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    Default Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder



    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151159/article/elvis-dumervil-released-by-denver-broncos-after-fax-blunder



    Well that sucks for them. You lose your best pass rusher to a fax machine.

    Hopefully Freeney hasn't signed yet so he can play for the Broncos now.
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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    His agent is ruined may never get another job. How can he be so careless?? When your client has that much money at stake I would be in the building on deadline day.


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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    How much money do the Colts have left? LOL

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    His agent is ruined may never get another job. How can he be so careless?? When your client has that much money at stake I would be in the building on deadline day.


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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    Wow. Good bye agent.

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    How much money do the Colts have left? LOL
    Colts have spent $34.3M cap dollars
    By Paul Kuharsky | ESPN.com


    The figures I have access to said the Colts had $43.427 million of salary-cap room back on Feb 21. There may have been some jiggling of that number before free agency opened on Tuesday.

    Since then, they’ve re-signed defensive lineman Fili Moala and cornerback Darius Butler, and brought in seven free agents: Right tackle Gosder Cherilus, safety LaRon Landry, defensive lineman Ricky Jean Francois, cornerback Greg Toler, outside linebacker Erik Walden, guard Donald Thomas and outside linebacker Lawrence Sidbury. The Colts also put a franchise tender on punter Pat McAfee at $2.977 million.

    Collectively, they will count $34,330,333 against the cap.

    The team cut safety Tom Zbikowski today, gaining $1.158 million against the cap. So the Colts have roughly $10.181 million in salary-cap room remaining.

    Still enough to make some acquisitions if they want to.

    General manager Ryan Grigson, who was named NFL Executive of the Year in his first season, said in a news conference this morning that he feels great about the roster work the Colts have been able to do.

    "I really feel like you need to strike a balance [with free agency and the draft] and if there’s players that you can get and help create more competition and raise the bar and you know is going to make your team better as a whole, you have to at least explore those options. Even from the beginning, just seeing guys that we played against, the scout in me, you see guys and I say, ‘Wow, this guy plays hard, or this guy has a great inside move.’ You take mental notes of all your opponents. We played against LaRon this year. We played against Walden. We watched the film. We go through a process with all the pro scouts and then the coaches remember who they couldn’t block. It’s an entire process. You whittle it down, you target your guys and you look at how much money Jim [Irsay] is willing to spend, and as opposed to last year, we were in a completely different situation, so why not take advantage of that? I had the complete support of a great owner who’s been ultra-supportive in this whole process. He’s as passionate, if not more passionate than any of us. When you talk to him, he wanted to be aggressive. I wanted to be aggressive. Chuck [Pagano] did, because we want to win. I think you have to take these opportunities to acquire talent wholeheartedly, and I feel we did as an organization.”

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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    Does that $10mill include the money for drafted picks and undrafted FA's? Will they just hold onto the capspace for people cut loose during camp and next year's crop of our own FA's?
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    Hmmm...good question. If I had to guess the $10mil do not include the prospected draft picks.
    On a side note, read somewhere that last year's Colts draft picks counted like around 4 mil against the cap.
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    I wonder if it was through fax

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...res-his-agent/

    Elvis Dumervil fires his agent

    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 16, 2013, 7:19 PM EDT

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    The bizarre series of events that unfolded on Friday, when Elvis Dumervil agreed to a restructured contract with the Broncos, only to get cut because his revised contract didn’t make it to the team’s fax machine in time, has cost Dumervil’s agent his job.

    Agent Marty Magid told Mike Garafolo of USA Today that Dumervil called him Saturday afternoon to say he wants to “move in another direction.”

    Magid said Broncos fans have inundated him with angry emails, although he also claims that the Broncos deserve some of the blame for trying to make late changes to Dumervil’s deal. Magid added that he has waived the usual five-day waiting period for players to hire a new agent, so Dumervil can hire a new agent immediately.

    “It’s terrible, but he said he knows what happened and why it happened,” Magid said. “I know the people in Denver think I should be fired, but like I said [Friday], there were a lot of reasons for why it happened.”

