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    Oh and obviously I and most others understand that is not the ONLY issue. There are many other factors that play into low attendance averages.
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    Wow

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    After reading Kravtiz's article and reading the various opinions that agree or disagree with his statement, I really do think that attendance comes down to a different perception problem. While Kravitz played off a racial perception, and I think that is a small part of it, attendance issues largely revolve around a misunderstanding of who the current group of players are. Of course most of us on PD know the great character strengths of our current team. However, if you watch the local news, read the Indy Star, or search other local outlets you won't hear much about the Pacers. When do you its either a quick gloss of the box score or if they are going to play a large market team.

    Pair the lack of local media coverage with the national media coverage that only showcases Miami, OKC, LA, or NY and we have two problems. One, we are constantly compared against them with the "lack of star power." Second, those who are already on the fence with the NBA see those teams and they see a brand of basketball they don't like. I very much believe Indiana is a basketball state and truly loves its hoops. However, the way the NBA plays ball compared to College and HS is vastly different and very much focused on entertainment.

    Bottom line: with the emergence of PG as our star, continuing [local] media coverage of our team, and a portrayal of our team as actual basketball and not entertainment, we can bring back the fans. It will just take time and it wont be because we're claiming we are "blue collar gold swagger."

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    Sports. Where complete strangers call another complete stranger racist, because they don't go to games.

    Considering how awful WNBA attendance is, you all must be sexist too. Make sure to punch your mother.

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    The suggestion that race plays a role in attendance becomes even more ridiculous when you extrapolate it to other markets outside of Indianapolis.

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    This is the gist of it:
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    Maybe I don't believe race enters into the Pacers attendance equation because I don't want to believe it



    Would there be more attendance if Pacers were 82-0? Or if people had more money? Sure. But race enters into the equation.

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    Sports. Where complete strangers call another complete stranger racist, because they don't go to games.

    Considering how awful WNBA attendance is, you all must be sexist too. Make sure to punch your mother.
    That about sums it up right there. I lost what little respect I had for Cowherd and now I won't even bother listening to his show.

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    So many racists calling into the Dakich show right now pouring praise on Paul George and Lance Stephenson and how their confidence is contagious. Damn racists.

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    Default Re: Kravitz: Pacers attendance woes not tied to racism

    If you want to say that racism is still alive, that's perfectly fine. It is.

    If you want to say that racism is the reason that the Pacers aren't selling out the Fieldhouse, you can do that too. You'll just sound like an idiot.

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    I love the Zaza Pachulia reference
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    So odd that this is the article we get a day after destroying the knicks...wells and kravitz should be cranking out the biggest homer articles ever at this point and we get some random hot button topic debate...why even try to argue the point when the initial point was retarded anyways?

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    So odd that this is the article we get a day after destroying the knicks...wells and kravitz should be cranking out the biggest homer articles ever at this point and we get some random hot button topic debate...why even try to argue the point when the initial point was retarded anyways?
    because an article about Indiana being racist gets a helluva lot more views and comments than one about killing the Knicks.

    at this point the Pacers need to get out in front of this somehow. they have nothing to do with this discussion but this type of stuff breeds resentment and makes people feel like the actual franchise thinks this way about the state. I mean I don't know what they could do, not like they're going to put out a press release that says "no, we don't think Indiana is racist," but something.

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    Do any of the other franchises with bad attendance have to deal with this sort of dumbass crap?

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    Do any of the other franchises with bad attendance have to deal with this sort of dumbass crap?
    Only the place were the KKK was born.....

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    Only the place were the KKK was born.....
    So the Grizzlies and Hawks, then?

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    Default Re: Kravitz: Pacers attendance woes not tied to racism

    A thread like this isn't the place for historical accuracies.

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    Default Re: Kravitz: Pacers attendance woes not tied to racism

    I was referencing Spike Lee's stupidity during Reggie's doc.

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    Haven't you guys seen all the KKK members that stand outside the fieldhouse keeping all the law abiding folks from getting into the games? It's a real travesty I tell you. Amazingly enough though they let the players into the game. One of the 7 wonders of the world really.

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    I just wish the world would face the fact that there are racists within every race and that will never change. There are black racists just like there are white racists. Yet you never hear the argument that the Pacers had their worst attendance ever when they had their whitest team in their history. Was it because the half million non white members of the Indianapolis area were racist? See how ridiculous that argument is.

    Racism exists. Now it may fluctuate with time, but it always has and always will exist. It has absolutely nothing to do with attendance issues. When hockey teams struggle because of attendance, should we accuse the blacks of being racist for not supporting a bunch of white guys on ice? This blame whitey opinion is just bogus in my book. White people have shown all over the country they will fill up arenas for almost all black teams, but I have never seen majority black crowds rooting for almost all white teams. Double standard?

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    OK, this is starting to wobble over the line. Still letting it go because we HAVE to be able to have the conversation, but keeping a close eye on it.
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    Like I said in the other thread where I was disagreed with, the Pacers are still indirectly paying for the brawl. Notice I said INDIRECTLY. The fact is that attendance dropped and we had to ship players to change the culture and attendance has never recovered to this day is evidence enough. No one can convince me that in some ways the Pacers are not still paying for the actions of the "thugs". A bigger market probably would have shaken it off but not in central Indiana. I believe the attendance will increase and this team deserves it but nobody could have foreseen the ramifications of what went down in Detroit that day.

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    I've been harping on the media coverage of this team for about a month now. I can't believe the Pacers aren't demanding better coverage of this team. Maybe they need to renovate the media room and have several of the players do a 5 min session after each game.
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    I won't go to any games until they get rid of all those white guys. Hansbroughs, Plumless--they have to go. I'm not out here to support a bunch of honkeys.

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    OK, this is starting to wobble over the line. Still letting it go because we HAVE to be able to have the conversation, but keeping a close eye on it.
    Maybe it is better suited in Market Square, but this is a major issue surrounding this franchise right now. Because of a few scattered racists on the internet we have the sports world saying we are having attendance issues because of white racism. And I'm not just calling out the white racists spouting criminal thug remarks, I'm talking about all the racists making this an issue. If anyone can seriously say that most all white people are racist and Indiana is mostly white and that is why the Pacers struggle, then they themselves must be racist. Indiana is no more racist than any other place in the world. The mostly white rural areas of any state are more racist than the diverse population centers. Ask people who live in areas right outside of Atlanta how they view the inner city, and you see this as an issue everywhere. The Pacers don't play in Indiana. They don't tour the state. They play in Indianapolis, the most diverse part of the state, where literally a half million non whites live. There are enough non whites to sell out every game for a decade if they just went to a few games a year.
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