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    Default Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

    Hi guys. I recently posted a link to a piece a wrote that was framed as a love letter from Pacers to Indy. It was surprisingly popular; it became by far the most read thing that's ever appeared in the near 2-year history of the Indy-based website, Punchnel's, where it was published.

    Now, another writer has submitted a "response article,"saying to the Pacers, "Maybe we're just not into you." The writer makes some interesting arguments, and I'm curious what you guys think about them.

    Here's his story:

    http://www.punchnels.com/first-perso...so-fast-romeo/

    Dear Pacers,

    I know you want me back and you make a good case that you have done your job. I commend you for it. Smart draft picks like Danny, Roy, and Paul have worked out well. I am pleasantly surprised by the success of David West and George Hill in the post-South Beach era of free agent migration to big markets. You have rebuilt better and faster than I would have thought possible.

    I really like Frank Vogel. Is it true that he is Brad Stevens’ older brother?

    For the record, I don’t care about the Brawl. I am over Jamaal Tinsley. Kravitz is right: I am not racist. I understand that the NBA has the best talent, but it is not always the best showcase for it. I am a Big Ten fan and is it true that I prefer the atmosphere and intensity of a good game at Hinkle. We’ve tried to kill the high school basketball tournament but I still like to go to a good prep matchup. It’s a tough combination for you to be in a small market but not the only game in town. My guess is that the people in Portland don’t have the same kind of basketball entertainment options that we do.

    But I get a little tired of anybody telling me what my responsibility as fan is, and what teams “deserve” from me. This seems to be unique to sports. When Sylvester Stallone makes a ****** movie (link to any of a dozen movies), Sly doesn’t tell people he “deserves” the support of his fans. Sports are entertainment, and the product needs to provide entertainment value. It’s not a relationship, it’s an entertainment choice.

    You sold out long ago to the corporate suites and deep-pocket season ticket holders. You decided on a business model that relied on ticket sales to the upper class and TV contracts for the middle class. So let’s not be too quick to blame the fan base when they are a little hesitant to take the family to a game.

    I looked for tickets for Friday night’s game against Detroit. Seats below the concourse are $90 minimum. Yes, I know you say that I could probably find a cheaper ticket from a scalper, but that’s not really helping you out. And I could sit up above…

    But you do realize what the game looks like on an HD TV in my basement, right? Are you really making the case that the cheap seats are a smart play? For the cost of taking a family of four to the game, I can buy a new Samsung, and I get to watch Brooke Olzendam.

    Plus, I don’t think it’s fair for you to measure my feelings for you based on attendance. You are averaging 80 percent of the seats filled. What kind of business model are you running where 80 percent of capacity not only isn’t good enough, it brings national scrutiny?

    If you sold 3,000 more tickets for 41 home games at $50 a ticket, that nets you around $6 million, maybe a little more after you sell $9 beers. That’s chump change.

    Can’t we say we love you by building you a new fieldhouse and giving you money to operate it? We just voted to give you an additional $10 million of taxpayer money to go with the original $33.5 million. You seem a little needy. Please don’t trade in your strip club handgun for a metaphoric one that says we need to support you, or else.

    If attendance were so important, why wouldn’t the NHL be doing better? Have you compared their attendance figures to the NBA? In many cities where they compete, usually in the same arenas, the NHL teams beat the NBA teams.

    The answer is that television contracts and television ratings are what drive your success. So let’s not get carried away fretting about whether 13,000 or 16,000 show up on Tuesday night to watch you play the Warriors. Don’t be so insecure. Let’s look forward to revenue sharing.

    And by the way, do you know the last time you gave us a single digit draft pick? Probably not. We were much younger then. It was 1989 and George McCloud. I know it’s not your fault. In fact, it’s because you haven’t tanked that we have been stuck in mediocrity. I guess we used all our civic good fortune with the Colts, but it would be nice to get a Kevin Durant every once in a while.

