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Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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  • #31
    Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
    Where do you see him getting elbowed in the face? Pierce just raises up is harms to prevent PG from jumping over him to grab the ball.
    I can't seem to play that video. Says it's private.

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    • #32
      Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
      I can't seem to play that video. Says it's private.
      I fixed it.
      There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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      • #33
        Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

        I say it is a foul, for 2 reasons:

        1. Pierce grabbed Paul's jersey when he was going around the screen. Foul.
        2. Paul got to the spot first, began to lift, and Pierce backed into him, pushing him out of the play. It wasn't like Pierce was simply hilding his position, he got to the spot late (foul) and pushed Paul off (foul). EDIT: Also, Pierce wasn't making a play on the ball. He simply pushes Paul out of the way with his ***.

        However, I hate to see a game end on that call. Yet, a foul is a foul. So, yeah, you have to call that. That, or make it a rule that a guy has to either a) make more than $17M a seasons or b) be bleeding, in order to call a late foul.

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        • #34
          Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

          Now that I see that from the TV angle, George Hill deserves a lot of the blame for that IMO; Paul George made his cut and Hill did not pass him the ball until it was at least 1-1.5 seconds too late. If he had thrown that as Paul was finishing his move, I think PG would have jumped up to grab it. At least in that case there's some chance the ball goes in or he gets the foul. But he makes his move and then is stuck flat footed before Hill throws him the ball.

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          • #35
            Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

            Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
            Now that I see that from the TV angle, George Hill deserves a lot of the blame for that IMO; Paul George made his cut and Hill did not pass him the ball until it was at least 1-1.5 seconds too late. If he had thrown that as Paul was finishing his move, I think PG would have jumped up to grab it. At least in that case there's some chance the ball goes in or he gets the foul. But he makes his move and then is stuck flat footed before Hill throws him the ball.

            Paul George also did a horrible job picking Hibbert's man also wh9ich caused the whole play to break down. Also Roy did a horrible job by not waiting on Paul's pick.

            Refs aren't going to make that call because it had no chance because the pacers ran it horribly.

            I still don't think it is a foul at any point during a game.

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            • #36
              Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

              Originally posted by Steagles View Post
              Absolutely not a foul. However, that goaltending was wrongly called...


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              And the OJ block....
              And the Pierce Travel/Out of Bounds that was called Celts ball...
              And Lance getting thrown to the floor....

              Think I'm missing a few here.
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              • #37
                Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                And the OJ block....
                And the Pierce Travel/Out of Bounds that was called Celts ball...
                And Lance getting thrown to the floor....

                Think I'm missing a few here.
                I'm with you, except OJ's foul. He smoked Garnett, right in the face

                Off hand got KG, other hand cleanly blocked the shot.

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                • #38
                  Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                  Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                  And the OJ block....
                  And the Pierce Travel/Out of Bounds that was called Celts ball...
                  And Lance getting thrown to the floor....

                  Think I'm missing a few here.

                  The Pierce travel was because Paul George clearly pulled him. Denari and Buckner were in clear agreement. The out of bounds was a horrible call, but luckily they didn't end of scoring on that possession so it doesn't matter. When was Lance thrown to the floor?
                  Also, I agree with what derek said about the OJ play.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                    That is one specific time where it confuses me when people say Quinn is a homer. PG had his hand on Pierce, but I don't think he pulled him at all. If you get pulled by the arm, you're arm goes first, then your body reacts. Unless PP was pulling away from PG, his arm would have extended before he got pulled off balance.

                    Quinn says it a lot with pushes in the back. Just because a hand is there, doesn't automatically mean they're pushing or pulling.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                      Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
                      Where do you see him getting elbowed in the face? Pierce just raises up is harms to prevent PG from jumping over him to grab the ball.
                      LOL...wow!

                      My bad, I had only read the title and Bucks post. I wasn't even thinking of that play being the last (woo is me lol). I was thinking of the last play in which it lost the game for us, the one before when Pierce was on offense and threw an forearm / elbow into Paul's face and Paul's face done a 180 degree and took him out of the play for the Celtics to score and win the game. I most certainly don't think the .5 second play was a foul, hell I wasn't even recognizing this play as there wasn't even a question of a foul to discuss. I took it for granted that it was the other. Can I change my vote now!!!

