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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

    There are....but I think that most are on the East Coast. I'm on the West Coast and I think dgreenwell3 is as well ( or at least he's up late ).
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    • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

      Originally posted by Pacertron View Post
      As far as simmed player v player games. Sims will happen. I've received a request to overturn the result of a game by Vandy and j7f. I personally have mixed feelings because I too have lost simmed games that I feel I would have won. Slippery slope if you ask me but I will leave it up to the league.
      Are you able to change the results of a SIMMED game that has already played?
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      • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

        Anyone know what is the PacersDigest Handle for the Raptors? on PSN, the ID is DMoney_613.

        I have a scheduled game for the Raptors over the next 3 day ( in Real Time ).
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        • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

          I mapped out the schedule of games that I have to play for the next 3 weeks in the League Calendar ( which roughly translates into 4 REAL TIME DAYS )...and I have 5 Players that I have to schedule time with over the next 2 to 4 days ( in Real time ). Given that I can't play at certain times, I can only play on certain days and am on the West Coast....I am limited to play at certain times. If my Opponent can't make it to those times and can't play by that date on the League Calendar...then the game will get SIMMED....not for lack of trying...but for lack of finding the right time to meet up due to conflicting schedules.

          We may need to face the fact that many of our games will be SIMMED against the CPU and Players.
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          • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            Are you able to change the results of a SIMMED game that has already played?
            I looked at it quick last night. It would let me reset the result of a player v player game. Will check later to see if it will do the same if it was simmed.

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            • Originally posted by Pacertron View Post
              I looked at it quick last night. It would let me reset the result of a player v player game. Will check later to see if it will do the same if it was simmed.
              To be honest this is dangerous. Setting precedents where we give people losses because they have jobs is a dangerous path to go down

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              • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                To be honest this is dangerous. Setting precedents where we give people losses because they have jobs is a dangerous path to go down
                I agree... I feel like there could be more potential for animosity amongst users down the road if we open this box as opposed to sticking w Sim Law...

                Like I had said... I'm ok if Vandy wants his loss back this time... But I may not be ok with it in the future under other circumstances... I think there is a high potential of anger amongst users if we do go away from Sim Law...
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                • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                  All my losses have been simmed, honestly could careless until playoffs come around... 58 games can be a lot since these games take an hour each

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                  • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                    Originally posted by MrHale View Post
                    All my losses have been simmed, honestly could careless until playoffs come around... 58 games can be a lot since these games take an hour each
                    And I would definitely be ok with sim loss overrides in the Playoffs when it counts... And as long as everyone were honest about if they made any attempt to play or not it wouldn't be an issue... But one guy may accuse another guy of not making an attempt and the other guy may say he did... Issues would arise then...

                    That's why i feel we should just stick with Sim Law... It's not perfect... But it is the most arbitrary plan of action...

                    Hopefully people will make just make better attempts to play though once the Playoffs roll around? I know I will...
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                    • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                      Originally posted by J7F View Post
                      And I would definitely be ok with sim loss overrides in the Playoffs when it counts... And as long as everyone were honest about if they made any attempt to play or not it wouldn't be an issue... But one guy may accuse another guy of not making an attempt and the other guy may say he did... Issues would arise then...

                      That's why i feel we should just stick with Sim Law... It's not perfect... But it is the most arbitrary plan of action...

                      Hopefully people will make just make better attempts to play though once the Playoffs roll around? I know I will...
                      However... If we couple that Playoff only override rule with adjusting the league advancement speed to slow during Playoffs only we might be ok... If we change to slow for Playoffs there really shouldn't be any reason that user vs. user games can't be established...
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                      • Originally posted by J7F View Post
                        However... If we couple that Playoff only override rule with adjusting the league advancement speed to slow during Playoffs only we might be ok... If we change to slow for Playoffs there really shouldn't be any reason that user vs. user games can't be established...
                        I am not for any override rule in any case except something nuts (power goes out, Internet shuts off randomly). Your team has to be good enough to play a regular game in my book. this game is a two headed beast, you have to be able to play and you have to be able to work the cap and acquire a talented squad. I see no problem with as is as long as you play say 2 games of every playoff series.

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                        • Everyone's above statements I concur with. Doesn't feel right overriding the sim games. Like everyone else, I lost a sim game I feel I woulda won. A few of em.

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                          • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                            Does anyone know....

                            Faaaadeaway
                            Ghostface_millah
                            Rusty_Go_Nad
                            Wally_ian

                            I have either bad or am about to have a game with these guys and none have accepted my friend requests or responded to messages on a time to play.....

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                            • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                              Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                              To be honest this is dangerous. Setting precedents where we give people losses because they have jobs is a dangerous path to go down
                              I wasn't suggesting changing the outcomes of games that are SIMMED for games against Players that miss a game....I was asking because there was a game that I was playing against Bird Man / Bulls where he was up by 15 points going into the 4th QTR and something happened on his end where the game got disconnected. I'd assume that the CPU would SIM the rest of the game from that point forward.....but after the game was terminated.....the CPU had SIMMED the game from the beginning....giving me the SIMMED win ( despite him being up by 15 points at the end of the 3rd QTR ).

                              I was only suggesting to see if pacertron could change the outcome of that SIMMED game to change the WIN in my favor to a win in favor of Bird Man / Bulls since it was likely that I wouldn't catch up.

                              This is likely a unique situation where I have no problem changing a WIN for me...into a LOSS for me....which I am ok with.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 03-12-2013, 03:09 PM.
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                              • Re: PS3 NBA 2K13 league?

                                Originally posted by Vandy View Post
                                Does anyone know....

                                Faaaadeaway
                                Ghostface_millah
                                Rusty_Go_Nad
                                Wally_ian

                                I have either bad or am about to have a game with these guys and none have accepted my friend requests or responded to messages on a time to play.....
                                PacersDigest User Name_____PSN ID_____Team

                                West

                                Derek2k3_______Derek2k3_______Rockets
                                MrHale_______MrHale_______Blazers
                                N/A (Coop's buddy)_______???_______Thunder
                                CableKC_______CableKC______Warriors
                                KingGeorge_______???_______Nuggets
                                Pacertron_______PacerFlynn31_______Lakers
                                Vandy_______Vandyzach7_______Grizzles
                                Coupe_______OPHELIC______Clippers

                                East

                                Coopdog23_______???_______Pacers
                                J7F_______Jermaine7Fan_______Magic
                                Bird Fan_______bhm184_______Bulls
                                Eddie Gill_______Rusty_Go_Nad_______Celtics
                                Dgreenwell3_______Safespartan_______Heat
                                Ghostface Millah_______Ghostface_Millah_______Nets
                                N/A (My buddy Ian)_______wally_ian______Hawks

                                As for Faaaadeaway and Wally_ian....send a PM to CoopDog23 to see if they know who they are.
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