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  • #1

    Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

    Glad nothing happened... I get using a plane to go from Chicago to Indy its only 30 minutes as opposed to the 3 hour drive on I-65 otherwise..

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story...orrowing-rides

    Mark Cuban lends plane to Bulls

    A scary midair incident over the weekend had the Chicago Bulls borrowing airplanes to get around this week.

    On Saturday night, the Bulls were flying to Indianapolis for Sunday's game against the Pacers.

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    "Apparently a compressor in engine No. 3 had some trouble, and it sounded like it exploded, but I guess it's like a jet engine backfire, which is very loud," Bulls radio analyst Bill Wennington said Monday on ESPN 1000's "Waddle & Silvy Show." "Sparks fly out of it. It happened actually right after ... the captain thrusts the engines forward and it revs up and starts to go, about three seconds after that you hear a 'Boom!' 'Oh, what was that, are we stopping?' The plane keeps going down [the runway] and you're thinking, 'Oh no, why aren't we stopping?'

    "It was funny, because we're in the back of the plane, and the engines are right by us, and we hear it. They can't hear it [in the front of the plane]. And apparently they couldn't feel anything. And so we take off fine, and about five minutes later, two more booms, 'Boom!, Boom!,' and a couple people saw flames and sparks and stuff flying out [while looking out of] the window. We're all thinking, 'Well, it's been nice.'"

    The plane turned around and landed back at O'Hare. The players were sent home and returned the next morning to fly to Indy on the Chicago Blackhawks' charter plane, which they used to return to Chicago after the game.

    "Honestly, it was really scary," Bulls television analyst Stacey King told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on Tuesday. "We thought we were going to go down. And so they turned us back around and got us back to the airport. We made it back safely. ... So, thank God, we made it back and we were blessed to land safely.

    "After getting on the ground that night, I was ready to get on a bicycle and ride to Indy. I was shook for a little bit."

    King said the pilots did a good job of getting the plane back to the airport.

    "I'm not going to sit up here and lie, if I had a teddy bear, I probably would have been grabbing it," he said. "It was a frightening situation. Our pilots did a good job of getting us back down. You can fly with one engine. We had an extra engine, so they had two engines left. So we weren't in any kind of danger as far as doing a nose dive. Whenever you see flames come out of an engine, that's a little bit scary."

    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lent the Bulls the Mavs' plane to fly to San Antonio on Monday night and to return after Wednesday's game. Bulls forward Lou Amundson tweeted his appreciation to Cuban for the lift.

    "Our plane broke, @mcuban loaned us his, nice guy...," Amundson tweeted in the early hours of Thursday morning. Cuban later retweeted it.

    Wennington said there was no panic on the plane Saturday.

    "We turn around, everything was fine, other than that you wouldn't have known -- after the second boom the plane dropped and rattled a little bit -- but other than that you wouldn't have known anything was wrong, and we landed back safely," he said. "There's three engines on the plane, and everything was fine and it worked out, but while it's happening to you up there, and you're looking down and you're 10,000 feet in the air, you're thinking, 'Hmmmm.'

    "It was amazing how quiet it was. Everyone was pretty serious about it. Everyone remained pretty calm, but you can see a lot of faces of concern and a couple of Hail Marys going up, but other than that, no [panic]."

    The Bulls' plane is expected to be fixed and used for the rest of the season.
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    Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

    Hell nah. Id be pulling a royce white!
    If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

    @LetsTalkPacers

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    • #3
      Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

      3 engines in the rear, what do they fly on?!? A DC-10? That's an OLD plane.

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        Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

        Originally posted by Mr.ThunderMakeR View Post
        3 engines in the rear, what do they fly on?!? A DC-10? That's an OLD plane.
        They haven't made 3 engine planes in like 15 years. C'mon, Bulls. Get your team a real plane.

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          Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

          Doris Burke was amazed at how Noah was able to return the plane safely, especially being as tired as he was logging heavy minutes.


          @Pacers24Colts12

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            I'm really glad they are ok. That would be horrific for me.

