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    there's no fundamental law of equalization of bad calls, unfortunately
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    Danny Granger vs Lebron James several years back, 2 lob plays. Danny got called for the foul against Lebron, backing up into him and jumping for the lob on Defense. Pacers run the same play next possession and Lebron gets called for same foul. Pacers get 2 free throws and Danny wins the game.

    There is your example.
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    I've heard this rationale that a call shouldn't decide the game, but how is a non-call not helping to decide the game, especially if it's the wrong call?

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    Sometimes you lose. I'm looking forward to the game in Orlando, hope they'll show us on TV.

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    I too wish we would stop shooting so many three's, but man I just want to say again our bench was no help at all tonight. Just a frustrating game to watch in the last 6 minutes, brings back our playoff series against Bulls 2 years ago, could not close out at all.

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    Danny Granger vs Lebron James several years back, 2 lob plays. Danny got called for the foul against Lebron, backing up into him and jumping for the lob on Defense. Pacers run the same play next possession and Lebron gets called for same foul. Pacers get 2 free throws and Danny wins the game.

    There is your example.



    Thats the same game though. I already said if were playing Denver, we should have gotten that call.
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    Thats the same game though. I already said if were playing Denver, we should have gotten that call.
    Wait, let me get this straight...

    Are you saying that if we had been playing Denver TONIGHT we should have gotten the call (the Pierce vs. PG call)?

    If so, you think it's ok to make the call if it's against one team, but not another, and *I* am being hypocritical?

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    Wait, let me get this straight...

    Are you saying that if we had been playing Denver TONIGHT we should have gotten the call (the Pierce vs. PG call)?

    If so, you think it's ok to make the call if it's against one team, but not another, and *I* am being hypocritical?

    So, so very confused...
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    The shots taken in this game (yea I'm looking at u PG) were soo quick, questionable, and very chucker like... No organization down the stretch. Played right into Boston's hands

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    The shots taken in this game (yea I'm looking at u PG) were soo quick, questionable, and very chucker like... No organization down the stretch. Played right into Boston's hands
    Yea, our shot selection, specifically PG's was probably the worst it's been all year.

    We'll bounce back, but it was a frustrating loss.
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    Yea, our shot selection, specifically PG's was probably the worst it's been all year.

    We'll bounce back, but it was a frustrating loss.
    Exactly anyways the pacers are coasting since its the regular season lol

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    Still do not understand why West thought doubling KG and letting his man have a free lane to the bucket was the right move
    Yeah, I don't like that he did that as well....but that was a really well designed play. Green is so much quicker than West and able to back cut on that screen to underneath the basket....that unless West knew that Green was going to do that...there was no way that West could have caught up to him.
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    Okay....some positives to take from the game:

    The "Variable" is ( as many say ) the X-Factor. Whenever he controls the ball and actively looks to drive to the basket....the offense looks completely different and unpredictable. The defense literally freezes when he has a full head of steam....or collapses on him ( which allows him to find the open man ) and he's able to pass it out for an open shot.

    Really....watch how the offense operates when Lance isn't "running the show" and compare it to when GH or PG is looking for their shot. The offensive flow is way less predictable and far more dynamic....and therefore that much harder to defend.

    The other part of the game that stood out is that it is clear that Vogel has as much confidence in OJ in the 2nd unit as he does with Lance in the 1st unit. OJ just need learn when to take a shot and when to pass it off. I liked what I saw from him in the game.
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    I know the Celtics were doing a good job baiting us into bad shots, but so many of those threes were unforced errors early in the shot clock. No excuse for such poor shot selection. Paul George was particularly bad. Also, what was with the lob play? We would have been better off jacking up a three on that last play, which is ironic considering we shot way too many threes on the night.

    Last night is a perfect example of why I want no part of Boston in the playoffs. Their defense is excellent and they are just too good in clutch situations. I shudder to think about being in a close playoff game against them with a few minutes left. They are just better at making plays in those gritty clutch situations. Guys like Pierce, KG, and Terry have all been champions in recent years. Avery Bradley and Jeff Green are playing solid ball, and neither of those guys were healthy for the Heat series last year. Maybe Boston wins that series if they are healthy, particularly Bradley. When it comes down to the closing minutes of a game, Boston still would have the two best players in the series with Garnett and Pierce. Playoff Truth and Ticket are better than anyone on our roster.

    Regardless, if it's not Boston then it's going to be Brooklyn or Chicago, who will also be tough. We just have to face the reality that whoever we play is going to be more difficult than the Orlando team minus Dwight Howard that we played last year. We got really really really lucky. But this year the first round is going to be a dogfight.
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    How about a timeout at anytime there? Coach? Frank? Anybody?
    EXACTLY!!!
    West and George were exhausted. They walked up the floor therefore we had about 12 sec left on the shot clock when Hill tried to run the play. Time out FRANK! We only gave up 83 pts so that should be a win. Roy doesn't score after the 1st qtr? Wilcox was beating the hell out of him and incompetent officials ignored it.
    PGeorge's shot is off right now. It will come back but until it does, GET TO THE BUCKET!!!
    Bench is god awful except for OJ. Sorry, but Pendy is better than Tyler. Someone tell Ian not to dribble more than once. Someone tell DJ to quit hoisting 3's when they aren't going in.
    So damn infuriating to watch us flip 27 three's up there and just keep settling for them.

