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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

    Originally posted by Goyle View Post
    It just kinda comes off as trolling when he says things like "You can't win with George Hill as your starting PG" and then goes on to say we need someone like Monta to create his own shot when George was the ONLY person creating his own shot.
    Thank You. I was not going respond to any of those posts.

    I was asking a serious question, not flaming him. Until that post I've only used the T word on 2 people on this board and I bet anyone can guess who those 2 are.
    "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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    • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

      I think the main problem was Paul George continuing to fall in love with the 3. He needs to start creating different kind of shots.

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      • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

        Its probably no worse than for us who attend games and have to put up with it. We desperately want indiana to support pacers and these people take them for granted.
        "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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        • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

          PG's becoming far too much of a 3 & D guy and it disturbs me. This is his takeover year, All Star, focal point of the offense. That is how bad habits that are hard to break get formed.

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          • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

            Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
            Can we talk about Paul George specifically? The rest of the guys...they are what they are. But I'm starting to get really disappointed in PG24, even considering I know it's very much a timeline of "getting it" that may not come into full effect for another few years. I get that, but still, this has been a month of him just playing so damn lackadaisically. It's almost infectious, and it's taking over almost every aspect of his game. It's not like "he looks like he doesn't wanna be out there" ... that's freaking dumb. But it just looks like "well...I guess I'll do this and...no, that didn't work....well, shucks, maybe next time!"

            It's 3am so none of that makes sense, I'm sure, but the way he's playing is just really grating to me right now.
            My main problem is that HE GOT IT. For a portion of the season, he absolutely understood what he needed to do to be successful, and HE DID IT. Since the All Star selection, it's iso mid-range jumpers, quick pull up threes, fade away mid range shots with JJ BAREA defending. To be honest, at this point I'm stunned his defense hasn't suffered since the All Star Game.

            I don't think these are unbreakable habits, but man, someone needs to get on him about his shot selection or we might be looking at his ceiling.

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            • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

              I grew up as a diehard Yankees fan. I went to Commisky park in Chicago to see MY team play against the White Sox. Believe me I wasn't the only Yankees fan there! The Yankees were perrenial World Series winners and drew fans such as myself to other AL parks to see them play. Vnzla is right that winners do that. It's just the way it is.

              Something that no one has mentioned is that the Lakers only play 1 game a year in Indy, so Lakers fans have only 1 opportunity to see their team play. Also no one has mentioned how many Celtic fans were in MSA when Bird played here. Again, it happens, and Hill needs to keep his mouth shut about it. He played here last season, so he knows how it is. He's not so upset that it kept him from signing a 5 year 40 mil contract to stay here. If he's that upset, he can always ask for a trade. Otherwise, do his job and make those opposing fans leave BLF with their heads hanging down from beating their team. It's just that simple.

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              • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                After tonight I'm thinking we don't get out of the second round.
                i started to think that before tonight. our bench sucks and we are still way too sloppy. even first round won't be easy.
                Last edited by xtacy; 03-16-2013, 06:50 AM.

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                • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                  .

                  Personally, the fans deserve a lot more blame than the refs. They didn't do their job.

                  Hill and the rest of the Pacer players didn't do their job to the best of their ability, or they would have won instead of losing. Laying any blame on the fans is absolute BS. The fans are spending their hard earned money to watch those who make millions not doing their job! The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the players not the fans.

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                  • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                    Originally posted by Goyle View Post
                    It just kinda comes off as trolling when he says things like "You can't win with George Hill as your starting PG" and then goes on to say we need someone like Monta to create his own shot when George was the ONLY person creating his own shot.
                    Again, b/c their statement isn't agreed to by others does that makes it trolling?There was nothing outlandish about their statement to invoke the TROLLING CARD.

                    If I said the Pacers will never win a Championship with Hill as PG, is that trolling too? Or is that my personal opinion that some might disagree with?

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                    • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                      If PG doesn't learn to put the ball on the floor and actually create offense off the dribble, and at the VERY least go to the rim, I honestly have no problem dangling him as top tier trade bait. He showed monumental improvement for the first 4 months or so of the year, then he mad the All Star team and it's complete gone to ****. He's an All Star and the primary perimeter option all season, and he's digressing. He's acting like JOB's the coach. You make an All Star team any "he's young, he'll learn" curve is done as far as I'm concerned. The guy's digressed and become the most passive he's ever been.