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            • #7
              Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

              What is this, a small business? Last time I checked they were one of the most popular NBA teams, leading to many $$$. Come on now, get a good plane.
              Senior at the University of Louisville.
              Greenfield ---> The Ville

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                Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                Originally posted by LetsTalkPacers84 View Post
                Hell nah. Id be pulling a royce white!
                I really cant say it any better than this. I was gunna try, but that sums it up and hits the point. LOL

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                  Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                  Originally posted by Steagles View Post
                  What is this, a small business? Last time I checked they were one of the most popular NBA teams, leading to many $$$. Come on now, get a good plane.
                  With Jerry Reinsdorf as the owner? Yes he does run it like a business and only in it to make money. Not a chance they get a nice plane on his watch he is so freaking cheap. He basically owns the Bulls to make money and the Whitesoxs are his "baby:. He basically owns the Bulls to pay his Whitesoxs. The fans deserve better no owner in the league should be so cheap when the team makes money. As an owner you should put damn near all the money the team makes back into the team and it is a shame he is stealing from the fans.

                  If Herb Simon and the Pacers drew revenue like the Bulls I would be furious if he didn't go into the tax to improve the team. There is no excuse or how Reinsdorf runs his team. Sterling has always been considered cheap but I find what Reinsdorf much worse.


                  He has never lost money any year while owning the Bulls in fact he makes above 50% profit most years. The Bulls year in and year out are the most profitable team in the league. Yet the owner refuses to pay the LT he is a terrible greedy owner. He is no Jerry Buss or Al Davis that is for sure.

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                    Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    Yet the owner refuses to pay the LT he is a terrible greedy owner. He is no Jerry Buss or Al Davis that is for sure.
                    They're paying the LT this year, and they'll be right up against it next season even after amnestying Boozer.
                    “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                      Cool on Mark Cuban for loaning his plane

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                        Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        With Jerry Reinsdorf as the owner? Yes he does run it like a business and only in it to make money. Not a chance they get a nice plane on his watch he is so freaking cheap. He basically owns the Bulls to make money and the Whitesoxs are his "baby:. He basically owns the Bulls to pay his Whitesoxs. The fans deserve better no owner in the league should be so cheap when the team makes money. As an owner you should put damn near all the money the team makes back into the team and it is a shame he is stealing from the fans.

                        If Herb Simon and the Pacers drew revenue like the Bulls I would be furious if he didn't go into the tax to improve the team. There is no excuse or how Reinsdorf runs his team. Sterling has always been considered cheap but I find what Reinsdorf much worse.


                        He has never lost money any year while owning the Bulls in fact he makes above 50% profit most years. The Bulls year in and year out are the most profitable team in the league. Yet the owner refuses to pay the LT he is a terrible greedy owner. He is no Jerry Buss or Al Davis that is for sure.
                        I knew the Bulls owner owned a second team, and for some reason I thought it was the Blackhawks. That's why I was like... Why cant the Bulls have a similar plane if the Hawks' plane is taking them around...?
                        Senior at the University of Louisville.
                        Greenfield ---> The Ville

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                          Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                          I know in the NFL you can not own any other sports teams.

                          I assumed that was standard for all leagues. Guess that is not correct.

                          Interesting

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                            Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            They're paying the LT this year, and they'll be right up against it next season even after amnestying Boozer.
                            I thought they got under it this off season. The reason they let all the bench go was so they didn't have to pay the tax. I don't get letting the best bench in basketball walking when the teams draws so much revenue.


                            I wonder if they will trade Nikola Mirotic. I bet they will try to sign him this season. If he doesn't sign this off season he doesn't have to get the rookie pay scale. I could see him getting a bigger contract than Pekovic(who was also a 1st rd pick) got when he came over after waiting out the rookie pay scale due to a buyout. Nikola needs the money to pay his buyout so I could easily see him getting MLE type money.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Scary plane incident has the Bulls borrowing rides

                              Nope. The LT is just over 70M and the Bulls salary is right around 73-74M, depending on which site. They have 77M locked up between 9 players next season. 15.3 goes to Boozer, Rip has an unguaranteed $5M. So even if both of those are let go, they're still at 57M with 7 players under contract. Gotta average less than 2M per player for the last 8 roster spots. They can do it, but it's gonna be an awfully short bench, or some players are going to have to sign some cheap contracts.
                              “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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