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    HOUSTON — It shouldn’t, but the sound bite virtually always trumps the fuller narrative.That’s a modern media fact of life and it’s especially true at a saturated carnival like All-Star weekend and during a free-for-all availability in which questions sometimes sound like pick-up lines and shout-outs are requested in three or four languages simultaneously. LeBron James has been in front of enough cameras and dealt with immense fame for long enough that he was ready to deliver his lines with ease when the inevitable topic was raised on Friday.

    “That’s his own opinion,” James said of Michael Jordan’s recent statement that he would pick Kobe Bryant over James on the basis of the Lakers guard’s five championships. “At the end of the day, rings [don't] always define someone’s career.

    “If that was the case, then I would sit up here and say I would take [Bill] Russell over Jordan. I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t take Russell over Jordan. Russell has 11 rings, Jordan has six. Take, I don’t know, Robert Horry over Kobe. I wouldn’t do that. It’s your own personal opinion. Rings [do] not define a person’s career.”

    This was a clever, almost senatorial maneuver: James answered the question, shifted the discussion and briefly distracted a five-deep pack of reporters that surrounded him.

    “You look at a guy like [former Bulls reserve] Jud Buechler, he has multiple rings, Charles Barkley does not have one ring,” James continued. “He’s not better than Charles Barkley. Patrick Ewing is one of the greatest of all time, Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time. Sometimes it’s about the situation you’re in, the team you’re in and it’s about timing as well.”

    That sound bite was followed by another, in which he tried to play off Jordan’s comments.

    “I don’t play the game and try to define who I am over what guys say or how they feel about me,” he said. “It doesn’t matter to me. I play for my family, I play for my teammates, I play for our coaching staff and I play for our fans, that’s it.”


    LeBron’s sound bites, politically crafted and politically correct, served their specific purpose, providing a rebuttal to Jordan’s widely circulated comments. The fuller context — in this case, still only 30 minutes of questions and answers — rendered the sound bites wholly unconvincing. The extended conversation gave the impression that James not only cares about the comparisons but that he cares deeply, and implied that he particularly cares about Jordan’s opinion. What other impression could be reached after listening to James rattle off his favorite Jordan moments, in honor of MJ’s upcoming 50th birthday, in rapid-fire succession?


    “I’ve got 50 of them, s— I’ve got 100 of them,” James said. “I’ve got so many memories of MJ. You name it. From the shoes, to him flying through the air, to him hitting the threes against the Blazers, to him being on the TV screen with Bugs Bunny. From him jumping over the buildings in a suit in the commercials. To him hitting the golf ball, swinging the baseball bat, so many memories. Him having the [ProStars] cartoon, you guys remember that? … I’ve got so many memories. MJ was an inspiration to me growing up.”


    Not only an inspiration but, he admitted, but a full-fledged hero.


    “You always tried to look for someone that was a superhero or someone who was beyond life,” James said. “Mine was Batman, mine was Transformers and Michael Jordan. Growing up those were the ones. I was like, I wish I could transform into this, I wish I could fly like Michael Jordan, or propel like Batman does.”


    Does James, who so openly idolizes Jordan as an adult and who wore No. 23 in high school and in Cleveland, really expect anyone to believe that Jordan’s assessment of his progress doesn’t matter to him? As James’ friend Jay-Z would say, “We don’t believe you, you need more people.”

    But this has morphed past simply validation-seeking now that James has claimed his first title and could very well add a second in a few months. Because just as easily as he made his respect for Jordan known, James didn’t blink in putting a target on his back.

    “I want to be the greatest of all time,” James declared, adding later: “As my talent continued to grow, as I continued to know about the game, appreciate the game, continued to get better, I felt like I had the drive, first of all, the passion, the commitment to the game to place myself as the greatest of all time, the best of all time, however you want to categorize it. I don’t do it to say I’m better than this guy or that guy. I do it for my own inspiration. I inspire myself. When I go out on the floor, I want to be the best of all time. That’s how I help myself each and every night.”


    The logical next question, then: How will he ultimately decide that he’s achieved his goal? Surely championships — rings — would be among the criteria, right? Does James have a checklist, a la a young Tiger Woods, who methodically tracked his progress alongside golf’s greats? What are the mileposts he is striving to hit?


    “Nope, nope, nope, nope,” James said, unwilling to reveal any details. “If I go out and play at a high level, those things will take care of themselves.”

    The fuller narrative, of course, reminds us that James values winning above everything. “It’s about damn time,” he declared after securing his first title last June. The previous year, after losing to the Mavericks in the Finals, he told reporters that he barely left his house for more than a week, such was his despair. How are we to reasonably believe the spirit of his sound bite — that rings aren’t critically important in judging greatness — when we have clear and convincing evidence of how much he personally values them?

    Moreover, the fuller narrative between James and Jordan, even in just this half-hour window, grew so complicated and intertwined that it became difficult to keep up. To summarize: James disputed Jordan’s standard for comparing him to Bryant; claimed he doesn’t seek Jordan’s validation; ranked Jordan over Russell; spoke openly about how he idolized Jordan as a child; and stated clearly that he wants to be the best player ever, which would push Jordan, Bryant and everyone else to the side.

