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    anybody have any idea when bender will be seeing some significant PT?
    i would love to see him get 20 + minutes a night...

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    anybody have any idea when bender will be seeing some significant PT?
    i would love to see him get 20 + minutes a night...
    Yeah, but at what/who's expense?

    Bender is totally outta whack right now

    Fred J is playing solid and everytime austin steps in he does a fantastic job

    I know it will take time to get bender back into things, but we are at a "critical" point in the season.

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    I would imagine that with the way Freddie has come along and with Al playing well we will not be seeing much of Bender for the rest of yet another year.

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    I am a big supporter of Bender, I think he could really help the Pacers. But I hope he only gets spot duty the rest of this season for several reasons.

    1) He is not going to be healthy enough this season to play 15 minutes a night even for 29 games.

    2) Pacers are in a groove right now, rotations are set and Bender has been out the whole season.

    3) There simply aren't minutes for him now

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    I think and would not be surprised that there were some minutes for JB.

    One place would be to have a few minutes less to Al, which would allow RC to pull him when he is going solo or plain cold
    Ron's minutes could be lessened a bit going in the final stretch, would be nice to have him fit for the play offs.

    JB showed some signs when he came back, considering he wasn't ready then and might be now he can give us a big lift. His attacking was looking good and I for one would say, let him bang away and see what happens, he either gets into the rotation now or is out for the season, no use in any other way.

    Also, IF a trade shows up it would be nice to see tonight if he's able to step in now

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    I didn't really see Bender do much of anything when he came back, except make himself comfortable avoiding contact around the arc. He ran up and down the court for 10-15 minutes and voila..... his knee swells up.

    What part of "chronic" in chronic knee problem don't we understand here? He gets a few minutes and if his knee doesn't swell up after that game's activity, then it swells up after the next game or the next practice.

    The red light should be going off. He doesn't seem to have much ability or desire to play through the pain.

    I would agree on one thing. The rotations and the depth chart are set. Bender will not play much through the end of this season. If he's not able to play in training camp next year without his knee swelling up, or at least without be mentally strong enough to play through the pain..... then I would think it would have to be obvious to everyone then....... he will be history.

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    I didn't really see Bender do much of anything when he came back, except make himself comfortable avoiding contact around the arc. He ran up and down the court for 10-15 minutes and voila..... his knee swells up.

    What part of "chronic" in chronic knee problem don't we understand here? He gets a few minutes and if his knee doesn't swell up after that game's activity, then it swells up after the next game or the next practice.

    The red light should be going off. He doesn't seem to have much ability or desire to play through the pain.

    I would agree on one thing. The rotations and the depth chart are set. Bender will not play much through the end of this season. If he's not able to play in training camp next year without his knee swelling up, or at least without be mentally strong enough to play through the pain..... then I would think it would have to be obvious to everyone then....... he will be history.
    Oh come on you're being way too harsh. The knee is only about the most important part of your body in basketball, and it probably hurts like hell for him to even move right now. Give him a little playing time right now and if it swells again, sit him out the rest of the season. Let him maybe get another surgery if he needs it and have him come back next season.

    Knee injurys are a scary thing to mess with, he could possibly play now, but there's a good chance that it would ruin his knee for the later years of his career. It's gonna be his 6th year next season and he's still young.
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    Bender on the court >
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    In five more years Bender can be the first "Inexperienced 10-year Veteran with Untapped Potential" in the history of the NBA.

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    I realize that all knee injuries are unique.

    Bender had a miniscus repair in September. I had one in late October. I'm 52, 6'2" and 280. In other words, I'm a has-been athlete whose best days as an athlete are behind him.

    But by January 1st, I was running a treadmill and riding a stationary bike for exercise. The knee swelled up and the cryo-cuff went on. The next several days, I went through the same thing. Now, there is no swelling and the weight has started to come off. And, at least for me, there is no more pain.

    What I'm saying is that at some point in time, you accept it for what it is, and if your livelihood depends on it, you play through the pain, whether the knee swells up or not. More than likely, he isn't hurting the knee... it's just a question of whether he can endure the pain that comes with playing. You just finally have to come to the conclusion that you will choose to play through whatever pain comes your way.

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    I realize that all knee injuries are unique.

    Bender had a miniscus repair in September. I had one in late October. I'm 52, 6'2" and 280. In other words, I'm a has-been athlete whose best days as an athlete are behind him.

