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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

    Let's be honest, with increased security from the N.B.A., no beer & the fact that it is Christmas I doubt very much there will be issues.

    Certainly there will be no issues with the Pistons team as our fans, even if they wanted to, will not be able to get to them.

    The next home game vs. Detroit will be something differant for sure, everybody will be back (except maybe Ron) & since it won't be a holiday many more Detroit people will make the trip.

    But we'll deal with that then. Let's talk about what to do now. Here are my suggestions & I want to hear yours.

    1. Do not confront Detroit fans as they come into the arena. Yes, it will be tempting when you see someone wearing a Wallace # 3 jersey to yell a curse word or two at them. Restrain yourself. This will become very important for one of my later suggestions.

    2. Do not throw anything at their fans or players. Again this will come into play later.

    3. Do not become in any physical dispute with their fans.

    4. Cheer for the Pacers.

    5. Allow them to politely cheer for the Pistons.

    Now here is where that increased security will work both ways. Since Dickface Stern thinks they need the security for our fans let us use this to our advantage.

    Allowing the Pistons fans to politely cheer does not mean to allow them to taunt or to yell curse words in our fieldhouse.

    So if you feel uncomfortable with the way one of their fans are boasting or if you feel threatened by their chanting I highly suggest the following.

    6.If a Pistons fan becomes rowdy or taunts you or your section in any way find an usher & express your concern for the lack of safety in the area.

    I assure you, you will see results in this. For those of you that are new to the field house the ushers are positioned at the entrance way to every isle. They wear dark green coats with light colored shirts that I believe are striped in green. They have name tags on as well.

    BTW, we should follow the FCC ruling on this. You know how you can say the F word on T.V. as long as you are not refering to the act thereof.

    Well, may I suggest that the very words Detroit Basketball be judged in the same context.

    For instance when a fan on theirs says I like to watch Detroit Basketball we should let that run off of us like water off of a duck.

    However, if some guy decides to stand up & yell DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeetrooiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttt ttt Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaskeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeetbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllll lllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think that should be considered a curse, don't you? A visit from one of our friendly & helpfull ushers will help remind them that cursing is not allowed. When you tell the usher this make sure you just say that the offending fan is cursing, he'll know what words he used.

    7. If a group of Pistons fans sit together it is natural that they might feel the need to cheer their team. This is fine. However if they make any sudden moves, say standing in unison quickly , it's only natural that you would feel threatened.

    Again a visit to our friendly ushers explaining your uncomfort about their sudden lunges, say it just like that they will know what you mean , will help encourage our friends to politley cheer their team.

    Now we should encourage our friends from the north to enjoy the holiday & have a good time spending money in our state & city. But if a few of them spend money & then are ejected with no refund because they chose to be of ill will this should not weigh on our conscious.

    Remember the spirit of the season & share the love that is Pacers basketball with our good friends from Michigan. Be so polite it sickens them.

    I await your suggestions.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

    That would be hillarious, I really feel how ever that just the mere fact they are wearing Detroit Garb is cursing and that should be reported as well.

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      Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

      "I’m your favorite player’s favorite player. And it’s not enough for me for him to know that. I want the world to know that." -- Michael Beasley

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        Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

        I wonder how strict they'll be on signs. I can think of some good ones such as:

        Hey Ben - is that your head or a Chia Pet?

        BTW - been waiting for a chance to share this - surprised nobody else has mentioned it. Was driving N from the Convention Center on Illinois St. Saturday and saw this Hardee's billboard: "Skinny Burgers are for Detroit Fans."

        Pretty funny.
        The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

          Do you think anyone would get in trouble if fans called the Pistons "Mother Fockers" and say they're just trying to promote the movie just like the comericals lately.
          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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            Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

            Heh yeah, bring a sign with *stand back* Barbara Streisand's face on it, with text reading:

            Detroit =
            Mother Fockers

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              Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

              Speaking of increased security I have made this analysis.

              After September 11th, security at Conseco and throughout every NBA areana was increased exponentially. Walking in you were forced to have a metal dectector run over you. Then as time went on and people began to care less and less the metal dectectors went away, there were less security members, and the security members who were there did a **** poor job. I always felt that if I wanted to take a gun in I could just carry it in my coat and the security would never know it as they would be too busy looking at my belt.