                      Making a single All Star game, because you're on a pretty good team and you're the most athletic guy, doesn't mean you made it. PG's approach to basketball since the break is gross. He's the best player on the team, time to take the kid gloves off.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        30 Free throws attempted for LA vs 9 for IND. And you think this game was officiated well??? LMAO
                        I'm sorry I just hate the age old argument that if the free throw spread isn't even that the game wasn't called fair. We got called for a lot of fouls because we couldn't help but foul Dwight/wanted to foul Dwight. They didn't get called for a lot of fouls because we settled for jumpers and were too damn afraid to go to the paint where you draw fouls (because of Dwight, although we didn't do it when he was on the bench either). That's the effect Dwight has on a game.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                          I was afraid this would happen.
                          We had a stretch where we were blowing teams out and a lot of it was because we were hitting 3s.
                          We are such an immature team. When the going gets tuff we lose composure and do the easiest thing (jack up 3s).

                          Vogel should have sat George down a minute after a couple of those quick clunkers.

                          They are not drilled enough to understand what works. Team ball goes to crap.
                          Remember "we're learning to trust each other"?
                          Clearly they need another lesson.

                          Our passing generally sucks.
                          We need another good point. A steady guy who can deliver into the paint and can stay in front of quick guards.

                          A scorer off the bench (Danny?) would help tremendously! Both for his points and added smart fouls and much needed rest for our starters.

                          Mostly they just need to grow up.

                          George looks (and plays like) a gangly kid all too much.
                          He should play offense like Dr. J and D up like Pippen. Too often he looks like their spindly kid brother. He's young.

                          Same for Lance. I like him a lot but he's just a little punk right now.

                          We fixed the back up 5 problem from last year I think. Other than that we seam to have the same problems.
                          Last edited by solid; 03-16-2013, 10:17 AM.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                            after the hour and half drive home and a fitful sleep, these are the things that stick out first and foremost after last night's nauseating display:

                            -27 3pt attempts
                            -9 Motherf#@!ing free throws
                            -17 assists
                            -Laker fans everywhere

                            Those first three points are completely unacceptable. Every game we lose, we chuck a ton a threes. It's a sign of lazy offense, only bolstered by our joke of an inside attack and lack of sharing the ball. That 30-9 free throw ratio has nothing to do with poor officiating and everything to do with not attacking the rim. We had Dwight Howard in foul trouble for the entire second half and for some ponderous reason decided the best way to take advantage of that was to start chucking outside shots. As good as Hibbert played against Toronto, he was the Charmin poster boy, the epitome of SOFT. Your man (who you have 3" and 20 lbs on) is playing with 4 fouls and you throw up that weak *** hook shot instead of taking it hard to the rim...all freakin night. I don't know if I put more blame on Hibbert with his girly-man game or Vogel for allowing it.

                            Whoever came up with that "smashmouth basketball" should be smashed in the mouth with a basketball.

                            And that sea of purple and yellow makes me want to punch a baby. George Hill is spot on.
                            Last edited by Brinocerous; 03-16-2013, 10:11 AM.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Lakers Postgame Thread 3/15/13

                              Originally posted by ndcoltsnpacers View Post
                              I'm sorry I just hate the age old argument that if the free throw spread isn't even that the game wasn't called fair. We got called for a lot of fouls because we couldn't help but foul Dwight/wanted to foul Dwight. They didn't get called for a lot of fouls because we settled for jumpers and were too damn afraid to go to the paint where you draw fouls (because of Dwight, although we didn't do it when he was on the bench either). That's the effect Dwight has on a game.
                              I didn't see the game, so it might very well be that the FT disparity was warranted. But, it's not the 30 FT's the Lakers shot that concerns me, it's that the Pacers only shot 9. That's really hard to believe. If that's all they earned, then that's even more troubling and a sign that they weren't being aggressive enough in taking the ball to the rim. Either way, whether it was the refs or the lack of aggression, this isn't a good thing.

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                              • Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                                http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...ll-transcript/



                                Brandon Bisker ‏@BadBisky

                                Hill's comments made SportsCenter. The pathetic Indy fans getting clowned for how bad they suck.
                                Of course Sports Center would jump on this Pacers story! God I hate them!

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