                      Sorry for the mess up! OMG
                      Last edited by Pacer Fan; 03-07-2013, 01:29 PM.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                        I honestly dont think i would have called it, but that is a foul...you cant box out like that on an alley oop play, just saying as soon as you turn your back to a player and start boxing him out like that when the balls getting passed to him and is in the air, it becomes an illegal play. But oh well, its one regular season game. Pacers are fine. Not too worried about the Celtics in the playoffs to be honest. Watch last years playoffs again, Rondo carried them. They will not last in a 7 game series vs the Pacers.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                          1. You can clear see PG raise up for the ball as pierce begins to undercut him. He certainly made an attempt to catch the ball. That is a foul.
                          2. Those of you who say that the refs would never call that because the Pacers ran the play so horribly....that imply's that the refs have 20/20 hindsight in the present. No one can make that kind of determination on the fly, when the ball is in the air. Thats just a silly argument.
                          3. George Hill clearly under throws the pass, and thats pretty damn stupid on his part. He should have launched it towards the far side of the rim with force, thats the only way those types of plays even work.
                          4. Those who say they don't want the game ending on a foul call....you clearly do not understand the idea that if they called the fouls at the end of the game, then players would quickly learn not to purposely foul to try and break up a play at the end of the game. Which actually helps the game. Its a simple cause and effect.
                          5. If we subscribe to the idea that bad calls always even out, then we clearly should have been the beneficiary of that call, as the refs blew a goal tending call on PG just a handful of plays earlier, AND screwed up an out of bounds call where the ball when off of Pierce's knee, but they called Celtics ball. The crowd chimed in on that one after the replay and the refs should have known they probably got that one wrong. So Pacers clearly get rob out of points and possession in the final minutes of the game.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                            Here is a running joke I am enjoying on PD, in the same way whenever the Pacers seem to win a game a certain group always has to say "Yeah but team X was missing player Y" it seems that every time we lose a close game there is a thread telling us the refs blew a call.

                            You know who blew that game? The Pacers did. They had a 9 point lead with 4 to go after getting a couple low percentage 3s from Hill to drop and another one from Paul. You have to win games like that. Hill isn't going to always hit pull up 3s that are 3 feet behind the arc so when he does you better not squander the lead. The Pacers squandered the lead. They have only themselves to blame for a very good missed opportunity and they better not lay an egg against the damn Magic on Friday.


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                            • #44
                              Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                              My two cents...

                              This is why basketball is one of the toughest sports to officiate. I can see the argument both ways.

                              By the letter of the law, it was probably a foul. But by the letter of the law, there should probably be 10X more fouls called every game. And lane violations. And 3-second calls.

                              As a result, perspective becomes subjective and I think you have to ask yourself: "Should it have been called?" rather than "Was it a foul according to the rulebook?"

                              I voted no, but I don't feel strongly about it. I'm not sure why this is a foul and physical block-outs on rebounds are not. So for the sake of consistency, I like the no-call. If roles were reversed I don't make a big deal about it he other way, either.

                              I hated the play call and/or George Hill's decision, so I don't mind us not getting bailed out. It was a bad pass anyway.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

                                Originally posted by Randolph_HorseLips View Post
                                My two cents...

                                This is why basketball is one of the toughest sports to officiate. I can see the argument both ways.

                                By the letter of the law, it was probably a foul. But by the letter of the law, there should probably be 10X more fouls called every game. And lane violations. And 3-second calls.

                                As a result, perspective becomes subjective and I think you have to ask yourself: "Should it have been called?" rather than "Was it a foul according to the rulebook?"

                                I voted no, but I don't feel strongly about it. I'm not sure why this is a foul and physical block-outs on rebounds are not. So for the sake of consistency, I like the no-call. If roles were reversed I don't make a big deal about it he other way, either.

                                I hated the play call and/or George Hill's decision, so I don't mind us not getting bailed out. It was a bad pass anyway.
                                I agree and if Paul could've had a chance of a positive play with a proper pass in then I would have chewed on the fact no call was made. But the pass was terrible and Paul had no chance of a play and with that said, the refs shouldn't bail the Pacers out by calling a foul. The refs got it right and therefore this play is a moot point. As I botched up my first post, I never thought this was the play that was being discussed.
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