    But by January 1st, I was running a treadmill and riding a stationary bike for exercise. The knee swelled up and the cryo-cuff went on. The next several days, I went through the same thing. Now, there is no swelling and the weight has started to come off. And, at least for me, there is no more pain.

    What I'm saying is that at some point in time, you accept it for what it is, and if your livelihood depends on it, you play through the pain, whether the knee swells up or not. More than likely, he isn't hurting the knee... it's just a question of whether he can endure the pain that comes with playing. You just finally have to come to the conclusion that you will choose to play through whatever pain comes your way.
    Yes, but if there is pain and the team is playing very well without him, why rush him back only to have him play on half a leg? What he had after surgury was something like what I had with my knee where it would be out of grove and perpetually pop out of place. It hurt like freakin you know what. After trying to walk through it a while, the knee would "pop" back into place. It was not a comfortable feeling and I wouldn't dream to play through that. It was really bad just going up and down stairs in my house. Fortunately, it required no surgury, but it took me 4 months of rehab to fix the problem and I did not feel comfortable playing lightly until 6 months after the problem. I feel 100 percent now, but I was really concerned about the issue when it was happening.

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    ..... then I would think it would have to be obvious to everyone then....... he will be history.
    Bender has been 'history' for a couple of years now....
    I think we are nearing in on the time when management will no longer be able to pretend and hope...

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    You know my stance on this matter...Bender has done nothing to prove he's worth playing time.
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    Yes, but if there is pain and the team is playing very well without him, why rush him back only to have him play on half a leg? What he had after surgury was something like what I had with my knee where it would be out of grove and perpetually pop out of place. It hurt like freakin you know what. After trying to walk through it a while, the knee would "pop" back into place. It was not a comfortable feeling and I wouldn't dream to play through that. It was really bad just going up and down stairs in my house. Fortunately, it required no surgury, but it took me 4 months of rehab to fix the problem and I did not feel comfortable playing lightly until 6 months after the problem. I feel 100 percent now, but I was really concerned about the issue when it was happening.
    I agree that there is no rush on Bender, because we basically don't need him. I'm trying to give Bender the benefit of the doubt here..... if you have really followed my posts, I agree completely with Suaveness and Bball. I personally believe Bender is a waste of a perfectly good uniform.

    As for your knee, was the knee actually going out of joint or was the patella? Regardless of which, next time try the following. Immediately sit on the floor or ground (because most likely, that's where you are anyway) and with a hand on each side of the knee, gently and slowly forcibly lower the knee to the ground. For me, this never failed. The patella will slide back in place and the knee will pop back into place.

    I eventually had my knee repair done only because the pain grew to the point that it was preventing me from getting a good night's sleep. But I do understand what you've gon through. I've just been blessed with a very high pain tolerance. But even so, eventually my tolerance for pain was still not high enough... and I've never been one to believe in popping Aleve or Apirin every four hours on a permanent basis for relief.

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    I agree that there is no rush on Bender, because we basically don't need him. I'm trying to give Bender the benefit of the doubt here..... if you have really followed my posts, I agree completely with Suaveness and Bball. I personally believe Bender is a waste of a perfectly good uniform.

    As for your knee, was the knee actually going out of joint or was the patella? Regardless of which, next time try the following. Immediately sit on the floor or ground (because most likely, that's where you are anyway) and with a hand on each side of the knee, gently and slowly forcibly lower the knee to the ground. For me, this never failed. The patella will slide back in place and the knee will pop back into place.

    I eventually had my knee repair done only because the pain grew to the point that it was preventing me from getting a good night's sleep. But I do understand what you've gon through. I've just been blessed with a very high pain tolerance. But even so, eventually my tolerance for pain was still not high enough... and I've never been one to believe in popping Aleve or Apirin every four hours on a permanent basis for relief.
    Strangely enough, I don't remember the specifics of my issue. I just remember going through this rehabilitation process and was told not to do anything strenuous for 3 months. They didn't have to tell me twice.

    My kneecap was sliding out of place up and down. It had something to do with muscle damage around the knee caused by a previous injury that probably happened after practice when I slipped on the wet grass earlier that year. The solution was to strengthen the muscles through exercise around the knee and take advil to lessen the swelling.

    As a coach, I see kids pop pain killers like candy and it just scares me to death especially with what circumstantial evidence says with guys like Mourning and Sean Elliot. There is very little I can do about it, however, because I am not allow to dispense medical advice. All I can do is educate.

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