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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...learned-sunday

    "Everywhere I go in Indianapolis, I hear someone say that the Alex Smith-to-Kansas City Chiefs deal is all but done. (Now CBS is reporting a deal is "effectively done" for Smith, but won't name the team.) Jacksonville Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell said it's "not us" who has a deal in place in a text to the Florida Times-Union. NFL.com's Albert Breer reported a high-ranking San Francisco 49ers source says he's not aware of a deal being done. NFL.com's Ian Rapoport says the Chiefs have showed the most interest. Mr. RapSheet also hears the Chiefs are particularly high on tackle Luke Joeckel as a No. 1 overall pick candidate."

    Trades can be made until the league season officially opens on March 12

    http://www.profootballcentral.com/20...ed-alex-smith/

    "Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle to acquire 49ers QB Alex Smith as I have been reporting all week."

    other supporting tweets:
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    https://twitter.com/PFCentral/status/305830393871994881


    makes sense & Andy Reid could probably get the most out of him. The price is unclear, but pick #63 (top of 3rd round) plus perhaps a conditional pick based on performance doesn't seem out of line
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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    Hmmm win win for both sides? Possibly, although I don't think the 49ers are gonna get back the first pick of the 3rd round. I mean for what we know or guess for that matter, the 49ers will cut Smith if they can't find a trade for him and then the Chiefs will be able to take him without giving up anything. We'll see.
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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    alex smith is a game manager, but this draft doesnt have any franchise type of QB's like Luck in it, so i guess they are better off by drafting geno smith and let him sit for a few years behind a decent vet

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    looks like a great deal for San Fran- a second rounder, plus another midrounder next year based on performance by Smith

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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    Cheifs are fools for making this trade, like was said before smith is a game manager, nothing more, and when under pressure last year he ended up doing worst than Blain Gabbert, this was a horrible trade no matter how you look at it, and to give up basically a 1st was a big waste.

    http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/...blaine-gabbert

    pressure can be defined differently, in this case we are considering smiths throwaways as incompletions,

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

    this case we are just talking about the passes he attempted.

    This from earlier in the season is even worst and shows Cassel put up better stats on 3rd downs than Smith in various categories

    http://www.coltsauthority.com/2012-a...-magician.html


    I don't think KC did their HW, I think they saw a guy with a good record, saw the lack of top passes in the draft and made a silly decision in my view.
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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    so what does KC do? They can't take a qb with the first pick. It would be a horrible move to do that. Alex Smith is a solid starting QB in this league. He will win you games. And he wont really lose you games. He will bring stability to a Chiefs team that badly needs it. Reid will know how to use him the right way.

    Chiefs need a QB now. None are in the draft. They are all projects.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    Few points:

    1) Such a fool for believing that if Kansas gave up their 3rd round pick they would be sort of robbed. They gave up their second round pick which is even worse and now the 49ers have the 31st and 34th pick in the upcoming draft.

    2) Does that trade make Kansas relevant again? Especially if they sustain Bowe? Smith may not be elite but I am sure he will be much better than Quinn or Cassel for example and their receivers will feel much more confident with him on the helm of this team. Let's not forget they have also got a very good RB in Jamaal Charles. Plus Andy Reid, I believe will have a positive impact on this team's offense.

    3) How the hell SF ended up with 15 picks in this draft? Through other trades too that happened last year or in the previous ones? Anyway, that's a hell of a deal for them and will make them even stronger. That's hypothetical of course cause you never know how the picks will turn out but the odds are with them.
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    Default Re: Alex Smith trade "effectively is done" and probably it's the Chiefs, for a high 3rd rounder

    I'm still skeptical about Smith. He's lost his job to the likes of J.T. O'Sullivan and Shaun Hill. I think he looked good the past couple of years in San Fran because of great coaching and game planning. Don't forget that Matt Cassel also looked really good when he was surrounded with great coaching and teammates in New England. We all saw how his stint in KC worked out. But in Smith's defense, he did have a revolving door of offensive coordinators at the beginning of his career. That's not easy for a young QB to deal with.

