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    Default Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    There have been conflicting opinions around the forum, and I wanted to see how everyone felt about the last play.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    LOL this is actually kind of humorous.

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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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    LOL this is actually kind of humorous.
    In that tiring, "Why is this necessary" sort of way.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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    In that tiring, "Why is this necessary" sort of way.
    You are just acting like I am an idiot for thinking that it wasn't a foul. I figured we should get an opinion of the forum.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    Can't see that the refs are going to call that on the last play, George needed a running start toward the basket.

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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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    You are just acting like I am an idiot for thinking that it wasn't a foul. I figured we should get an opinion of the forum.
    I don't begrudge you for having an opinion that differs from mine.

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    Can't see that the refs are going to call that on the last play, George needed a running start toward the basket.
    My point on the topic was this:

    Pierce created contact with PG by moving backwards into him. Not only did he create contact, he then used his body to forcible move PG about 4-5 feet backwards while PG was attempting to make a play on the ball.

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    Definitely not.

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    The difference between this play and the one in Denver is that Iguodala actually was in the air. Paul never got off the ground. That being said, the call in Denver was atrocious but there was a lot more to see there. That played a role in the call being made.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    Worse non call ever damn you referees!!!!!

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    Worse non call ever damn you referees!!!!!
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    The difference between this play and the one in Denver is that Iguodala actually was in the air. Paul never got off the ground. That being said, the call in Denver was atrocious but there was a lot more to see there. That played a role in the call being made.
    So then the question becomes, why was Pierce not called for a blocking foul in this situation?

    If we're going to assert that since Paul was not completely airborne it doesn't count, then doesn't that mean that when he is attempting to cut to the basket in order to jump in the air to tip the ball and Pierce forcibly uses his body to force him out of the play...

    Sounds like a textbook blocking foul to me.
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    So then the question becomes, why was Pierce not called for a blocking foul in this situation?

    If we're going to assert that since Paul was not completely airborne it doesn't count, then doesn't that mean that when he is attempting to cut to the basket in order to jump in the air to tip the ball and Pierce forcibly uses his body to force him out of the play...

    Sounds like a textbook blocking foul to me.
    I can't remember the play exactly, but it seemed to me Pierce had better position than George did in Denver. Almost like a boxout. It's a mute point though, both calls shouldn't have been made.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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    I can't remember the play exactly, but it seemed to me Pierce had better position than George did in Denver. Almost like a boxout. It's a mute point though, both calls shouldn't have been made.
    You are correct. Pierce had very good position. Until the ball actually went into the air out of the inbounder's hand, Pierce played perfect defense.

    Where I am contending that it was questionable is when he then lowered his center of gravity, and simply bodied PG backwards as he was trying to get to the basket.
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    Is there video for this? That might help some decide. Sadly from my viewpoint of the game I couldn't see but it wouldn't have mattered if I could have seen as I was already putting on my coat for the long walk of shame through the Celtic fan gauntlet that I had to go through.

    Don't get me wrong if we were fouled and it wasn't called then I'm not happy but at the end of the day IMO we should not have EVER been in that position. We played as bad of a quarter of basketball as we have all season long and the Celtics were just flat out brilliant.


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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

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    Don't get me wrong if we were fouled and it wasn't called then I'm not happy but at the end of the day IMO we should not have EVER been in that position. We played as bad of a quarter of basketball as we have all season long and the Celtics were just flat out brilliant.
    I fully agree, Peck. We definitely shouldn't have been in that position. But we were. And just like in Denver, and Toronto, I feel like despite our poor play in the last moments, we had a chance to atone taken from us.

    I'll try to find some footage, but don't know how easy that would be to do.
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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    Looked to me like Pierce had great defensive position on Paul George. Maybe George should've tried separating instead of trying to go thru him or above him or whatever he thought he was going to do....
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    Looked to me like Pierce had great defensive position on Paul George. Maybe George should've tried separating instead of trying to go thru him or above him or whatever he thought he was going to do....
    Pierce had one objective: keep himself in between the inbounder and Paul for five seconds. He succeeded, without fouling. Great defense.


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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    I didn't think it was a foul but that doesn't mean that if it was a foul I wouldn't expect it to be called. Don't really like the "the game shouldn't be decided on that type of play" part but still voted no.

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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    If that was a foul, then every proper box out in the history of basketball is also a foul. George wasn't shooting, so he didn't have the right to that space any more than Pierce did.

    Also, I voted "no" but genuinely think it wasn't a foul. The wording of the no response in the poll seems to indicate that it would be a foul if it weren't an end of game situation, and that's not the case for many I'm sure.
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    not a foul. never going to be a foul. very nice blockout though.

    to get a foul call, paul has to do something other than just stand there and get pushed around. spin move, swim move or just don't let pierce get his hands on you. something.

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    Absolutely not a foul. However, that goaltending was wrongly called...


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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    Call and run a better play. That poorly conceived and poorly executed attempt to score was the perfect icing on the fourth quarter cake.

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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    This is a moodcreating posterattacking bs questionnaire with a condition on the no answer that is outright pretentious and silly at the same time, that means that people who think it was not a foul but a foul should be called even in that situation if it really was a foul could never vote no, despite some still doing that.

    Whether it happens or not is irrelevant but fouls should be called the same all 48 minutes, that is why we have 1 rulebook only and not several for different times in the game.
    If a foul get's committed with .02 seconds left and determines or can determine the outcome of the game it should be called just the same as it was at the beginning of the game or the game last week or last month.

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    Default Re: Last play of the game, foul on Pierce or not?

    This would not have been a foul at any point in the game. Pierce has just as much right to the position as George did.

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