    Dumervil is now an unrestricted free agent, and Magid said several teams have already called him to express interest.

    “I had teams lined up that were interested in him,” Magid said. “They’ll have to contact his new guy now.”

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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    I've seen both fax and emails take hrs to get to their destination, why?? I dunno, but I've seen it mumerous times.
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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

    People still use fax machines?

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    Default Re: Elvis Dumerville Released by the Broncos over fax blunder

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    I've seen both fax and emails take hrs to get to their destination, why?? I dunno, but I've seen it mumerous times.
    If it's a fax to fax send then the reason it takes hours for a fax to get to its destination is because the sender didn't send it when he said he did.... or the receiver didn't bother to check the fax machine (or whoever in the office responsible for checking faxes didn't get it to the recipient when it arrived). A fax to fax send is a direct connection between machines so there's no technical reason it would be delayed once it is sent. It either receives it or it doesn't. Now if there is a service involved where email is involved in the process then we're back to email being a culprit.
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    If it's a fax to fax send then the reason it takes hours for a fax to get to its destination is because the sender didn't send it when he said he did.... or the receiver didn't bother to check the fax machine (or whoever in the office responsible for checking faxes didn't get it to the recipient when it arrived). A fax to fax send is a direct connection between machines so there's no technical reason it would be delayed once it is sent. It either receives it or it doesn't. Now if there is a service involved where email is involved in the process then we're back to email being a culprit.
    A fax to fax connection is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

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    This is the most overlooked storyline in the SB

    The fax mishap that cost the Broncos Elvis Dumervil, and its impact on Super Bowl XLVIII

    It was one of the more bizarre sequences of last or any NFL offseason. A quick review of the stupid fax foibles that cost the Broncos a re-signed Elvis Dumervil, and how that could impact the biggest game of the year.


    When the Denver Broncos take the field Sunday in New York, they'll be doing so without a player who had been a vital part of their defensive efforts for the last half-decade. And while players get lost to injury or cut for cap reasons all the time, the story of how Denver came to be without star pass-rusher Elvis Dumervil was one of the strangest sequences of the off-season.

    Denver wanted their "Gloom and Doom" pass rush tandem of Dumervil (Doom, presumably) and Von Miller intact for 2013, but Doom was going to need to take a pay cut. Denver and Dumervil's agent, Marty Magid, went back and forth for more than a week before finally agreeing to cut Dumervil's 2013 base salary from $12 million to $8 million.


    And then, things got weird.

    As well as the story can be reconstructed, Dumervil assented to the new deal about 35 minutes before the 4 p.m. negotiating deadline. But with Magid in his office in Philadelphia and Dumervil in Miami, logistics got a tad tricky. Somehow, it fell to Dumervil to find a Miami Kinkos to fax his signed contract to Denver, and said fax failed to arrive at Broncos HQ until six minutes after the deadline. At 3:59, the Broncos informed the league that they were cutting Dumervil rather than face a $13 million-plus cap charge for the season. When the story broke, a basic set of questions erupted, such as:

    Is fax technology the best way for billion-dollar organizations to consummate multi-million dollar deals in 2013?
    While Miami > Philly in March, would it maaaaybe have been worth Dumervil's time to be on hand with his agent as negotiations reached the critical stage?
    Was part of the delay due to the fact that Magid was wearing his pants on his head?
    Magid was promptly fired by Dumervil and later fined and suspended by the Players' Association for his role in the fiasco, and Elvis himself ended up signing a five-year, $35 million (with incentives) deal with the Ravens after spurning the Broncos' subsequent attempt to bring him back into the fold.

    Regardless of who's to shoulder what portion of the blame for the bizarre blunder, Denver found itself without one of the league's top pass rushers as they started the 2013 season. They've overcome that handicap to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, but what was the season-long impact of losing Dumervil and how will his absence impact their chances on February 2nd?

