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  • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

    Foster's and Plumlee's situations really aren't comparable due to the dramatic difference in the universities they attended. I can find you numerous guys who put up numbers just as good, if not better than Foster's NCAA numbers, only to go on to never step foot on an NBA court, let alone accomplish anything of note. Foster's game translated to the NBA much better than those other players, and many scouts seem to think the same thing about Plumlee. And again, while he didn't play huge minutes, for whatever reason, he delivered in the time he spent on the court, being an elite rebounder and efficient scorer.

    Bird's proven to be savvy enough to earn the benefit of the doubt from me. If Bird liked Plumlee, and if Wojnarowski says he was high on several teams' draft boards, I'll take the words of those two over the words of certain members here who have a history of making less-than-intelligent statements.

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    • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

      Originally posted by cdash View Post
      Nope. Bird made more than enough good choices to offset this (relatively harmless) poor one.
      If it was a relatively harmless decision, why do we end up with several hundred posts regarding it? Do people just love to hear themselves complain? (Rhetorical, I already know the answer to that)

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      • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

        [QUOTE=GrangeRusHibbert;1601306]

        Wojnarowski says he was high on several teams' draft boards, /QUOTE]


        Do those teams still have any interest in Plumlee now? If so, please contact the Pacers FO.

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        • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

          Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
          Peck flat out says: "and yes Bulls fans are the absolute worst when it comes to being front running, jock sniffing, snotbags..."

          Like I've said before, you wont hear too many arguments from me about their character and whatnot, but it is largely inappropriate to label them as bandwagon fans. They have a strong fanbase that will support their team rain or shine
          I only call them front running, jock sniffing snot bags because it's true.

          It's harder to do in this day and age but you must remember for me I have been dealing with these "fans" for over 20 years.

          I had one test and one test only for any Bulls fan who was being an obnoxious @ss back in the day. I simply would ask them who the "A-train" was. Out of the dozens of "fans" I asked that over the years I had 2 who could answer that question and one of them pretty much shut me up by not telling me who the A-train was but that he actually liked Dave Corzine better.

          Their team right now is still a winning franchise, sure they are missing Rose but they were riding a 3 game winning streak into the game and they thought that they were going to get us.

          Like I said though this isn't new to me I've had to put up with drunk obnoxious fans of theirs forever. The only fan base that even comes close to this was the 1980's early 90's Indiana Celtic fans. They were worse but it's pretty close.

          I actually like Knicks fans for the most part and believe it or not the majority of Piston fans have been cool over the year, but Chicago fans are just horrid.


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          • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

            Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
            It'd be easier to get past his few extra years if they weren't spent showing his extremely limited talent and potential in front of a national television audience.
            People said the same thing about Foster, while he was with the Pacers. I can deal. I'm talking about the limited talent and potential.

            Just depends on what you expect out of him. I expect rebounding and defense. He's got plenty of talent and potential in those two areas.
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            • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
              How long does it take a 5 to be able to contribute nightly at a NBA level? For years, it was pointed out for Hibbert and Smits it takes 5 years. Do the Pacers have 5 years to invest in a 24 yo who has played a total of 27 min 8 games?
              Because of their offensive games. I don't expect Plumlee to ever have one. That's not what he was drafted for. I keep saying it, he was drafted for a Foster type role.
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              • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                I simply would ask them who the "A-train" was.
                I'm going to use that. I like to tell Heat "fans" I can name more former Heat players than they can.

                And sadly, I recently realized my Artis Gilmore card is missing.

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                • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  I only call them front running, jock sniffing snot bags because it's true.

                  It's harder to do in this day and age but you must remember for me I have been dealing with these "fans" for over 20 years.

                  I had one test and one test only for any Bulls fan who was being an obnoxious @ss back in the day. I simply would ask them who the "A-train" was. Out of the dozens of "fans" I asked that over the years I had 2 who could answer that question and one of them pretty much shut me up by not telling me who the A-train was but that he actually liked Dave Corzine better.

                  Their team right now is still a winning franchise, sure they are missing Rose but they were riding a 3 game winning streak into the game and they thought that they were going to get us.

                  Like I said though this isn't new to me I've had to put up with drunk obnoxious fans of theirs forever. The only fan base that even comes close to this was the 1980's early 90's Indiana Celtic fans. They were worse but it's pretty close.

                  I actually like Knicks fans for the most part and believe it or not the majority of Piston fans have been cool over the year, but Chicago fans are just horrid.

                  I agree that the Chicago fans who invade the Fieldhouse are the most obnoxious people on the planet. Game 3 of the 2011 playoffs was just disgusting. I remember going to a game against Chicago in January of that year and they were awful then too.

                  I bet Knicks fans would be more obnoxious if their franchise had actually won something in recent decades. All of the other major rival markets have been wildly successful: Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, Miami. But the Knicks haven't won a championship since 1973, which no doubt causes their fans to be a bit more humble, IMO. If the Knicks were as successful as the Lakers or Celtics, then I guarantee their fans would be more obnoxious.

