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Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

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    Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

    Okay I’m not going to lie to anyone.

    I haven’t done an Odd Thoughts since before the all-star break because there was just no possible way I could have been objective.

    I’m telling you I would have sounded like an absolute fool on here if I would have posted after the N.Y. trouncing and had I even attempted to do one after pummeling Detroit I would have sounded like the biggest homer that has ever existed and therefore would have had to turn in all of my memberships to the Debbie Downer Society.

    I almost did one after winning the game in Detroit until it struck me that I was going to be complaining that we only won by 20+ instead of the 30+ from the previous games. If that is your problem, you don’t have a problem.

    It’s several days later & while I’m not nearly as high as I was after last weeks eviscerations I’m still pretty damn high.

    At least I’m no longer demanding that we be able to take this team back in time & redo the 2000 Finals again but this time with this group, I’ll just settle for beating the Thunder in a sweep in the finals this year.

    All joking aside what can be said about those three games other than…..well words still escape me. Hell I’ll just throw out cowabunga and leave it at that.

    Look this is just one of those times where I don’t even want to take the time to try and analyze any part of the game; I just want to enjoy it. Yes I know in my mind that we aren’t that good and New York isn’t that bad but it sure was fun for one night being on the other end of one of those types of games and then for it to happen two more times after that? Good Lord.

    New York was a total shocker to me. I knew they had been struggling but what we did to them was akin to what the U.S. Navy did to the Imperial fleet of Japan at Midway.

    Detroit is really not a good team but they had been playing better of recent. So while it wasn’t nearly as surprising at the one sided victory over the Knicks it still was shocking to see our team leading by 43 points at one point in the first game. Pride and honestly some let down by the Pacers made game 2 a little closer but the results were ultimately the same.

    How did we have such a week? Like I said I’m not going to even bother to analyze this, I’ll just say that we have a combination of great coaching, excellent players and very high character by all involved.

    Now here is the part where I was really hesitant to make and for this reason I waited for several days so that a cooler more logical head would take over. Again either this is the way I truly feel or I’m still too high and everybody should disregard what I’m about to type.

    This is the most fun Indiana Pacers team I have ever seen. I’m not calling them the best (yet) and I’m not even saying they are my favorite (yet) but by far this group is the most fun to watch when they are on the floor.

    Oh don’t get me wrong the 94 team was fun because it was special and new and they were very physical and great defenders and the 2000 team was just a machine that won with brutal efficiency.

    But this team with its combination of skilled players and high flyers and razzle dazzle is unlike either of the other two. At no point in time did we ever see Haywood Workman run the break and toss a no look pass over his head to a cutting Reggie Miller who took off from outside the baseline for a reverse dunk in traffic. Sure Mark Jackson could pass like nobody before or since but either they resulted in Dale Davis two hand dunks or more than likely a Reggie layup or three point attempt.

    These guys are slap the floor kind of defenders and patrol the passing lanes like puma’s looking for prey.

    I love the fact that Paul George now has forgone (for the most part) that wimpy finger roll crap he was trying early in the season and now drives in and thunders home the points with a dunk.

    I love that Lance Stephenson has panache about himself. Yes I understand that just exactly like Nitro he can be combustible but sometimes the fireworks are worth the risk. That being said I understand why Frank yanked him when he did the between the legs jumping in the air pass the other night.

    I love that D.J. Augustine, who I wouldn’t have given you a broken pencil for earlier in the year, gave us a no look ally oop pass to Gerald Green, who I still wouldn’t give you a broken pencil for, that thundered through the basket like manna from heaven.

    I love David West.

    I love Tyler being physical and making other teams crazy.

    I love the fact that the Indiana Pacers are not only getting by with 2 second round draft picks manning the shooting guard spot but we are thriving with them. Tell me if there is one person on here right now who can say anything negative about Orlando Johnson? Dude is a second round pick and was expected to start to bring something to the table in the next couple of years, not even next year, and he is an integral part of our team right now.

    Roy Hibbert & Ian Mahinmi have both held the fort, even with some B.S. foul calls and even Pendegraph has been useful.

    Really other than Green, everybody including Sam Young has been bringing something positive to the table.

