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    These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

    "Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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    These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

    "Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
    It's not exactly a ludicrous question.

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    Good for Sacramento

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    The way the dude said it though, these reporters are straying into crazy tinfoil hat land.
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    These Seattle reporters are serious crybabies!

    "Was Seattle used as a pawn to get a better deal for Sacramento?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
    Umm, except that it's probably true.

    The NBA told Seattle straight up that, "There will be no expansion anytime soon. You want a team? You buy one and move them to your town." The publicly funded arena Sac just gave the NBA would've never happened w/o the threat of moving the team somewhere else.

    The NBA gets a free arena, they drive out owners they don't like (Maloofs) and the valuation of their franchises just increased. It's win, win, win for the NBA.

    None of that happens without Chris Hansen's efforts.

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    Umm, except that it's probably true.

    The NBA told Seattle straight up that, "There will be no expansion anytime soon. You want a team? You buy one and move them to your town." The publicly funded arena Sac just gave the NBA would've never happened w/o the threat of moving the team somewhere else.

    The NBA gets a free arena, they drive out owners they don't like (Maloofs) and the valuation of their franchises just increased. It's win, win, win for the NBA.

    None of that happens without Chris Hansen's efforts.
    Theres a difference in being a reporter and being a crybaby. The tone in the dude's voice leaned toward the latter, plus there are some who were upset when Stern said he had to get to OKC for the game tonight (ironically, I'd bet that OKC voted for the move).
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    The way the dude said it though, these reporters are straying into crazy tinfoil hat land.
    Well, they probably think the NBA/Stern hates Seattle and there's some conspiracy against them. But if what happened in Seattle (from 2006 - present) happened in Indy, you'd probably say the same thing too.

    But you're right, there isn't a conspiracy. The lesson here is that if you build the NBA an arena for them, they'll like you for it and keep a team there for you at all costs.

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    He is in a closet guys!!!
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    Media just chased George Maloof into the Bell Stand closet!!! UNREAL!!
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    Good for Sacramento
    Thanks, Hicks.

    There is no way to express how many of us Kings fans are feeling. It's not joy so much as just relief that the ordeal is finally over.

    A little bit about the Seattle media? They should be ashamed. They misled the Seattle fans with bad information and questionable sources. They never wanted to put the real question out there and they're the ones who Seattle should be mad at.

    Bottom line is that Seattle wasn't the issue. Sacramento's willingness to jump throw all the hoops being held up by the NBA was what nattered.

    As far as the comments about Seattle being used, this isn't some group of kiddies on the playground. Their group consisted of a hedge fund guru and the CEO of Microsoft. They went into this knowing what they were doing. (And, by the way, what they were doing was going behind the backs of the NBA and negotiating with pond-scum owners who continually denied the team was for sale.) They honestly didn't think that Kevin Johnson could get an arena deal (the second one to be passed by the city council) AND a consortium of owners to put forth a viable counter-offer for the team. KJ did it, though, and the Maloofs are walking away from all this smelling like a rose.

    My thought about the Seattle group is that if you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.

    I do feel sorry for the FANS of basketball in Seattle. They didn't deserve to lose their team and they certainly didn't deserve to be led down the garden path by disingenuous reporters and talking heads. Somebody needs to be honest up there, though, and admit that they lost their team in the first place because they wouldn't play ball with the NBA. You don't make a comment to Stern that says if the NBA wants a new arena to have the rich players pay for it and not expect it to someday come back and bite you.

    Seattle has too little sunshine and way too much caffeine. I hope they can find a way to bring an expansion team back to their town so they can resurrect their beloved Sonics without killing another team's history.
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    I still don't want another expansion team.

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    I'm so glad for Sacramento. Their fans deserve to have a team. They are extremely loyal. Congrats, VF21.

    Let's hope now that the Kings are going to become a formidable team once again. You guys deserve a good team

    PS: Also, I still want Seattle to have a team. But I didn't want Seattle to take away Sacramento's team. I don't really mind expansion.
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    a big ol middle finger to the maloofs. can't wait to rid them from the Kings. absolutely disgusting what they have tried to pull the last few years.

    such a big win for the city today. glad the NBA rewarded the fans who worked so hard to keep them here.

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    For my own selfish reasons I wanted the Kings to move to Seattle so this is a little disappointing. Nice for the Kings though. The early 2000s Kings teams were one of the things that turned me from a half college/half NBA fan into a completely die hard NBA fan.