    But wow, what a great deal for San Francisco. They have five picks in the top 100. A team that is already stockpiled with young talent is only going to get tougher. They will be a monster for years.

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    so what does KC do? They can't take a qb with the first pick. It would be a horrible move to do that. Alex Smith is a solid starting QB in this league. He will win you games. And he wont really lose you games. He will bring stability to a Chiefs team that badly needs it. Reid will know how to use him the right way.

    Chiefs need a QB now. None are in the draft. They are all projects.
    You are fooling yourself, the data is right below.... He won't win you games but you are right he won't lose you games in a sense, even though he does not throw interceptions, he is horrible under pressure, and had the highest sack rate under pressure of any QB in the NFL, I say blitz him on 3rd downs and take your chances.

    Also I think the only reason he was stable in SF was because he was not asked to do much, you have a top 5 defense, a top running game, and the top line in football, if you lose there then there is a big problem.

    As far as QB, I agree it is hard taking a QB #1 overall in this draft, but with the 1st pick of the 2nd they could have got everything that Smith brings besides experience, and they are a team that is building, they have time to wait for a QB to develop, and really it would have been cheaper to get a vet and let the youngster learn for a year than to go grab Alex Smith, it was just a bad move all together.
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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    I do not understand why this makes sense for the Chiefs. Alex is not know for his arm, being able to handle a large volumes of passes and the 49ers tended to have more success the less he threw the ball. I do not see how that fits well in an Andy Reid offense that wants to pass, pass, and then pass some more while ignoring his top 5 RB.

    I mean the Eagles had McCoy who is a beast and Andy went out of his way to not use him last season.

    Good move by the 49ers though.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    Smith will win you games. Did you see the Saints/49ers game in the playoffs 2 years ago? He was phenomenal. And sometimes taking a sack is a good play. Do I think he is going to lead the league in qb rating again next year? No of course not. But he's going to be good for KC.

    In the NFL there is never time to wait. So they draft a QB on day 2. What do they do for 2-3 years? Reid will lose his job by then.

    Reid knows what he is doing. He's excellent in the draft and he's excellent with QBs.

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    Smith will win you games. Did you see the Saints/49ers game in the playoffs 2 years ago? He was phenomenal. And sometimes taking a sack is a good play. Do I think he is going to lead the league in qb rating again next year? No of course not. But he's going to be good for KC.

    In the NFL there is never time to wait. So they draft a QB on day 2. What do they do for 2-3 years? Reid will lose his job by then.

    Reid knows what he is doing. He's excellent in the draft and he's excellent with QBs.
    Smith looks good when he is surrounded with Super Bowl quality teammates and an excellent coaching staff. Reid is a good coach and KC actually had a lot of pro bowlers last year, but they aren't on an SF talent level. I'm just having flashbacks of Matt Cassel. He looked pretty damn solid in New England becuase he was surrounded by great teammates and an excellent coaching staff that refused to lose. Then we all saw how he looked at K.C. Has any other QB in the NFL lost their starting job as much as Alex Smith? I think he's a QB who might not lose you games if he has an excellent team around him, but I'm not convinced that he can actually go out and win you games consistently with average talent.

    But the Colts, Vikings, and Redskins showed that a rapid turnaround is always possible in the NFL. It's a game of inches, so great coaching and playmakers can win you games. It will be interesting to see how this turns out for the Chiefs. Aside from Denver, they do play in a fairly weak division.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    Pats' division ain't that hard too.
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    Smith will win you games. Did you see the Saints/49ers game in the playoffs 2 years ago? He was phenomenal. And sometimes taking a sack is a good play. Do I think he is going to lead the league in qb rating again next year? No of course not. But he's going to be good for KC.

    In the NFL there is never time to wait. So they draft a QB on day 2. What do they do for 2-3 years? Reid will lose his job by then.

    Reid knows what he is doing. He's excellent in the draft and he's excellent with QBs.
    There have been QB's taken outside of the first that have turned out to be steals, another thing I said was that I don't feel Smith really offers a bunch and you could get the majority of what he has in the 2nd. As far as a QB, the best thing to do is solidify your line, because if you don't it will be hard for anyone to succeed, and I think this is the reason they will go line with the #1 pick.

