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    Reevaluate him in a week?

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/grang...evaluated-week

    The Indiana Pacers announced Wednesday that forward Danny Granger had an MRI that showed no new damage on his sore left knee. After consulting with team medical personnel, Granger will rest and receive continued treatments on the knee. He will be re-evaluated in a week.

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    Default Re: Granger's Injury is making me nervous..

    Uh, it also said they gave him an MRI and saw no new damage. This is good news. You might edit this thread to edit the title of it to make it more clear that you have the news in here; it's currently vague.

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    He is already out after only playing a handful of games. I don't think this can be deemed good news.
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    He is already out after only playing a handful of games. I don't think this can be deemed good news.

    From what I've seen in other threads it would depend on which side of the fence you stand on with Granger.
    When I read that the MRI showed now new damage this sounds like a positive to me and good news. I think it's just a process that he'll have to go through until he works his way back into the lineup full time as a starter.
    I'm not saying you are but some people seem to want to find anything negative they can to support their already determined position that Granger is through and he needs to go.
    I'd rather see him return to 30 minutes right away but as long as the Vogel says "they're no where near considering shutting Granger down and he doesn't think they'll have to" which he did say yesterday, then I'm not too concerned yet. The clock is ticking but there's still time to get Granger back into the lineup. We'll know in a few weeks.

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    Like I said in the other thread, I feel like if he was still day to day, that would be a positive. But the fact that he now has to sit out a whole week, and then they will reevaluate makes it seem like bad news to me. Not to mention, a week by no means is the maximum. He well then have to start practicing again, and basically start the process all over again with a shorter time frame.
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    I doubt they take him back to the practice steps of the process. They've figured out he can handle that level of stress on his knee. I bet he's put on a more conservative time limit if anything really changes in the approach. And definitely no more b2b.

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    Love the guy as a player, but time to retire maybe. Pacers can't be holding on to the ghost of Danny Granger.
    I hope the are trying to get Gerald Green ready for another go at it. We need his athleticism on the bench.
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    I doubt they take him back to the practice steps of the process. They've figured out he can handle that level of stress on his knee. I bet he's put on a more conservative time limit if anything really changes in the approach. And definitely no more b2b.
    It's hard to know if Practice or a game is the direct cause of the issue. Probably a combination of both.
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    Love the guy as a player, but time to retire maybe. Pacers can't be holding on to the ghost of Danny Granger.
    I hope the are trying to get Gerald Green ready for another go at it. We need his athleticism on the bench.
    Granger is not going to retire with a guaranteed 14 million on the table next season.
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    I hope the are trying to get Gerald Green ready for another go at it. We need his athleticism on the bench.
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    Granger is not going to retire with a guaranteed 14 million on the table next season.
    Doesn't he get it anyways? We paid Reggie Miller during retirement. If I recall.
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    Doesn't he get it anyways? We paid Reggie Miller during retirement. If I recall.
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    It's hard to know if Practice or a game is the direct cause of the issue. Probably a combination of both.
    I don't think it's coincidence that it happened during the first half of a b2b.

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    We just have to pray and hope Danny can come back and help for the playoffs.

    Our team even without Danny is really really good. If Danny doesn't come back this team is still a championship contender. The bench hasn't been great, but Ian, Tyler, OJ, and sometimes DJ have been pretty decent.

    Would it be nice if Danny came back and could contribute? Of course! As frustrated as we are, Danny is probably frustrated way moreso.

    This team is a championship contender, and after having gone thru all those years on those crappy teams, you know Danny is doing everything he can to come back and help the team. But he probably wants to make sure he is helping the team and not hurting it. The only way he's going to be able to do that is to be somewhat pain free.

    We have a GREAT training staff. They really have been great these past two years, so I believe whatever they do is for the best. If Danny is meant to come back, he will, and if not, this is still a championship contender. So enjoy the team on the court and stop fretting about Danny.

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    For some reason I keep forgetting about Sam Young. He was pretty good for the Grizz in the playoffs two seasons ago so while I know he isn't the spark off the bench he can be decent in the tightened playoff rotation.
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    For some reason I keep forgetting about Sam Young. He was pretty good for the Grizz in the playoffs two seasons ago so while I know he isn't the spark off the bench he can be decent in the tightened playoff rotation.
    And he can guard players like Pierce, Mello and Lebron fairly well. Very possible we face all three of those players in the playoffs. And while we are being positive, he would help us with Durant in the Finals as well.

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    +1
    shows how quickly and baselessly people's opinions switch around here... really? gerald green? the player everyone wants to ship off for a bag of chips?

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    I think Granger may end up shutting it down for the season. If he can't handle a few games, how is he suppose to survive the playoffs? If he does come back, sounds like there is no chance of him being 100%.

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    Love the guy as a player, but time to retire maybe. Pacers can't be holding on to the ghost of Danny Granger.
    I hope the are trying to get Gerald Green ready for another go at it. We need his athleticism on the bench.
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    lol Granger having to sit out is not good news! Lol he was suppose to come back and come off the bench for a bit and integrate him into the starting line-up. We already saw that he is gonna need some time to get back into rhythm. So how is it that him sitting out only after a few games back a good thing? lol some you got nerves

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    Here's the biggest problem with the Granger situation: Uncertainty. Who really knows their role with the possibility Granger might come back and change it? And if he does come back will it be on a continual limited basis or game by game decisions?

    Meanwhile, front office uncertainty can lead to bad planning. Do you count on Granger or do you trade or sign players with the idea that Granger is going to play at some point? We already let the trade deadline pass without apparently making any real attempts to do anything because we had an 'all star' to add to the lineup already...
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    As someone who has suffered from unexplainable, chronic knee issues for years, I've honestly been waiting for this.

    The Pacers have a better medical staff than I could ever dream of having access to, and Danny has a great work ethic and is no doubt working VERY hard to get back.

    But it's just impossible for me to be optimistic about these types of injuries, for me or anyone else. Life has taught me that lesson harshly.

    Sorry to be a debbie downer, but at this point, I am just assuming that things will be status quo (not playing) or worse (out for the year or longer) until they miraculously prove me wrong.
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    I think, if nothing else, this set back solidifies what everyone's roles will be if Granger makes it back. I can't imagine him moving back into the starting line up at this late stage of the season, so the starting 5 is now set. His role will be with the 2nd unit, and the rotation will remain basically the same, with Granger contributing if/where he can.

    Thank goodness, no more talk about him taking Lance's spot in the line up!

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    I wasn't buying him coming back this season to begin with. An injury that knocks you out for months, but no surgery is involved? Yeah, I'm not betting money on someone coming back from that, sorry.

    When I saw they put him in for a few minutes (his first game back), I was surprised. And then I watched him play. He did not belong out there at all. So I'm not surprised to hear that his non surgically repaired knee didn't miraculously heal itself. And I don't believe he'll be ok for the playoffs, though I'd love to be wrong. This team has done just fine without him, as much as I'd like to see how this team would play with a healthy Granger. It may well never happen.

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    Love the guy as a player, but time to retire maybe. Pacers can't be holding on to the ghost of Danny Granger.
    I hope the are trying to get Gerald Green ready for another go at it. We need his athleticism on the bench.
    Why do you need athleticism on the bench? All you do is sit there.

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