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A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

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    A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

    Disclaimer: I wrote this. But it's Pacers-related, so I hope you don't mind if I share it here.

    http://www.punchnels.com/first-perso...nged-fan-base/


    A Love Letter From The Indiana Pacers To Its Estranged Fan Base
    Baby, come home. The Fieldhouse feels so big without you.

    --

    I didn’t want to write this letter. Ten years ago, it would have been beneath my dignity. But now that our dirty laundry has been aired so publically, I see no other choice. So here it goes.

    Indy, please come back to me.

    I know I let you down. But it’s time to forgive and forget. It’s been almost 10 years since what happened in Detroit.

    I’ve changed. Really, I have. Things are going really well for me now.

    Wait—don’t speak. I know what you’re going to say.

    “What about back in ’06, when you went out with friends and one of your buddies ended up poppin’ shots in the air in a strip club parking lot?”

    And: “What about that time at the Cloud 9 when you got into it with some locals and one of your pals ended up in the hospital with a gunshot wound?”

    Then you’ll start in about how you warned me about Ronnie, and how he was so obviously clinically insane, and that when he finally betrayed me by demanding a trade I kind of had it coming because, really, how stupid can one organization be?

    You were right. What can I say?

    I made some bad calls. Quasi-abusive stuff. And trying to fix things by bringing in stiffs like Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy wasn’t any good, either. Then later, extending Jim O’Brien’s contract—it was just one dumpster fire after another there for a while, wasn’t it?

    But listen: I cut ties with those losers years ago. I had a heart-to-heart with Larry (you love Larry, remember?) and we got a new gang together.

    First there’s Roy. You’re going to love Roy. He’s an old school, rim-guardin’, paint-ownin’, shot-blockin’ big man. And he’s hilarious.

    Then there’s George, born right here in Indianapolis. He starts every single day with a Tweet thanking God. And he’s got a sweet teardrop shot.

    And do you remember those Davis boys I used to hang with back in the day, when things were still really great between us? Well, if you liked those guys (and I know you did), you’re going to love David West.

    But the one I’m really excited to introduce you to is a 22-year-old kid called Paul George. Now don’t get upset, because I know how you feel about Reggie, but I’m telling you: Paul is going to be even better than Reggie. For real.

    But enough about me, let’s talk about you. Let’s not pretend that it’s been all sunshine and daisies for you these past few years.

    That hotshot quarterback you left me for broke your heart over and over again. And every time, you took him back—that is, until he hit hard times. Then you dropped him like a bad habit.

    Now you’re in a honeymoon phase with this Luck fellow. But let’s face it: football will never fill the basketball-shaped hole in your heart.

    And neither will college hoops, for that matter. So please, stop it with the candy-striped pants already. You’re embarrassing yourself.

    Oh, you do a good job of trying to convince yourself that you can be happy with college ball. “They play DEFENSE,” you say.

    Well, let me introduce you to the one of the top defensive teams in the NBA.

    “The college game is PURE,” you say. ” They play TEAM ball.”

    Just stop already. You’re too good for that stuff.

    Let me tell you about this friend of mine named Tyler (I’ll introduce you some time—weird dude). He’s the all-time leading scorer of the ACC. He just destroyed opposing teams in college. But in the NBA, he’s a so-so bench player who can barely get a shot off without getting knocked to the floor.

    College better than the NBA? Please.

    “But the NBA is corrupt,” you say. “David Stern rigs it for big market teams.”

    Yet you don’t mind that scandal machine you call the NCAA? Come on, now.

    Let’s not fight. After all, we belong together. We’re both made up of humble, hardworking individuals. We both embrace the underdog role. We both have to fight for respect from our bigger-city peers. We need each other.

    Will you at least come to a game? I can get you a great deal on seats.

    You don’t have to answer now. Take some time, think it over. I’m not going anywhere.

    Not yet, anyway.
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    Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

    Originally posted by flakcatcher View Post
    Disclaimer: I wrote this. But it's Pacers-related, so I hope you don't mind if I share it here.

    http://www.punchnels.com/first-perso...nged-fan-base/
    nice job...

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    • #3
      Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

      Colin Cowherd apparently went off about the crappy attendance a little bit ago. I can't decide if that's good or bad.

