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    Interesting that the first two to come here saying Stern has to and will fight this are Pistons fans. I don't know if that means anything, but it's interesting.
    I would rather he play, would make for a better game but I just don't see it happening.

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    no chance stern allows this to happen, he will fight it.
    ?????

    He's laughing the buttons of his pants at this moment.
    I am not yet convinced this is not a stunt to A. silence certain players and union members and B. placate the crowd in Conseco for a more "less distracting" Christmas game.

    I can for the love of God and many others, not come up with one reason to find the suspension of Ron justifiable as is, and I have a vivid imagination.
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    Stern has a bit of a Napolean complex - he will probably fight it

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    I can for the love of God and many others, not come up with one reason to find the suspension of Ron justifiable as is, and I have a vivid imagination.
    I was going to say "Ron's past behavior", but that's why STERN would do it. As for the arbitrator? Hmm. That is odd. This is probably a "compromise" with the league.

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    Stern doesn't have to fight it. How many cases are going to go to arbitration before the year is up? 0 most likely.

    This point is going to be clarified in the new CBA regardless if Stern appeals or not.

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    I can not see in the warped head of Stern, nor do I at any given moment in time so desire, but......

    He has more to lose then to win by going to court.

    Wait and see how he spins this, but it is my guess he will not take chances and he has set a precedent with Ron, so even if Ron ever comes back to the NBA, the second he makes a flagrant or comments to loud he will be suspened for another year plus.

    After all, he can now count priors in suspending players, anyone want to state that is not a big win for him ?
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    I was going to say "Ron's past behavior", but that's why STERN would do it. As for the arbitrator? Hmm. That is odd. This is probably a "compromise" with the league.
    That is what I am thinking and it is exactly that thought that makes me puke time and time again.

    It means someone sold Ron (and Jax, whom I have less of a problem with) and that thought alone is VERY sickening.
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    I agree it's a big win for Stern.

    I'll sslightly change what I wrote earlier. If I were Stern, I'd come out and say I find the arbitrator's decision interesting but not binding. Independently, my decision is that in light of Jermaine's track record of service to humanity and the fact it is now clear he never left the court, O'Neal's suspension is being reduced to 15 games. The penalities for all the others involved will not be reduced. Case closed.

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    If we sold Ronnie down the river for ten measly games I will be beside myself - this is just so freaking maddening. It makes no sense.

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    Interesting that the first two to come here saying Stern has to and will fight this are Pistons fans. I don't know if that means anything, but it's interesting.
    because they are s c a r e d... now that they get JO as Christmas gift...

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    I am thrilled with this decision.

    JO is our MVP, our key player, the most important part of our championship dream. The earlier we get him back, the better.

    If I had time to dig, I know I said once or twice that it wouldn't surprise me if Kaplan ruled he had authority but still did not significantly reduce the punishmnts.


    I agree with Sixthman, Stern will say "This decision isn't binding but Kaplan's case is compelling so I'm reducing JO's punishment to 15 games."
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    I was wondering if this might happen and here is my thoughts on it:

    It is a timing issue. Literally. When was the game called by the officials? not before Artest and Jackson went into the stands and started swinging at people. But it may have been called BEFORE JO threw his punch. If so then it may simply be that Kaplan viewed Jackson and Artest's actions as being "on the court" because the game was still "active" and that JO's actions were "off court" because the game was called.

    Simply put, he couldn't rule on Artest and Jackson so those suspensions stand. But he can rule on JO and seeks a 10 game reduction.


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    ?????

    He's laughing the buttons of his pants at this moment.
    I am not yet convinced this is not a stunt to A. silence certain players and union members and B. placate the crowd in Conseco for a more "less distracting" Christmas game.

    I can for the love of God and many others, not come up with one reason to find the suspension of Ron justifiable as is, and I have a vivid imagination.
    Really?

    He went into the stands, grabbed a fan who hadn't done anything and helped initiate a riot.

    How's that?
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    I don't believe they threw anyone under a bus, down a river, through the woods, to grandma's house, etc. I think they were looking at choosing between fighting for all 3 equally and losing, or focusing on Jermaine and getting a minor victory. Either gain nothing, or gain a little. This does not mean for a second they were thinking about screwing Artest. I wouldn't be surprised if Ron himself thought it's the smart move for the Pacers, even if he himself is disappointed he can't play this year.

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    If we sold Ronnie down the river for ten measly games I will be beside myself - this is just so freaking maddening. It makes no sense.
    I don't think the Pacers have voided/ bought out his contract (yet), so I wouldn't say they've sold him down the river.
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    because they are s c a r e d... now that they get JO as Christmas gift...
    Yeah thats It, we are scared of a team who has jermaine O'Neal in it lol

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    I was wondering if this might happen and here is my thoughts on it:

    It is a timing issue. Literally. When was the game called by the officials? not before Artest and Jackson went into the stands and started swinging at people. But it may have been called BEFORE JO threw his punch. If so then it may simply be that Kaplan viewed Jackson and Artest's actions as being "on the court" because the game was still "active" and that JO's actions were "off court" because the game was called.

    Simply put, he couldn't rule on Artest and Jackson so those suspensions stand. But he can rule on JO and seeks a 10 game reduction.


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    Interesting. I never thought about it that way before.

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    Really?

    He went into the stands, grabbed a fan who hadn't done anything and helped initiate a riot.

    How's that?
    Great! If your kicks are revionist history.

    Mine is the truth.

    See, different angle but try it, might be a whole new experience.

    (now if you had left the "helped initiate a riot" out of there, you might have had an argument, but I guess you to saw it lacked strength so you had to strengthen it. A bit like Stern did with his mass-media manipulation.
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    Interesting, Outsider, interesting.

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    Outsider, that is the main reason I would like to read the complete ruling, to know these things, there is to much to speculate on right now
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    How can you possibly argue Ron DIDN'T help initiate a riot? He ran into the stands where the drunken idiots roam. That's the only revisionist history I see.

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    you better be *****ing scared of a team with JO you ***got piston fan. UGH! I'm telling you expect atleast a 20 pt blowout! if we lose I'm done...if you can't get up for a game vs the pistons like this then you don't deserve crap.

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    I'm just glad we get JO back sooner. I really think he is the key to any success we can hope for this year, not Ron.

    Besides, who is to say getting Artest back would turn out to be a good thing? There is such a thing as team chemistry and we really don't know that it would be a net positive for him to return this year. Sitting for an entire season may be exactly what he needs.

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    JO's first punch occurred with Ron was still on the court.

    The game is not "called" until Chuck and Reggie escort Ron to the lockerrom. ESPN cuts back to a "full court" view of the vomitorium (a word I didn't know existed prior to this brawl ) as the announcement is made both on TV and over the PA system.

    I think you guys are grasping here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks
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    How can you possibly argue Ron DIDN'T help initiate a riot? He ran into the stands where the drunken idiots roam. That's the only revisionist history I see.


    So you missed Ben's actions, the other things going on on the court, the tossing of a cup, the drunken crowd (aaaah you did notice that)

    Ron not not help initiate a riot, he did not initiate a riot by himself either.

    That process was started BEFORE the cup was thrown, and in full swing when the cup was thrown.

    Ron did not make it better, but he initiated **** all.

    By reacting to something that is happening you are doing that, reacting not starting. action = reaction however the action starts it, the reaction is either a predictable or non-predictable outcome of the initiation.
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