    Finally–and this is hard for me to say, because I really do like you–but you have a certain Washington Generals feel. I’m not talking about the Hansbrough brothers. I mean that there’s a big dead end ahead. Oh, I know you were up 2-1 on the Heat last spring, and you have beaten them twice in the regular season. But you are Lebron’s *****. I don’t know if he is better than Michael Jordan, but I know we won’t be going to the finals until he retires or takes his talents to the White Sox. You say this is pessimistic? At the All Star break, Vegas oddsmakers had the Pacers at 25-1 to win the championship. You have the eighth-best record in the league. In any other sport with this resume, you’d have better odds. But Vegas knows how the NBA works.

    So I can emotionally and financially invest in you now and be rewarded in May by watching Joey Crawford treat Dywane Wade like he’s porcelain. Let’s be frank: you are regular-season programming and playoff fodder.

    I’m sorry if that hurts. Yes, we have a chance. Yes, you’ve changed. Yes, it turns me on when you embarass the Knicks. Yes, I promise to go to a game. Yes, I like you. But let’s just be friends.
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    I'm not even a little bit upset at this guys response. Again everyone has their reasons for attending/not attending a Pacers game. I mean I live in south Florida and I'd kill to be able to make it up to a game at BLF. I also attend all the games they play in Miami every year, but I wasn't going to this year since the tickets are butt **** expensive until my girl surprised me with tickets for christmas. I'd like to think if I moved up to Indiana that I would aim to purchase season tickets and this is solely due to not having the opportunity to experience Pacers basketball live in the town where they are loved instead of here where I am pretty much threatened by Heat fans to get my *** kicked lol.

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    Yeah, he is clearly over Tinsley
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    in the town where they are loved.
    This article didn't imply any love from the town.

    Let's just hope that they are a minority
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    I am not entirely sure what he means by "below the concourse" I assume he means the lower level His claim that the lowest price seat is $90.00 is true only if you pay the ticketmaster service fees. He could have bought those a week ago or so without the service fees, if he really wanted and the tickets would have been 78

    This paragraph is such Bull-****.
    And by the way, do you know the last time you gave us a single digit draft pick? Probably not. We were much younger then. It was 1989 and George McCloud. I know it’s not your fault. In fact, it’s because you haven’t tanked that we have been stuck in mediocrity. I guess we used all our civic good fortune with the Colts, but it would be nice to get a Kevin Durant every once in a while.



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    I am not entirely sure what he means by "below the concourse" I assume he means the lower level His claim that the lowest price seat is $90.00 is simply not true.


    This paragraph is such Bull-****.
    And by the way, do you know the last time you gave us a single digit draft pick? Probably not. We were much younger then. It was 1989 and George McCloud. I know it’s not your fault. In fact, it’s because you haven’t tanked that we have been stuck in mediocrity. I guess we used all our civic good fortune with the Colts, but it would be nice to get a Kevin Durant every once in a while.



    Maybe he should just become an OKC fan? Not sure the Pacers need/want fans like him anyway. This team is special, period, end of story. If some people do not realize that by now then they never will. Having come up from GA the last few seasons I can say that the fans that do attend the games are by far the most passionate and fun to be around of any pro sporting event I have attended. The last thing I want is to have to cheer for the Sacramento Pacers so I am hoping people open their eyes and realize what they have before it is gone.
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    And by the way, do you know the last time you gave us a single digit draft pick? Probably not. We were much younger then. It was 1989 and George McCloud. I know it’s not your fault. In fact, it’s because you haven’t tanked that we have been stuck in mediocrity. I guess we used all our civic good fortune with the Colts, but it would be nice to get a Kevin Durant every once in a while.
    Lost me there - the Pacers have largely been competitive throughout this entire era and the fact that the Brawl and fall out the season after still never dropped us beyond like 10th in the conference is commendable, not condemnable.

    Otherwise, makes a fair enough argument.
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    Maybe he should just become an OKC fan? Not sure the Pacers need/want fans like him anyway. This is team is specail, period, end of story. The last thing I want is to have to cheer for the Sacramento Pacers!
    Correction - the $90.00 claim is true if you pay the ticketmaster service charge

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    Do searches at stub hub and circle city for tickets for 3 random upcoming home games and post for him the cost of two tickets together in the lower level.

