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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

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  • #31
    Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

    What is the crime with sitting in the balcony?

    Yes it is high up, but the views are still excellent, you an see offensive sets develop better, and you watch the game in the premier arena in the NBA. The arena experience/vantage point is much better than television. I still have yet to figure this out.

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    • #32
      Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      Just a couple thoughts, this guy basically affirms the stereotype that Indianapolis people are homebodies. They would rather stay at home and be a couch potato than actually go out and see any form of live entertainment unless its free, or lots of alcohol is involved. Its the same reason why the Indianapolis Sympony had so much trouble this year raising money to even exist. People would rather stay at home than actually sponge up any sort of real culture.

      I can't stand his last set of paragraphs where he basically calls the team irrelevant.
      This is a very good observation about not only Indy but the entire sports fan community. TV has made it possible to share in the excitement of games without the bother of actually going to the game. You see plays much more vividly on a HDTV than in attendance, unless you have front row seats. The stay at home fan is the creation of the League and Sports Television and is not just a problem in Indpls. Go to a nice sports bar with your friends, have some adult beverages and watch the games on large screen tvs.

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      • #33
        Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

        Originally posted by PacerPenguins View Post
        We all know people will be in the seats come playoff time, so why can't they go to regular season games? I dont get it
        Because most people think the regular season is largely irrelevant? I don't necessarily agree but it's not an uncommon thought.
        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

        -Lance Stephenson

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        • #34
          Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

          I wonder if his feelings will change after we win the title this year? Go Pacers!

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          • #35
            Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

            He made a few good points. The points that are valid are that...

            1. The City has helped the Pacers out financially.

            2. The Pacers shouldn't be begging people to come to the games or questioning them when they don't. Let the media handle calling out the public.

            3. This:
            The answer is that television contracts and television ratings are what drive your success. So let’s not get carried away fretting about whether 13,000 or 16,000 show up on Tuesday night to watch you play the Warriors. Don’t be so insecure. Let’s look forward to revenue sharing.
            Revenue sharing is going to be huge this year. Look at the luxury tax bills the Knicks and Lakers are going to pay. You could purchase another Big Screen billboard with the money the Pacers will probably get this year. Yeah, and the Pacers probably shouldn't be so insecure.

            I think you guys have clearly pointed out what he's gotten wrong but that doesn't mean that the 3 things above don't have any merit.

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            • #36
              Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

              Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
              What is the crime with sitting in the balcony?

              Yes it is high up, but the views are still excellent, you an see offensive sets develop better, and you watch the game in the premier arena in the NBA. The arena experience/vantage point is much better than television. I still have yet to figure this out.
              I totally agree. Also, the new big screen billboard negates the problem of not being able to see as well from the balcony.

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              • #37
                Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                I've got an idea, and I know it will never happen, but how about we just drop the whole subject. The more the local media has brought up that the fans aren't showing up, it seems like locals are actually rebelling against showing up. It makes the Pacers organization look like whiny little brats.

                IF THE TEAM KEEPS WINNING (talking deep playoff run), PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP TO THE GAMES.

                That's how Indiana works. It's really that simple.

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                • #38
                  Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                  Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                  What is the crime with sitting in the balcony?

                  Yes it is high up, but the views are still excellent, you an see offensive sets develop better, and you watch the game in the premier arena in the NBA. The arena experience/vantage point is much better than television. I still have yet to figure this out.
                  I've stated several times already, but my seats are in the balcony and I love them. I'm only speaking for myself, but it's not just about the view. It's about being in the building. I've been to every home game since Feb. 5, 2010. Long story, but I've only missed one game since late 2008. I love being able to say I've been there for every game that Lance has suited up, when Danny hit the jumper to beat the Knicks, the time Jeff Foster tripped the nut who ran on to the floor or the time we beat the Knicks by 34 while basically having a dunk contest at the same time.

                  Sure I could watch those games at home, but it wouldn't carry the same weight for me. The crazy part: my tickets the last two seasons come out to an average of $8/game. Well worth it, in my opinion.