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    I'm so glad for Sacramento. Their fans deserve to have a team. They are extremely loyal. Congrats, VF21.

    Let's hope now that the Kings are going to become a formidable team once again. You guys deserve a good team

    PS: Also, I still want Seattle to have a team. But I didn't want Seattle to take away Sacramento's team. I don't really mind expansion.
    Expansion's one thing, but I've seen too many Seattle fans bring up the Pacers through this ordeal to say I sympathize with them anymore. I realize a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch and all, but well, it has for me. I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.

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    Seattle has too little sunshine and way too much caffeine. I hope they can find a way to bring an expansion team back to their town so they can resurrect their beloved Sonics without killing another team's history.
    Seattle is exactly what helped the Kings get out from under the Maloofs (or at least it appears it'll happen soon). You should be thankful for them.

    The NBA/Stern put a carrot in front of Seattle and put the wheels in motion for this whole deal. Stern said he wanted to see a team in Seattle before he retired but also said there would be no expansion. So everyone including Stern knew that Seattle was going to buy a team and try to move them. The NBA was perfectly fine with this (and they ended up LOVING this). They endorsed and worked with Hansen on his proposal.

    The NBA basically used this great proposal from Seattle to leverage Sac into building a publicly funded arena. Along the way, they'll also get rid of the Maloofs and get a huge increase in franchise valuation.......all thanks to Seattle and Hansen. The NBA barely had to lift a finger. Hansen did all the legwork for them.

    Notice that after this entire deal is basically over with, NOW there is all of a sudden talk of expansion for Seattle from Adam Silver. If the NBA simply told Seattle a couple years ago that they'd get an expansion team 3-4 years down the line, do you think Hansen would've gone to all this trouble and attempted to severely overpay in order to try to nab the Kings from Sac? I doubt it.

    The NBA was wise in this. They told Seattle there would be no expansion in order to force them into making a ridiculously good offer to buy someone else's team. They had Seattle do all the legwork into leveraging an arena out of Sacramento. Without Seattle, Sac would still be stuck in the same situation with the Maloofs right now.

    Very well played by Stern and co. They had someone else do all the legwork to get what they wanted. Anyone by now should understand why Stern should never show his face in Seattle again. And Stern knows he's hated there and basically gave the finger to Seattle with his "I have a game to go to in Oklahoma City tonight."

    Dude was straight rubbing it into Seattle, and he enjoyed it, LOL.

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    Expansion's one thing, but I've seen too many Seattle fans bring up the Pacers through this ordeal to say I sympathize with them anymore. I realize a few bad apples shouldn't spoil the bunch and all, but well, it has for me. I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.
    I don't want any fanbase to lose its team. It's just hurtful. That's why I want Seattle to have a team back. That's also why I don't mind expansion at all.
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    I just don't get how a fanbase that went through what they did can be so cavalier about taking another fanbase's team, screw em.
    Don't blame Seattle fans for this. The NBA/Stern are the ones who were the enablers in this the entire time. They were the ones who said "NO" all along to expansion. They are the ones who turned fans against fans.

    And it was all part of the plan. A plan to make Seattle desperate enough to have to throw ridiculous piles of money at someone else to steal a team. That was all in order to create leverage against the incumbent city to build them a new arena (and increase franchise valuation while they were at it).

    If the NBA says no to expansion, then what do you expect some deep pocketed people in Seattle (who are desperate for basketball) to do? And why is it that, NOW, after Sac has agreed to build that arena, that the NBA is now talking expansion?

    Blame the NBA in this situation for turning fans against fans in order to serve their interests. Blame them for moving the Hornets from a very good fanbase to a horrible one, all because that initially loyal fanbase in Charlotte refused to build a publicly funded arena for them. That's why we're in the current mess we're in with Seattle not having a team and now having to raid someone else's team.

    Honestly, do you think the NBA would mind seeing Hansen try to do the same thing to get the Pacers or Bucks? They'd LOVE to see it happen again in order to get exactly what they just got in Sacramento.
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    I don't want any fanbase to lose its team. It's just hurtful. That's why I want Seattle to have a team back. That's also why I don't mind expansion at all.
    And that's what SHOULD have been the solution to begin with. But the NBA had ulterior motives and basically set the wheels in motion for this entire Sac vs. Seattle battle. They were the puppet masters in this the entire time.