    First off, it's important to take a look at the Broncos' overall cap situation in the context of their 2013 roster moves. Per the latest figures available at OverTheCap.com, Denver ended up with a 2013 cap spend of $120.9 million, leaving them with just over $6.6 million in cap room. Had they brought Dumervil back at his original $12 million base salary, they'd have been over the cap with all their other offseason moves held constant. But had Denver successfully inked (or lasered, or whatever goes onto a facsimile transmission) Dumervil to the agreed-upon pay cut, they would only have seen a net $4.75 million increase in their cap (factoring in the original contract's pro-rated bonus money against the $4.8 million dead money figure that Dumervil ended up slapping on their cap this year).

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    Denver's impact offseason acquisitions -- corner Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, receiver Wes Welker and defensive tackle Terrance "Pot Roast" Knighton -- were already signed four days prior to the fax fiasco, so it's not as if the Dumervil Dollar Delta "freed up" resources to make those moves. The surplus cash arguably enabled some lower-impact additions like Quentin Jammer and Paris Lenon, as well as freeing some extra 2013 dollars to be thrown in to left tackle Ryan Clady's big-money extension.

    But in terms of on-field impact for this year's Broncos, the assessment really comes down to Dumervil versus Shaun Phillips. Phillips was signed to a one-year deal in April, ostensibly as a backup to Von Miller though he ended up logging all of his snaps at Dumervil's vacated defensive end spot.

    So how has that swap worked out for Denver?

    The NFL is a pass-first league, so any roster changes should be evaluated first and foremost on their pass-game impact. Phillips' season looks solid at first glance, as his top-line figure of 11 sacks wasn't too far off from Dumervil's three-year average of 13.7 from 2009-2012 (Dumervil missed the 2010 season with a torn pec). But sacks only tell part of the story for any pass rusher.

    Fortunately, the Pro Football Focus boys have plenty of time on their hands to dig deeper into advanced metrics, and their Pass Rushing Productivity score is a great measure of total pass rush impact -- factoring in a rusher's sacks, QB hits and pressures against their total number of pass rush opportunities. Dumervil averaged a 10.1 percent PRP score from 2009-12 (and logged a tremendous 15.1% this year in Baltimore) against Phillips' 8.6 percent mark for the Broncos this season. What's more, Phillips' ability to get hands on the QB seemed to tail off as the season went on -- he logged a combined 12 sacks or QB hits in the season's first 10 games while amassing a mere three during the final six contests. He did bag Philip Rivers twice in the Divisional Round, but on balance, it's fair to say that Denver suffered at least a moderate pass rush downgrade when Dumervil left town.

    On the run side of the ledger, both PFF's Run ratings and the eyeball test confirm that Phillips brings more to the table as a run defender than Dumervil. Stout run defense has been a Denver staple this season even after the loss of Derek Wolfe, and every little bit helps when you're about to face Beast Mode. Taken in toto, Denver's secondary could be the determining factor in just how much the Broncos end up missing Dumervil against Seattle.

    Without Dumervil and Von Miller, the Broncos' pass rush has relied much more on delivering pass rush pressure along a broad front and bagging coverage sacks than it has on elite rushers quickly defeating blocks and ruining blocking schemes. Knighton and Malik Jackson have been an effective interior pass-rush tandem, but Denver's mediocre pass defense (ranked 21st by FootballOutsiders) reinforces that pressure often hasn't arrived swiftly enough to save a beleaguered secondary. The good news for Denver is that a healthy Champ Bailey played well in their defeat of the Patriots, and he may more than make up for the loss of slot corner Chris Harris Jr.

    The Seahawks' roster of pass-catchers is just OK, and the biggest threat might come from Percy Harvin on the kinds of screens and hitches that the pass rush can't impact much anyways. A strong effort from the secondary could yield some coverage sacks, but you want to get as much heat as possible on a guy who's as mobile and creative as Russell Wilson. If Shaun Phillips and the rest of the Broncos' front can keep Wilson in the pocket and prevent him from creating his special brand of downfield magic on broken plays, Denver has the advantage to carrying the day and Lombardi Trophy. If they can't, the Broncos could find themselves wishing that a faulty fax hadn't taken Elvis out of the building.

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