              However since the brawl the security has been beefed up. The metal dectectors are back. They still don't check my coat! Needless to say I think that the message is clear. The Pacers and Pistons brawl was a catastrophe equal to Sept 11th.

              Also in reference to the signs. I was at the Colts and Ravens game last night and there were about 8 boisterous Ravens fans sitting 2 rows behind me in the upper deck. They would organize chants and the Colts fans would do their usual lame comebacks. However two late teens or earlier 20's men came up the stairs with Colts attire on and looked right at the Ravens fans. Now keep in mind this is right after these fans had to see enemy number 1 Jim Irsay announce plans for a new stadium and a plan to keep the Colts in Indy for 30 years. These fans hate Irsay with all their soul. Screaming like mad men at him. Back to the teens. They come up the stairs, look right at the Ravens fans and unveil their sign that read "We Stole Your Team" and began to chant the statement over and over again. This group of Ravens fans lost their minds. Never have I seen a sign enrage a group so much. While this sign was definitely classless I would be lying if I didn't say that it was the most funny incident from the game and that it completely "out did" anything the Ravens fans could say back. Having 20 people chant "We Stole Your Team" was easily the most clever thing Colts fans have come up with in a long time.
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                Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                If I come across Detroit fans I'll probably just say:

                "Welcome to Conseco. I'm certain you will find your stay with us much more hospitable than the one that you provided our players during their last visit to your city."

                Polite, yet gets the point across.

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                  Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                  Originally posted by DisplacedKnick

                  BTW - been waiting for a chance to share this - surprised nobody else has mentioned it. Was driving N from the Convention Center on Illinois St. Saturday and saw this Hardee's billboard: "Skinny Burgers are for Detroit Fans."

                  Pretty funny.
                  Anyone have pictures of these billboards? I would love to see one!
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                    Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                    screw that...these jack *** fans threw beer on our players and almost ruined our damn season. It's fair game!

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                      Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                      Anyone with that attitude is only going to make this become worse. Not meaning to single you out, I know you can't be the only one who feels that way. I just hope no one with this attidude manages to do anything at the game that makes this season worse for anybody.

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                        Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                        Originally posted by JOneal7
                        screw that...these jack *** fans threw beer on our players and almost ruined our damn season. It's fair game!
                        That post is the exact reason why the NBA is providing the Pistons with extra security.

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                          Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                          Hey atleast 50-100 people that go to the game * That read Pacers Digest* will know what to do , the other 18,000+ will be clueless

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                            Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                            Originally posted by JOneal7
                            screw that...these jack *** fans threw beer on our players and almost ruined our damn season. It's fair game!
                            There's no need to stoop to thier level, so please don't embarass the rest of us. But if you do, since you just moved here, we can easily throw you to the dogs.

                            But we'd all be happier if cooler heads prevailed.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                              Re: How to treat our Detroit friends on Christmas day....

                              I wasn't hinting I was going to do anything. Just look at it like this...those piston fans hurled drinks and chairs and everything they could get their filthy hands on! if there was a kitchen sink they would have thrown that! (I heard a fan tryed loosening one in the bathrooms) And you guys are all like "Make sure they have a good time here" or "Say Hi to them and welcome them to the game". Like cursing at them is going to be so horrible and make us all look uncivilized. If any detroit fan knows about being civil please come see me. Maybe it is a little imature. Whatever...it was imature of them to do that to our players and ruin our season just because our guys wouldnt smile and say "Thank you..please continue throwing beer on me". There is times where that whole politeness doesn't work. And if I see a piston fan shouting that little "DETROIIIIIIIIIIT BASKEEEEEETBALLL" I'm going to let him have it. Not physically but verbally I will. I'm not the only ones who feel like this. The tension in the air will be so thick. It should be interesting...maybe my sign should say..."HEY ABC, THANKS FOR DROPPING US"... or "ABC,We will see you in the finals"
                              maybe I'm just the odd man out on this issue.

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