far IMO.

    Stu Holden, we overrate because it's a good story and we want him to return to form, but he's not there yet. His long passes and shots were way off today. But it was GREAT to see him strong on the ball and actually sticking his nose in there on tackles today. Hadn't seen that yet in this tourney.

    DaMarcus Beasley worries me if he's really the best USMNT can do at RB for the WC XI. Assuming F Johnson is a lock at LB, but I still think Beasley is the leading candidate at RB and I just see way too much blah play.

    Wondo is coming back to earth, which should surprise no one. He has a penchant for poaching in the six-yard box (though he's just as likely to whiff IMO), but he's useless outside of it. Klinsy Ball requires a striker who can hold the ball and link up with advancing midfielders, while also threatening to make runs past the defense if they press a high line and leave too much space between defenders. Wondo can neither hold nor run, and it makes him no more than a Super Sub hopeful IMO.

    I'd say the Gold Cup is teaching us the following: Landon is in the starting XI (duh), Beckerman is on the squad somewhere, Besler should still be a starting CB, Mix Diskerud might be this squad's Feilhaber, and Eddie Johnson is likely Jozy's top backup. Beyond that, I think the WC starting XI is primarily A-squad guys who aren't in this tourney.

    Re: CONCACAF and officiating...

    I'm just fed up with CONCACAF and their constantly abysmal officiating, but I'm also resigned. What are ya gonna do? Jack Warner is corrupt as hell. He doesn't care about officiating. The officiating alternates between incompetent-but-no-bias and clearly-biased-so-as-to-be-incompetent. I'm sick of the same ****** refs with agendas officiating every game. I'm not a conspiracy theory ref guy, but CONCACAF is like if the NFL was just OK with replacement refs deciding every game, instead of acting on the one they botched and replacing them. The official today was an absolute disgrace, and there are few things in soccer worse than an official who warns 20 players but cards none. It became more about respecting his authority than it did actually controlling the game, and that sucks for everyone involved.

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    I was completely shocked to find out Panama upset Mexico. Honestly, I was really looking forward to a USA-Mexico final. Since the US had lost to Mexico in two straight Gold Cup finals, I was hoping they would be able to reclaim the trophy against them. That said, the USA still has to win the trophy. Panama beat Mexico, so it's not like they don't have a title in them, especially since last time they made it this far, it took the USA penalties to defeat them.

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    Should be an entertaining match today. I think Panama will be a much more difficult opponent than the ones we've played so far and this will be a tighter game. No Jurgen, but I think they can use that as a rallying cry and come out strong. I see a 2-1 US win
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    Oh man, when Stu went down I was holding my breath. Thank goodness it was just a sprain
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    Couple point blank chances missed by Brek and especially EJ, but nice work with Shea coming in and getting that goal. Panama played really tough, and it's a great victory considering that they had a lot of their A team players in the tourney. Overall great experience for all involved, hopefully 3-5 of these players end up on the WC qualifying A team.

    And you gotta give Jurgen a ton of credit. It looked really bad for him early on in the year and he has completely turned this team around. Great work.
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    Eddie Johnson reminding all of us why he missed the 2010 Cup. Look he seems like an OK guy, but everybody can hopefully put it in back in their pants now over him. I still think he's a long shot to make the squad personally, he is such a ball stopper and if the opposition packs it in he is borderline useless.

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    Things I learned in the GC...

    1. The WC roster was largely in place, and as expected, this was just used to test the fringe/Donovan.

    2. Donovan passed the test with flying colors. No way he's not in the WC starting XI.

    3. Players who I think will definitely be on WC squad after GC: Diskerud, Rimando, Besler, Beasley, Corona, Donovan (duh).

    4. Players who I think MAY be on WC squad after GC: Beckerman, Goodson, Torres, Bedoya, Shea

    5. Players who I think are longshots, but still possible, for WC squad: Parkhurst, Holden.

    6. No way Wondo is on the WC squad. Just way too limited vs real competition. Can't run, can't hold, combo potential is limited.

    7. Beasley is at his best when he overlaps, and needs to overlap more.

    8. Beckerman is a lot better than I previously gave him credit for. He can actually play the Michael Bradley Lite role, and play it well. Question is whether or not they have the roster space for that.

    9. Even if Holden hadn't gotten hurt, his form just isn't there yet. After a strong start, his play fell off dramatically. He had the right ideas/mentality, though. Just needed more reps striking the ball. And, well...

    10. Parkhurst is neither a strong individual defender nor provides anything going forward. No thanks.

    11. Besler is quietly shaping up to be one of the better CBs the USMNT has had in a while. Very quietly goes about his business, but very effectively.

    12. I'm not in love with Bedoya like others are. Everyone talks about his aggression, but I think his first touch fails him more often than not and he doesn't see the field the way Donovan/Beckerman/Mix see the field.

    13. I still want to see Donovan & Zusi on field at the same time, see how that works. Especially with Donovan vs Dempsey position.

    14. Eddie Johnson was just Eddie Johnson. I don't know if that's better, worse or equal to Herculez Gomez. I do know that Jozy Altidore is markedly better than anyone else, and Wondo is markedly more limited than anyone else.

