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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-225644c.html

    (By Mitch Lawrence)

    NBA in the spirit of giving

    Christmas games put league's biggest feuds on holiday stage

    Shaquille O'Neal
    It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas: In Indianapolis, that means extra security on hand for the first game between the Pacers and Pistons since "that thing," as Larry Brown called what everyone else knows as the riot at Auburn Hills. Out in Los Angeles, it's going to mean Kobe Bryant invoking the Christmas spirit and telling Shaquille O'Neal that he's sorry.

    Yes, peace on earth and good will toward man is the theme on Saturday in the only two scheduled NBA games. Just how long it lasts is anyone's guess.

    You'd think the Pacers and Pistons will be on their best behavior. But the league is not taking any chances.

    According to one NBA official, the league is sending a squadron of security officials to Conseco Fieldhouse to ensure that there is no repeat of the ugly events of Nov. 19. At last count, David Stern is going to have to shell out holiday pay to 14 members of his security force.

    As was the case in the Garden last week - when the league agreed with the Knicks' assessment that security should be tightened for the Pistons' first game in New York, and sent a starting five of security officials to work the game - most of the extra secuirty personnel will be posted behind the Detroit bench. The primary concern will be to keep Pacers fans, who can be as loud and ugly as the foul-mouthed hooligans in the Palace of Auburn Hills, a safe distance from Ben Wallace.

    Wallace, one of the chief combatants in Detroit and subject of a six-game suspension, is grateful for the preferential treatment he'll be getting Saturday.

    "We've gotten extra security in a couple of other arenas," he said. "I guess the league and the teams are doing it as a precautionary thing. That's fine with me. It's good. I'm just minding my own business and playing basketball."

    Before the Pistons and Pacers gave the league a black eye for Christmas, the much-ballyhooed reunion of Kobe and Shaq was expected to be the main event. With Bryant's reputation continuing to plummet, Bryant went on the public-relations stump this past week. He first attempted to smooth over the Karl Malone affair, after he and his wife, Vanessa, trashed the Mailman for attempting to hit on Mrs. Bryant.

    Bryant also intends to use the Christmas stage to apologize to O'Neal. Not for pulling his monumental power play that ended with Phil Jackson leaving and O'Neal packing his bags for Miami. Not for all the times he veered away from Jackson's triangle and didn't get the ball to O'Neal. This goes way back to when Bryant faced rape charges in Eagle, Colo. During his infamous Q&A session with investigators, which told everyone everything they needed to know about Bryant, he mentioned that he had heard that Shaq had paid up to $1 million to various women to keep quiet when O'Neal was caught in the same kinds of, er, "situations" that Bryant found himself in.

    "I never intended in any way to mix him into my troubles and difficulties that were going on at the time," Bryant said last week. "December 25 seems like a good day to kind of talk to him and tell him I never meant in any kind of way to bring any of his personal business out."

    Even with that explanation, Bryant still is implying that O'Neal did, in fact, use hush money to solve extra-marital dalliances. O'Neal has called that "ridiculous." To this day, Shaq has no love lost for his old teammate. Christmas spirit or not, that doesn't figure to change on Saturday in L.A.

    Under the Gundy

    The Rockets lost again? Blame Jeff Van Gundy.

    Tracy McGrady couldn't find his offense? Blame Jeff Van Gundy.

    Houston is a punchless bunch of plodders? Blame Jeff Van Gundy.

    Yao Ming and McGrady aren't the second coming of Shaq and Kobe?

    Blame Jeff Van Gundy.

    Steve Francis is having a career season in Orlando? Blame Jeff Van Gundy.

    That's how it goes in Houston these days. With all the trouble the Rockets have been having, and all the grief Van Gundy has been taking, you'd think that the ex-Knick coach has been the coach-GM for the past five years.

    In fact, the Rockets, who entered the weekend two games under .500, are paying for some pretty bad personnel decisions that were all made before Van Gundy arrived. But since he is now the face of the team, you never hear a disparaging word about the job long-time GM Carroll Dawson has done.