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      • #4
        Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

        Cowherd goes off on the Pacers, its fan base, and Indiana in general every time it gets brought up. His on air personality is typical. He loves the Yankees, Cowboys, Duke, any other big market front runner.
        The 19 Line Coming Soon!

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        • #5
          Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

          Originally posted by Mo Tibbs View Post
          Cowherd goes off on the Pacers, its fan base, and Indiana in general every time it gets brought up. His on air personality is typical. He loves the Yankees, Cowboys, Duke, any other big market front runner.
          He said he thinks we can beat Miami and that the team is very good. He doesn't understand why people aren't showing up, and neither do any of us. He wasn't blasting the Pacers from what I can tell.

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          • #6
            Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

            I appreciate what you are trying to do. However, if you are serious about writing and sharing a piece that might be presented to the casual fan, it absolutely cannot include anything that in any way downplays the Indianapolis Colts or IU basketball. You will alienate more fans than you will attract, no matter how convincing you personally believe your argument to be.

            In that regard, it would be far better to hit several singles and attract back a few fans at a time, than to risk swinging for the fences and attract them all back at the same time.

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            • #7
              Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

              I wonder if he's saying that now because ESPN realizes that we're legitimate to beat the Heat. And they'll need to create stories when we beat them to go to the Finals.
              The 19 Line Coming Soon!

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              • #8
                Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                I like it. Very stalker-esque but I like.

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                • #9
                  Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  He said he thinks we can beat Miami and that the team is very good. He doesn't understand why people aren't showing up, and neither do any of us. He wasn't blasting the Pacers from what I can tell.
                  Colin Cowherd did pull out the race card, however.

                  It was in the context of a statement of how the NBA is viewed as opposed to football, not just in Indiana but nationwide.

                  He says football is teflon- nothing sticks. They can have thugs get arrested, but nobody cares. The fan identifies with the uniform, not the person in the uniform, for the most part. But with the NBA, fans identify with the players, so when the players let you down then you sour on the uniform. The Pacers once had thugs who brawled and had other arrests. 10 years or so later, none of those thugs are around, they have talented players who are good citizens, likable people, and play hard, yet the image of the players who are no longer there sticks with the current players. Why? Well, he says, in part it's because it's an African American-dominated league.

                  I don't necessarily agree with him as to the racial aspect, and I know that this subject is a hot-button one that walks a fine line to be even mentioned here, but I think that it has to be mentioned to accurately sum up Colin Cowherd's point.
                  Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 02-19-2013, 11:56 AM.
                  The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                  • #10
                    Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                    A great basketball product (which is developing before our eyes), with likeable players (which is now in place), in a great building (always has been) continues to struggle with attendance.

                    What is needed?

                    A fair system that presents value and equitable treatment for those who are the core supporters of the franchise which doesn't penalize them for committing to season tickets when the rest of the seats around them end up getting discounted significantly without compensation to the STH's.

                    Also, an in arena experience that is competitive with the far more affordable and convenient option of staying home where the broadcast commentary and ability to pause and rewind and watch the game on your own schedule make for serious competition against and arguably beat the live arena experience.

                    To be competitive under those circumstances, the arena must provide more than just pointless "contests" and stale "entertainment" at breaks and halftime. Yes, being involved with the crowd at exciting games cannot be replicated at home, but how many times during the regular season is a truly close and meaningful game going to happen?

                    Maybe have live interactive access to more in-depth information about the game that can only be accessed via an in-arena wifi system, with optional views of replays from multiple angles that can be customized at your own discretion, live participation polls about various topics about the team and game where those in attendance feel more like they are part of the action, or making a difference somehow.

                    Integration of an arena-wide ordering system for concessions that anyone with the wifi access could order what they want from wherever within the arena through their devices for either delivery to their seats (for a convenience fee that is not charged to those in the club level who already have that included in their tickets on a very limited basis) or pickup from whatever vendor is most convenient to their seat (with an initial prompt that comes back to the customer that tells them the approximate time their order should be ready, and a follwup that their order is actually ready to be picked up). In conjunction with that, poll customers about possible upcoming menu / product selections that they would like to see and reward them for participation in the polls somehow.

                    IOW, give people a really compelling reason to go to the games as opposed to relying on TV / internet coverage and message boards to consume the NBA Indiana Pacers product.