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    I mentioned on a different game thread last night that, if I was coaching against the Pacers, I would zone them and make them take jump shots. Got paranoid in the 2nd half that Doc Rivers had read the post. The 2nd unit seems to not be able to run a play that takes place inside the 3 pt. line, for some reason. Hans wants to post, which brings the rest of the unit into the paint and forces him to try to shoot over the one guy in the NBA who can't block his shot. So far, he has not found that guy! I see 3 options for Hans, in reverse order of suggestion, dunk everything, shoot elbow jumpers, sit on the bench and cheer for whoever takes your minutes.

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    Ok, I am just going to address everything in one post. Last night, that was not a foul on Paul Pierce. He was making a clean play preventing Paul George from going up for the ball. It was pretty much a boxout, which is completely legal.

    Regarding the play in Denver, it should not have been called a foul, and no one makes a call like that in that situation. We got screwed, plain and simple. However, that blown call should have zero effect on this game. However, TMJ, you seem to feel that this play should not have been called a foul, but the play last night should have been called. You can't have it both ways. It sucks we got screwed in Denver, but that is no reason to screw over the Boston Celtics with a horrible call. You know how upset we all were after the Denver game? That is the way Celtics fans would feel. It is not fair to penalize a team for a bad call, that they had no involvement in.

    Also, this is not the only case of a play like this not being called a foul. There are a lot of them in the NBA each year, but don't get noticed because that is the "norm" or precedent to not call a foul in a situation like that.


    If we were playing Denver, I feel it should have been a foul on that last play because we were playing the same team. Even though it wasn't a foul. Neither was Paul George's in Denver. However, it probably wouldn't have been called, because an eye for an eye makes the world blind.


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    Okay....some positives to take from the game:

    The "Variable" is ( as many say ) the X-Factor. Whenever he controls the ball and actively looks to drive to the basket....the offense looks completely different and unpredictable. The defense literally freezes when he has a full head of steam....or collapses on him ( which allows him to find the open man ) and he's able to pass it out for an open shot.

    Really....watch how the offense operates when Lance isn't "running the show" and compare it to when GH or PG is looking for their shot. The offensive flow is way less predictable and far more dynamic....and therefore that much harder to defend.

    The other part of the game that stood out is that it is clear that Vogel has as much confidence in OJ in the 2nd unit as he does with Lance in the 1st unit. OJ just need learn when to take a shot and when to pass it off. I liked what I saw from him in the game.
    In all honesty, I'm starting to feel that Lance needs to have the ball run through him equally as much as Paul George has it run through him. The offense is so stagnant when he isn't involved and stuck out on the wing.

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    Hey all! Long time lurker, first time poster! I was in night class following via scorecenter not paying attention to my teacher when I blurted out "WTF!" Why do the Pacers keep falling for the okie doke? Well...at least the Bulls lost :-)

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    This proves that 1) Paul Pierce did foul, you cant box out when no shot has been taken. 2) This game meant way more to Boston than it did to Indiana. Pierce acted like he just won the title at the end. I think we would be fine in a series vs these guys. Rondo carried them in the playoffs last year IMO.

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    Boston is a hot team since Rondo got injured. Makes one wonder if he won't be traded. The weakness I see in Boston is age and lack of size in their bigs. I really feel the Pacers can beat Boston if they play them in the playoffs.

    The Pacers just rely on shooting the 3 way too much. They have all year. At times in a game you can see 3 players standing around on the arch waiting to shoot the 3. Neither Lance nor DJ has a mid-range game. With DJ it's shoot a 3, and with Lance it's drive to the rack or shoot a 3.

    21 games plus playoffs is all I have to watch DJ pound the air out of the ball while the clock runs down and shoot 3's. I hope the Pacers have been doing their due diligence scouting other b/u PG during the season for next year.

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    Our bench is terrible. Not adding some help at the deadline is going to come back to haunt them.

    Yes, but but Granger will be the best player the Pacers could get. I'll believe it when I see it happen. I've said all long too many are counting on something that is far from a certainity. Walsh's stance, as always, is he would rather do nothing and watch how things play out. If Herb wants his team to make noise in the playoffs, then Walsh doing nothing and keeping crossed fingers on a healthy contributing Granger wasn't the way to do it. Not to mention the Pacers wouldn't trade the 013 1st to get a player who could help. You know another up and coming Plumlee for next year to sit in a suit to fill out the roster cheaply as many feel is necessary. Just SMH.

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    lance was the only one who could break his man down off the dribble, well oj did too. watching pg try to get to rim made me cringe.

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    I don't think we've had a loss this season without someone crying about the refs. Honestly it's a real tired act...how about holding the team to some amount of accountability without always pegging it on the zebras?

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