    From 2000-2003, here are the Rockets' first-round draft picks, off four straight lottery finishes:

    2000: Joel Przybilla, whom they turned into Jason Collier on draft day. Collier played in 61 games for the Rockets over three seasons, was released and is playing in Atlanta.

    2001: Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins and Brandon Armstrong, whom they parlayed into Eddie Griffin on draft day. The Nets struck gold with this one, while Griffin's days in Houston were marked by arrests and a substance abuse problem. He's now playing in Minnesota.

    2002: Yao Ming and Bostjean Nachbar. Yao plays almost every night, but he has not been anything close to a genuine impact player, even if he is No. 1 among all vote-getters for this year's All-Star Game. Nachbar is a backup.

    2003: None.

    When you finish in the lottery four straight seasons, you can't come away with only one good player. Dawson and owner Les Alexander were wholeheartedly behind the McGrady trade, which sent Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato to Orlando. Even if Francis is flourishing, it's comical that the Rockets have been criticized for breaking up a team that had averaged 38 wins and didn't make the playoffs from 2000-03.

    "It's not like they broke up the '27 Yankees," said one Western Conference coach.

    Dawson hasn't been able to land a point guard, even when Darrell Armstrong was available. Under their GM's watch, the Rockets have become an older, slow-footed team. At least their current stretch of schedule - six straight games versus Charlotte or lottery teams from last year - could get things turned around.

    "We've been in the muck long enough," Van Gundy said after a win to start the favorable stretch, against the lowly Hawks. "I'm going to keep tinkering until we get our chemistry right. When we get our chemistry right, you'll see a better product on the floor."

    Slam Dunks

    # The Pacers picked up Michael Curry, who was called "Sir Snitch" by his Toronto teammates for passing along inside locker room info to coaches.

    # Arbitrator Roger Kaplan's ruling on the appeals cases of four Pacers players suspended for fighting with fans in Detroit last month is expected to come down any day. "Hopefully, we can get a ruling so that Jermaine (O'Neal) can play Christmas Day against the Pistons," said Billy Hunter, the NBA Players Association chief. The union and league agree that the case is headed to federal court, to be resolved fairly quickly.

    Originally published on December 19, 2004
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    Is it just me or does it seem strange that they are bringing in extra security to Conseco (I thought the incident happened at the Palace), and it seems strange that the league is supplying the Pistons extra security on the road.

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    AAAhhh but the innocent Pistons need protection from the evil Pacers!

    It just adds to the "campaign" to who to blame for the incident, perception is all it is, of course no mention of extra protection for "visitors" benches in the Palace, because nothing would ever happen there no would there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclebuck
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    Is it just me or does it seem strange that they are bringing in extra security to Conseco (I thought the incident happened at the Palace), and it seems strange that the league is supplying the Pistons extra security on the road.
    Let's just say, hypothetically, that the Pistons beat the Pacers badly at Conseco, and Ben Wallace has a big game. All it would take is a few idiot fans thinking "I'll rile up Ben Wallace and get him to attack me and ruin the Pistons' season just like the Pacers' season got ruined."

    For the record, no matter the outcome of the game, I don't anticipate any problems on Christmas day. I think Pacer fans are out to prove they're classier and better fans than those in Detroit. However, all it takes is a couple of idiots to change that, which is why extra security is necessary. I don't think it's a reflection on the Pacers fans at all.

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    "Hopefully, we can get a ruling so that Jermaine (O'Neal) can play Christmas Day against the Pistons," said Billy Hunter, the NBA Players Association chief. The union and league agree that the case is headed to federal court, to be resolved fairly quickly.

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    I don't blame Stern. The Conseco crowds have been ugly and riotous since the Palace mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisvilleLip
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    "Hopefully, we can get a ruling so that Jermaine (O'Neal) can play Christmas Day against the Pistons," said Billy Hunter, the NBA Players Association chief. The union and league agree that the case is headed to federal court, to be resolved fairly quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisvilleLip
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    "Hopefully, we can get a ruling so that Jermaine (O'Neal) can play Christmas Day against the Pistons," said Billy Hunter, the NBA Players Association chief. The union and league agree that the case is headed to federal court, to be resolved fairly quickly.