    Now Danny didn’t have the best return that you would hope for but there were things that you could see that will work when he gets going again. Right off the bat the first shot he took is something he can get just about any time he wants it against about anybody in the league. That drive in step back jumper, which btw is the shot that beat the Knicks last season, is a real weapon and one that he doesn’t have to have a lot of knee strength to get off. Sure he missed a defensive assignment and his man got an easy bucket but he also blocked a shot early in the game that we got back. But it was a smart move on Frank’s part to make his debut on the road in a game where he could just work himself back.

    But if anyone had any doubts that the team missed him, wished him gone or any ill will all you had to do was watch the bench reaction when he came out after his first made basket of the season. That wasn’t fake people, David West was even smiling for that one.

    Let’s see how he does against the Warriors.

    Our defense is just so good that it is hard to describe and while I credit the players for their talent and buying into the system IMO this all goes to the coaching staff who not only talks about defense but they actually demand it and design a system that works for the players who we have.

    Neither West nor Hansbrough are rim protectors, yet have you noticed as the year goes on that neither of these two are getting lit up in the post? They both are strong and Tyler is deceptively fast. Frank has it so that they are getting double team help when they need it but the biggest thing is that they are not allowing their man to get post position until late in the clock and by that time you either get a rushed shot or in some cases a foul but it’s never easy.

    Okay I’m going against my no analyze rule again.

    I’ll just end it with this, I really am truly excited by this team. Not just for this year but IMO barring injury or the inability to keep players due to contracts for the next few years.

    Are we championship contenders? If you would have asked me after the N.Y. game I would have given you the old Steve Austin “Hell Yea”! If you would have asked me that after the first Detroit game I would have replied with “Are the Heat contenders to taking us down”?

    But since a little time has passed I’ll just say that my thoughts about our advancing in the playoffs are much higher than they have been at any time in the past 13 years.

    I love this team.





    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

    I actually expected something or nothing from OJ this year. I mean he's 22 years old, has reached his physical peak. So when he wasn't playing early on I was worried he never would produce anything.

    Wrong again on my part.

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      Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

      Originally posted by Peck View Post

      I’ll just end it with this, I really am truly excited by this team. Not just for this year but IMO barring injury or the inability to keep players due to contracts for the next few years.
      I would feel much better about that if Bird would come back.

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        Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

        This kind of reminds me of the 00 season in someways though.

        I mean, for the Pacers to make the finals, they have to solve their issues on offense. It certainly looks like they absolutely will. I mean Granger looked spry out there. He's probably going to be scoring come playoff time. The rest of the bench is looking better.. By playoff teams Indiana is probably going to be great on offense. I don't exactly believe in Miami because they haven't been playing the best defense. Late in the playoffs when they have to stop an effective Indiana, they'll probably get beat. (Remember the 97-98 ECF?? The Bulls two stars beat Indiana?? Yeah well they had the best defense all season, and they still barely beat Indiana, That's different than this years Miami team if we were to compare the two)

        I could see them beating Miami and getting beat handily by either OKC or SAS. Both teams have great defenses and great offenses. Kind of like LA in 2000. I mean those teams are better than the best in the east, Indiana and Miami. This years OKC or SAS' team is better than a lot of Championship teams in the last five years I think. Truly great. But, Indiana still has years to grow, so it wouldn't be a disappointment by any means.

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        • #5
          Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

          I'm REALLY LOVING THIS TEAM. I haven't been this engaged and "really" believing in a long time. This team could really win the whole damn thing.
          "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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          • #6
            Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

            I'm actually having fun watching these past few games we've been playing. Its so nice to enjoy a victory without having to worry about moments which are going to give you a heart attack like the first few close calls during the start of the season. The team is definitely on another level right now - I wasn't sure if they had another gear but the way they've made their recent foes just fold like newly washed laundry, I'd say we are indeed on the right track. The March 10th game against the Heat is going to be a big measuring stick. It will definitely be one that neither team will play it off as just a regular season match anymore.

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            • #7
              Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

              The next two games will tell me a lot about this team. Two fast paced volume shooting west coast teams coming to blc. If they can continue thier current path this week they should be considered a elite.

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              • #8
                Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                Wow Peck. What do you do for a living? You're writing is dominate too.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                  My favorite part of Danny's return was his reaction when Tyler got punched. He immediately saw it, immediately appealed to the refs, and immediately demanded something be done. And something WAS done.

                  We need his leadership in those kinds of situations.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                    Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                    I would feel much better about that if Bird would come back.