    15. I still think JK has a hard-on for Torres, and for as amazingly limited at Torres is, he can still serve up dimes, so as long as he can do that, he'll have some use on this squad. Just fringe roster use, though.

    16. Rimando is really, really good. As always, USMNT is insanely deep at GK.

    17. This is the first time I can remember USMNT having this many viable options in the midfield. It's showing in possession and pacing of late. Still some question marks up top (Jozy is the man, but how much should we buy into recent success?) and on backline (namely, who and if they can defend set pieces), but midfield seems to be in a class that can play with anyone in the world. A lot of lineup possibilities here I'll be excited to see.

    18. The biggest thing that's changed for USMNT since JK has taken over and installed his approach? First touch. Bob Bradley wasn't a terrible coach, but preached athleticism above all else. So last cycle, the US had a bunch of athletes with steel-toed boots. Now, first touch, to a man, is amazingly evolved, and passing combinations are much more one-touch-go than ever before. Quite honestly, this is how you compete, technically, with top class squads. You develop a good first touch and tactical awareness of where to send the ball next.

    19. The USMNT has 3-5 more shots on goal each game in this tourney if Fabian Johnson is playing LB and overlapping. Backs were terrible/terribly inconsistent about overlapping in this tourney. Seeing Johnson back will be a welcome sight.

    20. I hate CONCACAF.

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    Pretty much agree with most of that. I'm really sad for Holden, just absolutely sucks for him. Not sure what will come of it as he's getting an MRI tomorrow, but Klinsmann said it didn't look good. He was able to walk off the field on his own, for what that's worth.

    Beckerman was a complete surprise. I honestly was not a huge fan of him, but he did an excellent job this GC. Not sure he can make the team still. Mix did a very good job this tourney, he definitely will get called up for WCQ.

    Not a fan of Torres, he's just not good enough. Parkhurst is average and did a poor job of initiating any offense at all. It sucked when he got the ball because it would just stagnate. Bedoya I thought did a good job today. His ball in for the goal was good, and he had some nice movement with the ball.

    I thought Rimando was excellent, even though he didn't have a ton of clean sheets. I don't know where all these awesome GKs come from, but Howard better watch his back.

    I am a huge fan of Besler, he's really come a long way this year. And give a ton of credit to Goodson. He did a very good job this GC, enough to earn a spot on the WC roster I feel. Definitely feel Corona gets called up too, but I doubt he'd play much.

    Our striker situation isn't too great. Outside of Jozy, there really isn't much. Don't see Wondo making the team, and likely it'll be Eddie. If you bring him off the bench I think he could be a good spark. But as long as Jozy is getting good playing time over at Sunderland this year, then I don't see him loosing that spot anytime soon.

    Klinsmann deserves a ton of credit for how things have changed. It's SO much more fun to watch this team than under Bradley. We just need to continue to get more talented players to get interested in soccer and continue to improve the talent pool.
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    As someone who has had the Lochman test performed on my knee, I know how much movement there should be if the ACL is still doin' it's thing and just my layman look as they did it to him on the sidelines there appeared to be way too much movement in his knee, hope I'm wrong, but yeah it didn't look good for Stu

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    Here is the thing, the team is doing EXACTLY what JK said they would do. Dominant midfield play, serviceable back play, and ATTACK at all costs, this is German soccer at its best and it is why everyeone should be thrilled JK is at the helm. He knew it would take time and I am glad he got it, but I honestly feel now we have a plan that can work.

    I am a bit concerned about how Dempsey fits into all of this Clint is a fantastic individual talent, but the fact of the matter is he's a bit of a ball stopper and right now this team is thriving with good quick touches, it's not quite Spain (obviously), but it is a similar theory like Spain lite almost and when it's functioning at its best you get great criss crossing runs from the middies that really make life hell on opposing center backs. I am excited to see them at full whack in the WC

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    Honestly, there is a lot to play out over the next 12 months or so, but don't be surprised if our back up striker so to speak isn't just bringing on a midfielder and moving Dempsey or Landon further up the pitch if you need to get Jozy a break.

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    Here is the thing, the team is doing EXACTLY what JK said they would do. Dominant midfield play, serviceable back play, and ATTACK at all costs, this is German soccer at its best and it is why everyeone should be thrilled JK is at the helm. He knew it would take time and I am glad he got it, but I honestly feel now we have a plan that can work.

    I am a bit concerned about how Dempsey fits into all of this Clint is a fantastic individual talent, but the fact of the matter is he's a bit of a ball stopper and right now this team is thriving with good quick touches, it's not quite Spain (obviously), but it is a similar theory like Spain lite almost and when it's functioning at its best you get great criss crossing runs from the middies that really make life hell on opposing center backs. I am excited to see them at full whack in the WC
    He is definitely the odd fit of the group, but I think you still emphasize an odd fit like Dempsey. He's the guy who's going to inexplicably poach goals in the 6, attempt wondergoal shots from 30 yds out and put a few in the net. I really do have faith that somehow, it will work. Dempsey has never been a conventional player, and I think his creativity will fit this attack regardless of which position he plays. Some guys just have that magic touch, and you stay with them until it runs out.

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