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                  • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    Because of their offensive games. I don't expect Plumlee to ever have one. That's not what he was drafted for. I keep saying it, he was drafted for a Foster type role.
                    I don't expect Plumlee to be a offensive wizard either, so I'll play devil's advocate in defense of Plumlee as he's not getting a proper opportunity to show what his skills and assets are, or to hone them. You can't play when the opportunity avails itself if you aren't dressed either. Hint hint Vogel.

                    PJ3 was drafted after Plumlee by OKC and has played in 30 games @ about 7 MPG with what is said to be bad knees. That's not saying he's better than Plumlee, but pointing out OKC has given him the time to get PT where as Plumlee sits in a suit. OKC has Thabeet, who is on is 4th team, getting 11 MPG, yet Plumlee sits twiddling his thumbs. If TPTB see Plumlee as a future rotational player or a replacement for Hansbro or Pendergraph, then wouldn't it be advantageous to get Plumlee more PT than 8 games and 27 min? He "ain't gett'n any younger" sitting in a suit!

                    At the present time if I was comparing Plumlee with other bigs drafted late 20's, he would be compared to DJ White, JaJuan Johnson, and Daniel Orton. Sorry Purdue, IU, and KY fans but it is what it is. It could be pointed out each were wasted picks too.

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                    • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      I don't expect Plumlee to be a offensive wizard either, so I'll play devil's advocate in defense of Plumlee as he's not getting a proper opportunity to show what his skills and assets are, or to hone them. You can't play when the opportunity avails itself if you aren't dressed either. Hint hint Vogel.

                      PJ3 was drafted after Plumlee by OKC and has played in 30 games @ about 7 MPG with what is said to be bad knees. That's not saying he's better than Plumlee, but pointing out OKC has given him the time to get PT where as Plumlee sits in a suit. OKC has Thabeet, who is on is 4th team, getting 11 MPG, yet Plumlee sits twiddling his thumbs. If TPTB see Plumlee as a future rotational player or a replacement for Hansbro or Pendergraph, then wouldn't it be advantageous to get Plumlee more PT than 8 games and 27 min? He "ain't gett'n any younger" sitting in a suit!

                      At the present time if I was comparing Plumlee with other bigs drafted late 20's, he would be compared to DJ White, JaJuan Johnson, and Daniel Orton. Sorry Purdue, IU, and KY fans but it is what it is. It could be pointed out each were wasted picks too.
                      I know that Playing Time is Playing time....but did PJ3 get those minutes during the course of the game or was it considered garbage time?

                      Assuming that Plumlee is considered to be the replacement for Hansbrough or Pendy.....it doesn't mean that he should automatically get minutes. This goes back to the whole "develop Players vs. Winning Games" debate. You maybe correct in assuming that Plumlee may replace one or both in the near future....but that doesn't mean that he is the better option to put on the floor now. Maybe Vogel considers both Hansbrough and Pendy a better option to put on the floor...in order to win games and/or develop chemistry for the Playoffs....as opposed to using Plumlee to just get some minutes.

                      I would love to see what Plumlee can do in regular consistent minutes...but I think that Vogel and the FO is in "win now" mode....simply put...unlike the need to find some help at the Wings with OJ getting minutes....there isn't a need for Plumlee to play and/or get minutes NOW. Maybe Vogel is satisfied with the Frontcourt rotation being ( 1 ) West / ( 2 ) Hibbert / ( 3 ) Mahinmi / ( 4 ) Hansbrough / ( 5 ) Pendy / ( 6 ) Plumlee .

                      But I will say that I honestly don't know why he's riding the pine as opposed to maxing out his Playing time in Fort Wayne.
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                      • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                        I don't think you can compare it that way, for a number of different reasons. The biggest, other than the fact Plumlee isn't even dressing, would be that OKC's average margin of victory is more than double that of the Pacers. OKC gives their end of the bench much more opportunities to get PT, because they blow other teams away a lot more than the Ps.
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                        • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                          In case anyone is interested here is Plumlee's stats while in the D-league.

                          http://www.nba.com/dleague/fortwayne/statistics/
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                          • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post


                            But I will say that I honestly don't know why he's riding the pine as opposed to maxing out his Playing time in Fort Wayne.
                            He's not riding the pine he's sitting in a suit most of the time. I agree if he can't get PT with the Pacers he should be playing in Ft Wayne where he can get plently of PT to hone his skills. That's the whole idea of the D-League.

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                            • Re: Odd Thoughts: Bull Chips....

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              He's not riding the pine he's sitting in a suit most of the time. I agree if he can't get PT with the Pacers he should be playing in Ft Wayne where he can get plently of PT to hone his skills. That's the whole idea of the D-League.
                              Isn't an alternate view that practicing with the team is better than playing with all other D-League? If that's a valid perspective, then during a period consisting of a lot of home games (and therefore practice days) doesn't it make sense to have Plumlee practicing with the team rather than up in Ft. Wayne?
                              BillS

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                              • Originally posted by BillS View Post
                                Isn't an alternate view that practicing with the team is better than playing with all other D-League? If that's a valid perspective, then during a period consisting of a lot of home games (and therefore practice days) doesn't it make sense to have Plumlee practicing with the team rather than up in Ft. Wayne?
                                I may be wrong, but I thought that's what he's been doing during extended homestands. Practicing with the team in the morning and traveling to play in Ft. Wayne at night.

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