    Do the same for the next IU home game, the next Chicago Bulls home game, and just for giggles a really bad team like Cleveland.

    He has his mind made up, but at least you can correct his misconceptions with facts.
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    That guy's post is straight derpin'. Gets on his high horse about the purity of high school basketball and Butler and proceeds to call the Pacers Lebron's *****. I bet he was in BLF recently...in a Heat jersey. Guy probably became a HUGE LIFE LONG COLTS FAN...in 2004.

    The contradictions and misinformation here just irk me.
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    This captures exactly how I feel about the Pacers and the NBA. I just do not love this group like I have others. I like them but I do not love them.

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    Just a couple thoughts, this guy basically affirms the stereotype that Indianapolis people are homebodies. They would rather stay at home and be a couch potato than actually go out and see any form of live entertainment unless its free, or lots of alcohol is involved. Its the same reason why the Indianapolis Sympony had so much trouble this year raising money to even exist. People would rather stay at home than actually sponge up any sort of real culture.

    I can't stand his last set of paragraphs where he basically calls the team irrelevant.
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    I can't stand his last set of paragraphs where he basically calls the team irrelevant.
    This guy just hates the Pacers. I bet he attended a Colts game this year. Did anyone here realistically think the Colts had a chance to win the Super Bowl this year?

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    This captures exactly how I feel about the Pacers and the NBA. I just do not love this group like I have others. I like them but I do not love them.
    Well nobody on here is gonna change your mind. But just keep your ears open so you can jump on the bandwagon when the media tells you to.
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    I don't really have a problem with anything he said. He is just as entitled to feel the way he does as we are to feel otherwise. He makes some good points, it is quite expensive to take a family to any NBA game. I understand that if you explore the options there are great deals for Pacers tickets to be had, but this isn't always the case. When you live a little over an hour away like I do, bringing the kids to a game during the week is just not going to happen. That is when things get a little tough for me, because weekend ticket prices are a bit over the top for me if I plan on bringing the family. And personally I'm not too impressed with the family night promotion. The food is blah, and they don't have a t shirt that would fit any man over 5'7" or any child less than 4'.
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    With fans like this guy who needs enemies.

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    His point about not having a single digit draft pick since 1989 as a BAD thing is completely moronic.

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    This captures exactly how I feel about the Pacers and the NBA. I just do not love this group like I have others. I like them but I do not love them.
    You feel that the Pacers are LeBron's *****es and that we would trade our "strip club handgun" for a metaphoric one?
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    With fans like this guy who needs enemies.
    No kidding.

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    Correction - the $90.00 claim is true if you pay the ticketmaster service charge
    Yeah but if you go to stub hub you can usually swing lower level for 40-50. And guess what that does help the arena feel more full and then BOOOM better atmosphere.

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    His point about not having a single digit draft pick since 1989 as a BAD thing is completely moronic.
    For several reasons, including the fact that our most recent top ten pick is a freaking 22 year old All-Star. But he was picked 10 instead of 9 so that doesn't count.

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    Honestly, I don't think enough people are fully appreciating what Paul is doing this season at 22 years old. If he keeps up his averages, he will join a group that up until this season has only been 3 people, but if he and Lebron can continue their trajectories, they will become the 4th and 5th guys to post this kind of season statistically.

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    Honestly, I don't think enough people are fully appreciating what Paul is doing this season at 22 years old. If he keeps up his averages, he will join a group that up until this season has only been 3 people, but if he and Lebron can continue their trajectories, they will become the 4th and 5th guys to post this kind of season statistically.

    It gives you chills when you think how good he already is at 22. He literally has the tools to do basically anything on the basketball court.

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    $55 gets you a ticket in the Fan Zone at club level tonight ( or as this guy puts it, at concourse level) at Stub Hub. ****, $36 gets him his precious below concourse level seats for the Warriors next week, $16 gets him into the Fan Zone!

    This is one of those chumps who wants court side seats, food and limo service for $100.
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    Also, I hope this guy never wants to go to a Colts game. Becuase even with aftermarket you're talking pretty much 80 a seat minimum just to get in the damn building.

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