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                    • #11
                      Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                      I'll be interested to see the crowd size/makeup for tomorrow night's game.


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                      • #12
                        Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                        Originally posted by flakcatcher View Post
                        Disclaimer: I wrote this. But it's Pacers-related, so I hope you don't mind if I share it here.

                        http://www.punchnels.com/first-perso...nged-fan-base/
                        Posted on Facebook...
                        Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                        • #13
                          Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                          Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
                          A great basketball product (which is developing before our eyes), with likeable players (which is now in place), in a great building (always has been) continues to struggle with attendance.

                          What is needed?

                          A fair system that presents value and equitable treatment for those who are the core supporters of the franchise which doesn't penalize them for committing to season tickets when the rest of the seats around them end up getting discounted significantly without compensation to the STH's.

                          Also, an in arena experience that is competitive with the far more affordable and convenient option of staying home where the broadcast commentary and ability to pause and rewind and watch the game on your own schedule make for serious competition against and arguably beat the live arena experience.

                          To be competitive under those circumstances, the arena must provide more than just pointless "contests" and stale "entertainment" at breaks and halftime. Yes, being involved with the crowd at exciting games cannot be replicated at home, but how many times during the regular season is a truly close and meaningful game going to happen?

                          Maybe have live interactive access to more in-depth information about the game that can only be accessed via an in-arena wifi system, with optional views of replays from multiple angles that can be customized at your own discretion, live participation polls about various topics about the team and game where those in attendance feel more like they are part of the action, or making a difference somehow.

                          Integration of an arena-wide ordering system for concessions that anyone with the wifi access could order what they want from wherever within the arena through their devices for either delivery to their seats (for a convenience fee that is not charged to those in the club level who already have that included in their tickets on a very limited basis) or pickup from whatever vendor is most convenient to their seat (with an initial prompt that comes back to the customer that tells them the approximate time their order should be ready, and a follwup that their order is actually ready to be picked up). In conjunction with that, poll customers about possible upcoming menu / product selections that they would like to see and reward them for participation in the polls somehow.

                          IOW, give people a really compelling reason to go to the games as opposed to relying on TV / internet coverage and message boards to consume the NBA Indiana Pacers product.
                          Dude you seriously need all that to watch a live Basketball game? They just put in the largest screen of any NBA Arena (looks much better than Houston's). What more could one need? You need to be waited on hand and foot? Pick yourself up at the end of the 1st quarter and go buy your freaking popcorn and beer, or wait for the beer guy to come around to your section? My gosh, you do see any of this at an NFL game or a Soccer game over in Europe. You need advanced stats, and inside info? Its called a smart phone.

                          As far as STH and discount tickets. Look, you pay a premium to pick YOUR seats. Thats the trade off, you have your seats. Thats why I pay season prices for my seats that are by themselves, row 2 in the balcony. I can't get those seats any other way. If you want the cheapest deals then don't buy Season Tickets.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                          • #14
                            Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                            Jeesh. Don't dis Brad for thinking a bit out of the box. It's that type of thinking by Cuban that has made the Mavs such a popularly attended event in Dallas. Any brainstorming at all can induce further brainstorming, which could in turn lead to changes that could prove beneficial to all.

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                            • #15
                              Re: A love letter from the Indiana Pacers to its estranged fan base.

                              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                              As far as STH and discount tickets. Look, you pay a premium to pick YOUR seats. Thats the trade off, you have your seats. Thats why I pay season prices for my seats that are by themselves, row 2 in the balcony. I can't get those seats any other way. If you want the cheapest deals then don't buy Season Tickets.
                              Ahh, OK. So, basically, I'm paying an 80% to 90% premium so I can sit in the same place for 41 games. Sounds like I'm just a sucker. It's more than OK for people to whine about having to pay those God-awful overpriced $5, $10, $20 balcony/club/lower bowl deals - in fact, it's the #1 reason why people say they don't go to the games, because that's Way Too Much compared to a $200 Colts nosebleed ticket - but thank goodness for the few thousand really really stupid people like me who have more money than sense and make it possible for the team to have some idea of what they'll have coming in year over year. We should just be grateful to serve and shut the f**k up when it comes to actually asking for anything for the money other than a smile and a nod.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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