    :drools:
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    I'm hoping that's what is going on, but I won't go so far to say I think they are, which would imply I expect it to happen.

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    Let's just say, hypothetically, that the Pistons beat the Pacers badly at Conseco, and Ben Wallace has a big game. All it would take is a few idiot fans thinking "I'll rile up Ben Wallace and get him to attack me and ruin the Pistons' season just like the Pacers' season got ruined."

    For the record, no matter the outcome of the game, I don't anticipate any problems on Christmas day. I think Pacer fans are out to prove they're classier and better fans than those in Detroit. However, all it takes is a couple of idiots to change that, which is why extra security is necessary. I don't think it's a reflection on the Pacers fans at all.

    Let's just say hypotetically that a Pacers fan does do something to get Ben Wallace to come into the stands, what would Stern do? I would be very surprised if he did anything to the defending champs. He doesn't want to tarnish their championship in any way, hence the extra security he is providing them. Sounds to me like he realizes they were at fault for the riot and that he was too easy on them. Why else would he provide them (and not other teams) the extra security?
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    1) There has been plenty of media coverage about the added security to the Palace, its just not covered in this article because neither Christmas game is taking place there.

    2) Of course the security is behind the visitor bench. Fans don't usually attack their own team.

    3) As for bringing in security at all ... if they didn't bring security and something happened, Stern and the league would look pretty assinine. They've sent extra security other places, why take it as a personal insult that they are doing it in Indiana as well?

    This does raise one question in my mind though, have you guys heard of extra security being sent specifically to Pacer road games (like the article mentions it sent to the Piston v Knick game)?

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    Let's just say hypotetically that a Pacers fan does do something to get Ben Wallace to come into the stands, what would Stern do? I would be very surprised if he did anything to the defending champs. He doesn't want to tarnish their championship in any way, hence the extra security he is providing them. Sounds to me like he realizes they were at fault for the riot and that he was too easy on them. Why else would he provide them (and not other teams) the extra security?
    If Ben Wallace charged a fan at Conseco Fieldhouse, Stern would suspend him for the season. In fact, if ANY player charged the stands at ANY arena, Stern would suspend that player for the season. Depending on the player, it may be more.

    And if the Pistons continue to play the way they're playing as of now, they won't need any help in tarnishing their championship.

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    This does raise one question in my mind though, have you guys heard of extra security being sent specifically to Pacer road games (like the article mentions it sent to the Piston v Knick game)?
    I think everybody knows that won't be a problem until/if Ron returns to the Pacers. If there anybody has learned the lesson Stern was trying to teach, its the 12 guys we've got suiting up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shags
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    If Ben Wallace charged a fan at Conseco Fieldhouse, Stern would suspend him for the season. In fact, if ANY player charged the stands at ANY arena, Stern would suspend that player for the season. Depending on the player, it may be more.
    The way Stern works - the next player (and hopefully it never happens but if it does then I hope its Kobe) that charges into the stands will be suspended for much longer than Ron.

    Stern likes to increase the punishment until the 'message' is sent. Why else would Ron get four games for the stuff in Miami after he got three games for destroying the HDTV camera after he kept misbehaving after a few one-game punishments? Were those 'crimes' against basketball progressively worse? No. Stern was just trying to figure out how to get Ron's attention.

    Why else would Ron get a 72-game punishment for this incident? If the ten games given to Vernon Maxwell was a stiff enough punishment to convince *all players* not to do ever do that again (and certainly don't bring anybody else with you), we wouldn't be having this discussion. Is 'rest of the season' enough to get everyone's attention? No player (that we know of) has tried to strangle his coach, since Sprewell. So maybe it is, but if it isn't, look for Stern to come down even harder - especially if it is another 'repeat offender'.
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    I would assume you are probably right.

    I wanted to know tho, to judge whether or not the security was following the players (Pacers and Pistons) or whether it was following the fans (New York, Detroit, Indiana). I assumed it was the fans and hearing that security hasn't been added to any Pacer road games seems to support that.

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    lol can you imagine if it was in detroit! dang...
    but then again...who wants to spend Christmas in that ***** hole of a city.

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    The general city bashing needs to stop.

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