                    That's the one thing I wish was different about our organization right now. I wish The Legend was still running the show. I'll be forever grateful to him for the fantastic position he put us in.

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                      Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      I actually expected something or nothing from OJ this year.
                      ANALYSIS!!

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                        Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                        Originally posted by dohman View Post
                        The next two games will tell me a lot about this team. Two fast paced volume shooting west coast teams coming to blc. If they can continue thier current path this week they should be considered a elite.
                        Exactly this.

                        Golden State and the Clippers should be fairly decent match-ups for us, just based on the style of play. Theoretically we should be able to take them out of what they are trying to do, and make them play at our pace. They are two very good teams, but if we can hold serve at home against teams like this, there is no reason we shouldn't be considered on equal footing as the other "contenders."

                        I have seen no reason to change what I said after we beat Miami the 2nd time. I'd still pick them to beat us (and everyone else) in seven games. But there is no reason why we shouldn't be considered the primary threat to keep them out of the Finals.

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                          Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                          But if anyone had any doubts that the team missed him, wished him gone or any ill will all you had to do was watch the bench reaction when he came out after his first made basket of the season. That wasn’t fake people, David West was even smiling for that one.

                          I thought maybe this was one of the most significant events of the whole season. There are a lot of NBA teams where the players if their "best" player comes back they would not be all that excited, at least not to the extent the players showed after Danny's first make. That shows me as we all suspected the chemistry is perfect on this team right now


                          Our defense is just so good that it is hard to describe and while I credit the players for their talent and buying into the system IMO this all goes to the coaching staff who not only talks about defense but they actually demand it and design a system that works for the players who we have.
                          I started a thread maybe 6 weeks ago asking if this was the Pacers best NBA defensive team ever. At the time I said no, right now I think it probably is. I think it is starting to get to the 2004 Detroit Pistons level. And I would put that one season defense after they acquired Sheed as the best defensive team I have ever seen. Rules have been changed and that level and style is likely not possible today. But as far as being equally effective in todays NBA, we are approaching that level.

                          One thing I've noticed over the past week or so is the defense is more aggressive. Almost like they know they will make the offense take a bad shot, but now they are saying, OK lets take this to the next level. They are swarming the ball and yet still staying to the rock solid principles. Their defensive confidence is extremely high, but more than that and more importantly, the players are trusting each other so much they know if they go for a steal their teammate will help. The team system right now almost has no weaknesses and when the bench comes in the defense is still solid.

                          I have been thinking that Dan Burke has been primarily in charge of the defense, but the head coach is also the primary figure in all this as well.

                          Regardless I would give this coaching staff an A+ to this point in the season. Only other year I might give a Pacers coaching an A+ was 1994, Brown's first season. And I've always said that was the best coahcing job I have ever seen.
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-26-2013, 09:53 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                            I had the recording on my DVR of game 3 from the ECSF last year. It was when they did the shortened series on NBA TV all 6 games in a row. Condensed into about an hour. I was going through my DVR and decided to give this one watch.

                            Two things stuck out.

                            1.) Man, if we can get that Roy Hibbert back.....

                            and

                            2.) Danny totally dominates the first 4 minutes of the game. At the 8 minute mark, we are up 9-2, Miami is forced to call a timeout, and as far as I can count Danny has hit a 3, drawn a foul on a fast break after he and Paul combine to force a turnover in the open court, and he forces Lebron into a couple bad shots. Yes, we lost that early advantage when Barbosa and Lou came in and promptly got their *** handed to them by the Lebron and Wade in pick and roll situations (mainly Lebron in this game, Chalmers kind of steps in for Wade, but still the get abused.) I don't see Lance and Ian being exposed in the same way (or Danny and Ian if that came to pass).


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                              Re: Odd thoughts: Nation of Domination week of 2/17 - 2/23

                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              My favorite part of Danny's return was his reaction when Tyler got punched. He immediately saw it, immediately appealed to the refs, and immediately demanded something be done. And something WAS done.

                              We need his leadership in those kinds of situations.
                              My exact thoughts, which I commented on in an earlier post. None of our players except Tyler have gotten involved when their teammates get hammered. That was always Danny's job and he always stepped up. Good to see him back in form. Fake tough, my A$$, Danny is and always has been the real deal and a leader.

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