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Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

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  • #46
    Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

    It is just a reality that if Granger is a guy that is worth keeping, he's going to be nearly impossible to keep.

    West is a no-brainer. George is a no-brainer. We already have made our bed with Hibbert and Hill. Where is the money going to come from?

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    • #47
      Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

      Money Oak

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      • #48
        Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
        It is just a reality that if Granger is a guy that is worth keeping, he's going to be nearly impossible to keep.
        That's the best way to phrase it.

        If we keep him, then it likely means that he isn't the player he used to be and was unable to get attractive offers from anywhere else. But if next season he plays like the player he used to be, then we will almost certainly be unable to keep him.

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        • #49
          Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Overreacting much? No one is trying to be negative. Just being honest.

          And bringing up Larry Bird? He's not around anymore.
          Honest? honest about what? nothing about what you said was honest....anyone that says they feel danny was being reflective and is on his way out is not being honest, they are being incredibly pessimistic....and as i said...you combine that with ignorance for both how Donnie and Larry Bird have worked to put this team together as well as teams in the past...and its just ridiculous to think Danny is about to be traded....just as its ridiculous to think Larry "isnt around anymore"...yea...ok...
          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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          • #50
            Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

            Nice article and I love the team, and will continue to live and die with every game and every play, and yes I think the Pacers can beat any team in a 7 game series.

            However, looking at the NBA as objectively as I can. I think the Spurs, Thunder and Heat are better than the Pacers. Pacers are 4th best, I'm convinced of that. If there are injuries that might change things for sure. And the pacers would only have to beat 2 of those three teams and I am not suggesting the pacers cannot beat them, but I still think those teams are better.

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            • #51
              Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

              Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
              Honest? honest about what? nothing about what you said was honest....anyone that says they feel danny was being reflective and is on his way out is not being honest, they are being incredibly pessimistic....and as i said...you combine that with ignorance for both how Donnie and Larry Bird have worked to put this team together as well as teams in the past...and its just ridiculous to think Danny is about to be traded....just as its ridiculous to think Larry "isnt around anymore"...yea...ok...
              Donnie Walsh hasn't done much of anything to put this team together so who is being ignorant now.

              Larry isn't around anymore. If anyone is thinking he is then they are the ones reading between the lines. Not me. Last we heard anything about Larry other than occasional phone calls with Lance is that he is in Florida from that Jordan article referencing Buckner's comment on Bird.

              Maybe Bird comes back, maybe he doesn't.

              If you don't think Danny is being reflective in his comments, then I would just say your ability to read people's emotions needs some work. He is definitely being reflective.

              It's just a harsh reality of the NBA that it will be hard to retain everyone. If that's "pessimistic" to you, fine I guess. I am not going to waste my time worrying about it and instead will enjoy what we have now.
              Last edited by Trader Joe; 02-28-2013, 12:14 PM.


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              • #52
                Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                and its just ridiculous to think Danny is about to be traded....
                Nobody said he is about to be traded. The trade deadline was last week.

                It is a harsh reality of the NBA, that it very well may be in the Pacers' best interest to trade him this summer. Nothing about that is ridiculous.

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                • #53
                  Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                  Hypothetically a guy that averages between 15 and 18 ppg is going to command somewhere between 8 - 12 mil with the occasional guy getting 5 (Jamal Crawford) or 6 mil (Wesley Matthews)

                  I'd think the only way we re-sign Danny is if he takes 8 MAYBE 9 Mil annually. Something like a 4 yr 36 or 5 yr 42 Mil extension.

                  Let's not forget, Danny gave us a bit of a break during his last extension. (especially when you look at the extensions that guys like Gay, Johnson and Iggy received)

                  So I don't think it's 100% CRAZY to think that he'd sign for a reasonable deal

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                  • #54
                    Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                    Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                    It is just a reality that if Granger is a guy that is worth keeping, he's going to be nearly impossible to keep.

                    West is a no-brainer. George is a no-brainer. We already have made our bed with Hibbert and Hill. Where is the money going to come from?


                    Huh? Then you could say that about every player...If a guy is worth keeping, hes going to be nearly impossible to keep...Like I said...if you get that from this article then you totally missed the whole point of the article. Danny is just as much of a no-brainer as West and George. THAT should be even more obvious than it already was after reading this article. As for where the money is going to come from...well...I pointed out that problem quite some time ago in the Roy Hibbert value thread. Danny Granger and David West are the heart and soul of this team. Paul is looking like he maybe the uber-talented stud. What happens past that who knows for certain. But thats the foundation of your team. And that should be blatantly obvious to anyone. Thankfully it clearly is to Walsh and Bird.
                    The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                    • #55
                      Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      Also, what did Danny do to his finger?
                      He was playing with the holes in his knee cartilage and the tendonosis spread to his finger.


                      This is a great article that confirms what we've read over the years about George and Granger. They've been buddies since before the draft and enjoy each other's company. I love that this team is so selfless.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                        Why do you keep bringing up Bird lol


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                        • #57
                          Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          Nobody said he is about to be traded. The trade deadline was last week.

                          It is a harsh reality of the NBA, that it very well may be in the Pacers' best interest to trade him this summer. Nothing about that is ridiculous.
                          Lol....yea ok....you have just put together a team that clearly is poised to contend for a title for a few years and you are now going to trade the captain who is the heart and soul of that team. There are many harsh realities in the NBA. But this isnt one of them. That would be ridiculous. And to think it would be in the Pacers best interest to trade said captain and heart and soul of the team and a player that the uber-talented stud looks up to as a mentor and is a genuine friend of....well that pretty much defines ridiculous. What sort of message would that send to the uber-talented young stud? Lol...you guys are just nuts sometimes
                          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                          • #58
                            Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                            Chad Ford told me Danny wouldn't be wearing a Pacers jersey next year... In 2007.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              Why do you keep bringing up Bird lol
                              Why do u insist on denying the obvious? Lets see....Pacers management continually talks about him. The players talk about him. But hey, let us NOT talk about him. yea ok...like i said...you guys are just silly some times...
                              The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                              • #60
                                Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                                Hypothetically a guy that averages between 15 and 18 ppg is going to command somewhere between 8 - 12 mil with the occasional guy getting 5 (Jamal Crawford) or 6 mil (Wesley Matthews)

                                I'd think the only way we re-sign Danny is if he takes 8 MAYBE 9 Mil annually. Something like a 4 yr 36 or 5 yr 42 Mil extension.

                                Let's not forget, Danny gave us a bit of a break during his last extension. (especially when you look at the extensions that guys like Gay, Johnson and Iggy received)

                                So I don't think it's 100% CRAZY to think that he'd sign for a reasonable deal
                                I'm going to basically defer to the guys who know a lot more about the cap than I do, but the way I see it, we basically already have $32.5 million committed for the 2014-2015 season. Add another $14 million to that for Paul George, and you're at $46.5 million. I'm guessing you can count on at least $12 million for David West, but in all likelihood it will be more than that, but we'll use that number. That puts us at $58.5 million. Even if Granger can be signed for $8 million, that puts us right on the tax line.

                                Unless you think that they will be willing to go into the luxury tax, which I don't, it just won't work out. Maybe a championship this season makes that more feasible.

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