                  I completely understand people have reasons for not attending games and that's fine. Everyone's situation is different. I'm just ready to stop talking about attendance and start enjoying the fact that we are damn good team with a legitimate shot of winning a title. As Peck has said numerous times, attendance has gotten better this season. We are trending in the right direction already. That's all I can really ask for.
                  Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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                  • #39
                    Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                    Originally posted by BPump33 View Post
                    I've stated several times already, but my seats are in the balcony and I love them. I'm only speaking for myself, but it's not just about the view. It's about being in the building. I've been to every home game since Feb. 5, 2010. Long story, but I've only missed one game since late 2008. I love being able to say I've been there for every game that Lance has suited up, when Danny hit the jumper to beat the Knicks, the time Jeff Foster tripped the nut who ran on to the floor or the time we beat the Knicks by 34 while basically having a dunk contest at the same time.

                    Sure I could watch those games at home, but it wouldn't carry the same weight for me. The crazy part: my tickets the last two seasons come out to an average of $8/game. Well worth it, in my opinion.

                    I completely understand people have reasons for not attending games and that's fine. Everyone's situation is different. I'm just ready to stop talking about attendance and start enjoying the fact that we are damn good team with a legitimate shot of winning a title. As Peck has said numerous times, attendance has gotten better this season. We are trending in the right direction already. That's all I can really ask for.
                    Agree with the whole post but mostly this last part. The sooner we all stop talking about "attendance issues" and just enjoy how awesome our team, the sooner attendance won't be an issue at all.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                      To be fair, the Pacers org really hasn't complained about people not showing up. It's been the media. The Pacers have just been running different specials and winning basketball games.


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                      • #41
                        Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                        First of all, Thank God Paul George went to a small school. He'd be the number one draft pick in that class now.

                        Second, I think the letter is hypocritical, but I'll give him a little bit of credit when it comes to his argument with tv deals and ticket prices.

                        Sure, they are cheap. I don't think he realizes how cheap (for instance, it's cheaper than our women's college basketball team. And let's not even get into Knicks prices..) but when you have a television...and it's cold outside...50 dollars per person is a little pricey.

                        And tv deals are where the money is for NBA teams. But that's not the point. It's about the atmosphere.

                        People are impatient. If this team beats the Heat in the playoffs and the starters return..fans will show up. It takes time to build up fans. Even last season, we weren't an elite team. This year, I think we really are. And it'll show in the playoffs.

                        And finally...if Indiana's odds to win a championship are really 25-1...I'm going to have to look at that....
                        Last edited by Sookie; 02-22-2013, 11:15 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          To be fair, the Pacers org really hasn't complained about people not showing up. It's been the media. The Pacers have just been running different specials and winning basketball games.
                          And that's all I want from them. I agree with Mosley, though. The media beating people over the head with this seems to be doing more harm than help. Just keep winning.
                          Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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                          • #43
                            Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                            Dude is nothing but a smartass that is masquerading as "liking" the Pacers when its quite clear he not only doesnt but is quite bitter as well...The article should be removed....hes not worthy of the attention.
                            The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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                            • #44
                              Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              To be fair, the Pacers org really hasn't complained about people not showing up. It's been the media. The Pacers have just been running different specials and winning basketball games.

                              As they should. I think taking out an full page ad in the Star, or some kind of campaign somewhere, saying they don't think they "deserve" your money, but are working hard towards putting a product worth your money would do some good.

                              I don't think guilting people into attending games is really going to do the trick. I would imagine it actually creates some animosity.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                                Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                                Dude is nothing but a smartass that is masquerading as "liking" the Pacers when its quite clear he not only doesnt but is quite bitter as well...The article should be removed....hes not worthy of the attention.
                                Might be true, but he's a lot closer to the average person than we are or there wouldn't be a need to have these discussions. PS&E/NBA need to figure out a way to reach people like him, not tell him to **** off.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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