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  • #76
    Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

    Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
    This doesn't surprise me at all. I have been following this story for ages and have come away with the same impression KJ is a really bright guy. I like the As quite a bit and listen to a lot of bay area sports talk like the Grant Napear show. KJ is a very good talker and does what he says. When he speaks you listen and you believe it him. He would be a great head coach in basketball because his positive vibe is contagious, he is sincere in his speech that is why I believe he could get players to run through a wall for him. I would court him as a coach after his term is up. He has a very Frank Vogel like vibe.

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    • #77
      Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

      Kevin Johnson has a bright future, but I suspect he's headed for the big office once occupied by Arnold Schwarzenegger and not NYC. He's got some of the best and brightest minds in his political party working with him on this arena deal and, provided all goes well, it could easily propel him straight to the Governor's office.

      In other news, our ownership dream team continues to evolve and solidify with technology giant Chris Kelly. Two areas very close to the NBA's heart are now fully covered in additional to the arena deal - both globalization and advanced digital technology are very well represented. Vivek Ranadive, the Jacobs family and Chris Kelly can help add state-of-the-art technology on a scale not seen anywhere else to the arena, making it a virtual immersion experience. The mind truly boggles at some of what they've said...

      In other interesting news, Carmichael Dave is pulling into Las Vegas today. He was planning to stay in the RV but received an invitation from George Maloof for Dave and crew to stay in the Palms Casino as the guests of the Maloof family. (I can't make this stuff up...) Dave accepted the offer (and who wouldn't after spending almost a month crammed into an RV with two other guys). It's another indication that the Maloofs are trying in their own way to reach out. The only possible explanation I can see is that they realize they will most likely be selling to Sacramento and they want to jump on the bandwagon. Bets are currently being taken (behind the scenes, of course) on whether or not Dave can get George to sign the RV.
      NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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      • #78
        Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

        what's with the Maloof 5 PM deadline today VF21 ? any news on that?
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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        • #79
          Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

          Originally posted by able View Post
          what's with the Maloof 5 PM deadline today VF21 ? any news on that?
          More posturing by the Maloofs. They have a binding sales agreement with Hansen/Ballmer, including a $30 million "non-refundable" deposit put up by Hansen/Ballmer to prevent the Maloofs from negotiating with any other party until the sale is either ratified or denied by the BoG. (Hansen's no dummy and he knows full well what the Maloofs did to Virginia Beach.) Because of this restriction AND because of the animosity between the Maloofs and Ron Burkle, David Stern indicated that Sacramento should submit any offers to the NBA, which they did. The first offer was the one that Stern referred to as being "too low."

          Since that time, our ownership group has changed, removing the eternal thorn in the Maloof's side (Ron Burkle) and adding the Jacobs family, a local developer (whose name escapes me at the moment) and now Chris Kelly. Kevin Johnson is in constant communication with the NBA, and David Stern recently indicated that money was no longer an issue. Our dream team has a firm number they have communicated to the NBA and from all indications the Maloofs are aware of that number.

          Recent developments (lots of tweets, hints, rumors, etc.) seem to show that the NBA wants to make the Seattle group "whole" in case the BoG turns down the sale, meaning they want the Sacramento group to pay back the $30 million to Seattle. Vivek Ranadive and his partners have no problem in doing that, removing another hurdle.

          The statement from the Maloof camp is puzzling, but no more than anything else they have done. It's almost as though George (the one brother who is most often responsible for the more mind-boggling events) wants to make it clear that they're still in control. An article in today's Sacramento Bee indicated that the Maloofs are interested in purchasing either an NHL or MLB team and don't want to leave Sacramento with "scorched earth" - although for most fans, that ship sailed quite a while ago, hit a reef and sank with the loss of all souls on board.

          When you combine the Maloof statement with the offer to Carmichael Dave to stay at the Palms Casino/Hotel as a guest of the Maloof family, it's very tempting to draw the conclusion that the Maloofs realize the BoG isn't going to approve the Seattle sale and they'll either sell to Sacramento or face the possibility of having the NBA step in and assume control of the team "in the best interests of the league."

          I have no doubt that everything that needs to be done by the Sacramento group is well in hand. If the Maloofs feel better by putting forth demands, more power to them. At the end of the day, if we still have our Sacramento Kings, I will really not care if we have to pat them on the head one more time to get the deal done.
          Last edited by VF21; 04-12-2013, 04:55 PM.
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          • #80
            Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

            Within a few short days, the fate of the Sacramento Kings will be decided. I hope no other fanbase has to feel what we have felt the past few years. On Wednesday, we will come together in Sleep Train Arena, not knowing if it's the last game of the season or if it's the last game ever. And, as gut-wrenching as that sounds, it will be the SECOND time we've done it.

            Keep us in your thoughts please, Pacers fans. Do it for us, do it for youselves. If the NBA can take our team away after all we've done to try and keep it, what city is next?

            Hopefully I'll be back in a few days to share my joy.

            #ForSacramento
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            • #81
              Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

              Originally posted by VF21 View Post
              Within a few short days, the fate of the Sacramento Kings will be decided. I hope no other fanbase has to feel what we have felt the past few years. On Wednesday, we will come together in Sleep Train Arena, not knowing if it's the last game of the season or if it's the last game ever. And, as gut-wrenching as that sounds, it will be the SECOND time we've done it.

              Keep us in your thoughts please, Pacers fans. Do it for us, do it for youselves. If the NBA can take our team away after all we've done to try and keep it, what city is next?

              Hopefully I'll be back in a few days to share my joy.

              #ForSacramento
              Good Luck....hopefully you'll have some good news.
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              • #82
                Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                This commercial is running every 5 minutes in Times Square for the next three days.

                NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                • #83
                  Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                  Here's what it looks like up on the screen:


                  http://vimeo.com/64158892
                  NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                    Sleep Train Arena an hour or so after the game last night. Sure as hell hope it's not the last one there.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                      From Chris Ballard at SI.com

                      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...r_a2&eref=sihp
                      NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                        Nice article by Carmichael Dave regarding the real issue of the order of the voting and what we expect at the end of the week.

                        http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/4...for-kings-fans
                        NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                          For those of you who may not know about what Sacramento has had to put up with in dealing with the Maloofs about a new arena, this article should help.

                          ...The key to any non-fictional narrative is that it should be based in fact. And that is something NBA owners truly have to weigh before making this decision. How did this story reach the point where George Maloof would give two impassioned anti-Sacramento speeches to his fellow owners in a little over two weeks time? And does he and his family have the right to dictate where one of their franchises will play just out of spite?
                          http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2013/0...ngs-narrative/
                          NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                            Just an FYI - The recommendation from the combined Relocation and Finance committees - originally scheduled for today - has been pushed to Monday. Word is that the NBA is aggressively vetting the Sacramento offer.
                            NBA basketball - taking my breath away since 1963.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                              Thanks for the updates VF, I wish you all in Sacramento the best eventhough it feels like this is in the bag for Sacramento!
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                              • #90
                                Re: Whales spotted in Sacramento!

                                Carmichael Dave is going to be on the cyberwaves (?) on Monday. His latest tweet says "After a 6 week layoff, #cdnet returns tomorrow at 8am with special extended coverage of the Kings decision. http://Thecdnetworks.com" He has pretty good sources and should be one of the first to be able to leak the committee recommendation.

                                I pray that no other fan base ever has to endure what we Kings fans have gone through.
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