    Also everyone has good games when they are in rhythm, but unless they do it consistently it does not really matter.
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    Pats' division ain't that hard too.
    Neither is KC's, only team dominating is Broncos, SD sucks, Oakland really sucks.
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    I like the move for KC. They have some great defensive pieces and a decent stable of backs. Add in a new QB who is a great game manager and the top LT in the draft? I'll be interested to see if Bowe stays and how Holgram coaches this new group.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

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    There have been QB's taken outside of the first that have turned out to be steals, another thing I said was that I don't feel Smith really offers a bunch and you could get the majority of what he has in the 2nd. As far as a QB, the best thing to do is solidify your line, because if you don't it will be hard for anyone to succeed, and I think this is the reason they will go line with the #1 pick.

    Also everyone has good games when they are in rhythm, but unless they do it consistently it does not really matter.
    he did it for 2 years. how much more consistent do you want him to be?

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    he did it for 2 years. how much more consistent do you want him to be?
    I think people want to see how he does when he isn't on a super stacked well-coached team like San Francisco. Reid is a good coach, but KC doesn't have SF's talent.

    Is there a single QB in the NFL who has lost his job as much as Smith? Despite playing well in 2011 and most of this season, he still ended up losing his job to someone who hardly anyone had heard of prior to this season. Smith might not lose you games if he has a great roster around him, but is he a QB who can go out and win you games with an average roster?

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    That's what separates a decent QB from a very good one. Just by his appearance on the team, does he make it better and somehow disguises the deficiencies on other lines/positions?
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    he did it for 2 years. how much more consistent do you want him to be?
    He did not consistently have amazing games, or win games for his team.
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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    I think you guys are setting the requirements for Smith to be a good qb way too high. Even in the two years before Harbaugh took over Smith was an average starter in SF. He was right at the 60% completion mark and slightly about 80 on the qb rating. And that was after how many different offenses he had to learn. And he didn't have the best of weapons around him. Then Harbaugh came in, team got better, Alex improved as well, and he was pretty damn good for SF.

    You don't complete 70% of your passes just because you have a good team around you. You do that because you are a good QB. He went 21-6-1 the last two years of starting. He had a lot to do with that. To sit there and say he didn't win games for his team is just naive. Just because they 49ers didn't needs 4th quarter comebacks like the Colts did all year doesnt mean Smith didn't win them games. He won them games by not making stupid plays, not turning the ball over, and by completing a very high percentage of passes. He's not flashy. He just goes out there and gets the job done.

    Is he going to complete 70% of his passes in KC next season? Nope. But he will complete over 60%. He won't turn the ball over at a high rate. Last year the Chiefs QB's combined for 57.5% completions, 8 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Alex Smith is gonna be a hell of a lot better than that. The Chiefs have a strong running game with Charles (over 1500 yards last season). Bowe is a fantastic WR. Andy Reid will use the draft to sure up their offensive line too.

    Its a good trade. The pick they would have gotten in the second round, it would be highly unlikely that it would have the impact that Smith will.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    Actually, I just went and looked. To say Alex Smith didn't win the 49ers games is really just flat out wrong. We all know about the playoff game against the Saints. But that 2011 season he lead quite a few 4th quarter comebacks. Against the Bengals he had a 10 play 72 yard touchdown drive to give them the lead and then added a FG later to secure the win. Against Philly they were down 20-3 at the half, they win the game 24-23. Smith was huge in that second half, I remember watching and crying as I'm an Eagles fan. Against the Giants he lead 2 touchdown drives in the 4th. And there were a couple other close games they were ahead in by a few points where he maintained or extended that lead for them to secure the win.

    He's not flashy, but to say he doesn't win games just isn't fair.

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    Default Re: Alex Smith traded to the Chiefs (edited), for a high 2nd rounder + more

    I will say this, you complete high percentage with easy passes, and with a strong run game, it also helps if you are taking sacks at a higher rate than any other player.

    We will see what happens when the season comes around, fair enough?
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