But the people that like to pretend that the college game is more "pure" or "true to the spirit of the game" or whatever ******** cliche you want to throw out, gimme a break. The corruption in college athletics is Vegas and pro is a riverboat on the Ohio in comparison. People like college games over pro because it allows them to feel young again and like they're part of "something." Which is all well and good, I'm not going to tell someone how or why to be a fan. But this belief that the NBA isn't the absolute highest Mount Everest peak of quality basketball is just flat out wrong. If you want to watch the best basketball in the world you're an NBA fan and if someone disagrees they're certainly entitled to, but they're wrong.
I was impressed by both articles. They were both creative and expressed an interesting viewpoint. Clearly I align myself more with the first, but the response reflects a real attitude of the casual fan, and probably shouldn't be dismissed. I'm surprised by the venomous reaction, to be honest. I agree with VAPacersfan take on this. This Pacers need the casual/bandwagon fan.
Regardless, the whole discussion is silly. This team is real, and the fans will come. In another month this will be a non-issue. The Pacers will be the new Colts. People on PD knew it before everyone else, but it will happen nonetheless. And longtime Pacers fans like myself (and most here on PD) will just grin on the inside, knowing that they aren't "real fans." But we will nonetheless enjoy the ride, and the Simons will enjoy their money.
Buckle up kids; this is going to be fun!!!
Look, obviously some of it reflects a real attitude. But I really hope that not the whole article reflects a real attitude. Because if people in Indiana really believe that the Pacers are LeBron's *****es and have a Washington General feel then I will just be severely disappointed
Ignorant people that don't care about the sport to begin with are irrelevant.
"Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird
College and NBA are like comparing apples and oranges. They both taste good but neither are much alike.
It's certainly true that NBA players are far more talented on average. They are professionals and don't go to classes. It's their job. They are going to be much better. The game is going to show that talent level. I get that.
But college games are dog fights. I've never seen a regular season NBA game as scrappy as some college games. A lot of people enjoy watching that level of aggressiveness. In contrast, I have watched some NBA games and both teams look like they're about to fall asleep in comparison.
THAT is why many people like college ball more than NBA. I'm not one of those people, but I do understand it.
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....
No. Scrappy in a way that an entire season is perhaps beating that particular team in that particular game. More is riding on each college game because there are less games. Teams go an entire week at times prepping.
Also, the structure of the tournament is more thrilling because it's one and done. A last second shot where you are in or out is far, far more common. That's just scratching the surface.
It's just a different game. Apples and oranges. All are free to their opinion.
I am a fan of both college and NBA basketball, but the "meaningfulness" aspect attributed to regular season college games is overrated. The IU-MSU game was thrilling to watch - great & intense basketball. The meaning of the game was that IU became slightly more likely to get the overall #1 seed in a 68 team single elimination tournament whereas MSU became slightly more likely to instead get a #2 seed. If MSU had won, the slight edge in seeding would be the other way round. If MSU had won by 50 and if IU lost every one of their remaining games, IU would still make the tournament.
The games have meaning in that you want to win a conference, just like all Pacers games have meaning because we want to win our division, get a #2 seed, and have a clearer path to the ECF.
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The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
I'm (maybe) back after being repetedly banned, merely for supporting a different NFL team than do certain forum moderators.
I talked to a customer in my store yesterday that actually said, "I know they're second in the East, but they've gotta clean up the stuff off the court." I said they have and that everyone on the roster is good, and he re-emphasized "OFF the court."
I couldn't believe it, but he still thought we were having strip club shootings.
That gentleman is the minority now. I am routinely having conversations with people about how well the team is doing, and people are actually claiming to be Pacers fans again. We're getting there.
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What you say may be true about IU. But it isn't necessarily true for every NCAA team.
I was not an NBA fan before watching a Pacers game. In fact, I pretty much hated the NBA and was largely ignorant about it. I liked the Pacers due to some older NBA Live game that had the team that featured Rik Smits but never actually thought about following any NBA team as I disliked the league since it was too superstar driven for my taste. I became intrigued with the NBA during the lock-out (I know, that's ironic) and I decided to watch a pre-season game of the Pacers since they were the team I liked the most. I was captivated. The Pacers lost eventually but I liked the team a lot. Their style of play didn't remind me of the NBA I despised. It wasn't about a superstar. It was about a team. They played D, they crashed the boards, they played inside-out and they were physical.
So, I decided to follow them. Yes, I've never actually gone to a Pacers game since I live in another continent. But I've watched at least 98% of the games since then despite the starting hour for most of the home games (the 7:00 start to you) being 2 o' clock in the morning in Greece. And it gets worse in road games. But frankly, I don't give a damn. I will gladly sacrifice some sleep to watch the team I love. And it's the same with several other international fans that frequent this board. I'm not the only one doing this.
Also, I did not criticize your Pacer fandom. I didn't say that you have to come to the games to be a real fan or anything. Frankly, my problem is not with the people that don't attend the games. They have their reasons and they it's their right to do so. My problem is with the people that know nothing about this team and yet still spew BS about it. Like the guy that pizza guy mentioned in his post. Like the author of that article.
Simply put, I have no problem with you, rm1369. You have every right to not go to Pacers games. That's not my issue.
I have problems with the author of that article. That's my issue from the very beginning of this thread.
IDK. Just like NFL football, regular season college games are simply more meaningful because there are a lot less of them. Games in the tournament are even more important. Each and every one of those games is like a game #7 in the NBA. That's why it's called March Madness.
I understand this is an NBA board,,,
As to my 5000 posts. I think the majority of posters here on PD will attest that while I have strong opinions, I am more than willing to own up to them if proven wrong. As well as keeping it civil with not posting derogatory personal attcks towards anybody. Otherwise I would have been banned by now.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.