    Basically, if the NBA had just promised Seattle expansion to begin with, they wouldn't have gotten all these things out of the Sacramento deal that they just got. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that Seattle/Hansen were just tools to get the NBA what they wanted.

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    Honestly, do you think the NBA would mind seeing Hansen try to do the same thing to get the Pacers or Bucks? They'd LOVE to see it happen again in order to get exactly what they just got in Sacramento.
    I'm with you on all this. But I honestly don't really care, this isn't a new thing in professional sports. Honestly, if extortion registered on my moral compass the way I feel like it should, the only sports I'd be watching are at Crawfordsville High School. The way pro sports sausage is made is more disgusting than the way actual sausage gets made. It's in this thread somewhere, but I've said previously I think Seattle privately funding a building, illogical as it sounds, is a negative for the NBA. That sets a poor precedent, because that's the reality we live in now, pro sports are mutli-billion dollar non-profits that extort money from every community they're located in.

    And with the Pacers, yeah, I think the NBA would mind that. BLF's not the newest building anymore, but it's still stellar and we all know who paid for it (and Lucas Oil on a much grander scale), and is getting subsidized more every year. The $15mil/year CBI agreement, the $3.5mil for the ad ribbon and whatever else they did with it. Indy's got absolutely zero qualms with financing professional sports teams via taxes. Indiana being THE basketball state and all that be dammed, Indy could be Podunk, Montana and the NBA wouldn't dump a market that's as malleable as Indianapolis.

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    And that's what SHOULD have been the solution to begin with. But the NBA had ulterior motives and basically set the wheels in motion for this entire Sac vs. Seattle battle. They were the puppet masters in this the entire time.

    Basically, if the NBA had just promised Seattle expansion to begin with, they wouldn't have gotten all these things out of the Sacramento deal that they just got. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that Seattle/Hansen were just tools to get the NBA what they wanted.
    I agree that this should have been the solution to begin with.

    The points you're making are quite interesting. They help me to understand this situation a bit better.
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    They are the ones who turned fans against fans.

    Blame the NBA in this situation for turning fans against fans in order to serve their interests. Blame them for moving the Hornets from a very good fanbase to a horrible one, all because that initially loyal fanbase in Charlotte refused to build a publicly funded arena for them. That's why we're in the current mess we're in with Seattle not having a team and now having to raid someone else's team.
    I completely agree with this. It's a divide & conquer strategy. The fanbases should NOT turn against each other. That's just what the NBA wanted them to do.
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    I agree that this should have been the solution to begin with.

    The points you're making are quite interesting. They help me to understand this situation a bit better.
    It's really not even that interesting. I never realized it myself, but now it basically just smacks you square in the face.

    Think about it: After the proposals and presentations and then the vote, the NBA all of a sudden came out with the stance that "It was never about Seattle. It was if Sacramento could come up with a reasonably good plan."

    Well, geeez..........what do you think the chances are that they told Hansen this about 2.5 years ago when he was starting to get his plan together? They didn't tell him this back then. They helped him with his proposal and approved of what he was doing.

    If 2.5 years ago they told him "Hey Chris, you know what you've come up with is great and all, but if Sac comes up with a half decent offer, it won't matter how good your offer is", do you think Hansen and co. would've went to all the trouble they did? They put the carrot in front of Hansen to make up a proposal and got the wheels in motion for everything that just went down.

    And honestly, I really don't care that much about Hansen and Ballmer and co. They are big boys with deep pockets and are among the last people on the planet you should feel sorry for. I just hate the NBA for doing what they did because it pit fans vs. fans in a very, very nasty manner. That kind of stuff is horrible and I hope we never see it again.

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    I think it would be better for the NBA if the Hornets were in Seattle instead of N.O. I know that is not their name anymore.

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    I think it would be better for the NBA if the Hornets were in Seattle instead of N.O. I know that is not their name anymore.
    Absolutely. The NBA hates the fact that they don't have a team in as good a market in Seattle but do have one in as poor of a market as N.O. But they simply couldn't have the embarrassment of a team moving twice in less than a decade.

    Again, that goes back to their rash decision of moving a the Hornets out of what was then a very good Charlotte market and into a bad N.O. market, all because Charlotte wouldn't build them a new arena.

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    If there's no Hurricane Katrina I think NO loses their team. It's really all about not kicking a city while it was recovering.
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