    Eventually James conceded — not dejectedly but not eagerly, either — that these comparisons, for as long as they have already raged, are only just beginning.

    “That’s the life,” he said. “I understand it. That’s the life I live in. The comparisons are going to come. I’d rather be compared to Michael Jordan than somebody who wasn’t in the league very long. It’s very humbling. I’m grateful for the opportunity I’ve been given. Mike is in his own lane and I try to create my own.”


    What happens if and when James gets his second title? His fifth? His sixth? What happens if and when he passes Jordan — and Bryant — on the all-time scoring chart? What happens if and when he hits statistical peaks for career points, rebounds and assists that have never been achieved by the same player? What happens when he’s 50, like Jordan will be on Sunday, looking back on his career with the next generation of stars going after his records?

    “How do I want to be remembered when I’m 50?” James asked rhetorically. “I’m 28 years old, I ain’t thinking about that.”
    There it was, one last unconvincing sound bite. He wants to be the greatest and, like any man, he wants his due. Jordan won’t yet give it to him, but James is savvy enough not to whine about it and smart enough to make his case on the court. The fuller narrative suggests that the comparisons will be even more difficult and more complicated five years from now. Friday’s full narrative suggested that James knows that better than anyone.
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    I mean LBJ is a pretty good dude, I don't mind him as a player and respect the game he plays. The reason I don't like the Heat is because of the "fans" and Dwayne Wade, my oh my how I would love to just punch that guy in the face

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    If he thinks rings are so unimportant, why did he join 2 "budding" stars?
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    If he thinks rings are so unimportant, why did he join 2 "budding" stars?
    He said they don't define who a player is. That's why we don't refer to Sam Jones as the greatest guard ever.
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    He said they don't define who a player is. That's why we don't refer to Sam Jones as the greatest guard ever.
    Haven't read the entire thread or article, so some of this may have already been covered and I apologize if it has been, but Sam Jones' election to the Hall of Fame was an absolute joke.

    I also don't think Russell was the better basketball player than Wilt just because the loaded Celtics won more rings than Wilt's one-man teams did. But it is clearly evident that the Celtics were such a dominant team that (IMO, which most of you won't agree with) the best player ever could only muster a couple of championships, and one of them (two? - didn't look it up to confirm) came via the even-more-stacked early 1970's era Lakers teams.

    Winning rings is a team accomplishment, and as a fan of a basketball team I think its pretty important for my team to chase the rings. That's more important to me than having an MVP candidate on the roster.

    But "number of rings" is a ****-poor measure of any individual player's worth or accomplishments.
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    But "number of rings" is a ****-poor measure of any individual player's worth or accomplishments.
    It's not the be-all and end-all measurement of greatness, but it matters a lot. Rings in basketball are especially important when judging individual greatness. In baseball, you can only bat 4-5 times a game. In football, you can only play one end of the field. But in basketball, you can take as many shots as you want and make game altering plays on the defensive end. So it matters when a player rises to the occasion on both ends of the court by making plays that will their team to a championship. That's what the likes of Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, Magic, etc did, and that's why they are the cream of the crop.

    The Jazz were probably a more complete team than Chicago in 1998, particularly since Pippen had been banged up that year. But a 35 year old Jordan literally refused to lose. He made game altering plays on both ends of the court that literally won the Bulls the title in Game 6. I think something like that is pretty important when judging individual greatness. Jordan dominated the playoffs six times in two separate three-peats. The latter of those three peats was when he was in his mid 30's. What he did is more impressive than what anyone else has done.

    This is a lot different than using number of rings to judge individual greatness in baseball. Barry Bonds had zero rings, but he only had the opportunity to bat 4-5 times a game.

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    The Jazz were probably a more complete team than Chicago in 1998, particularly since Pippen had been banged up that year. But a 35 year old Jordan literally refused to lose. He made game altering plays on both ends of the court that literally won the Bulls the title in Game 6. I think something like that is pretty important when judging individual greatness. Jordan dominated the playoffs six times in two separate three-peats. The latter of those three peats was when he was in his mid 30's. What he did is more impressive than what anyone else has done.

    If Rik Smits doesn't bring the ball down to his waist, and get suckered into a jumpball with that Jordan punk...

    Or if either Davis could locate Toni Kukoc on the court and challenge his jump shot...

    We win Game #7 and then we kick Utah's butt in the Finals.

    And that still doesn't take anything away from Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Rik Smits, Mark Jackson, or Chris Mullin. Four HoF'ers, and two other guys that may get some minor HoF converation but don't necessarily belong in the HoF. (Of course, neither did Sam Jones.) All of them were oustanding basketball players but happened to spend their careers on the "wrong" - meaning, they didn't have the good fortune to find themselves on the team that ultimately won the championship.

    So what I'm saying is, if you think Jordan is better than Wilt, the arguement can't be "number of rings." Even for the "best player on the team." Because then you're arguing that Russell is better than Jordan and I'm telling you that Russell was not better than Wilt individually. They had great battles, and Russell rose to the occasion against Wilt. Russell was a great competitor. But the Celtics weren't winning titles because Russell was better than Wilt, they were winning titles because they had the best team.
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    Nothing more ridiculous than preaching about the greatness of Kobe because of his ridiculously fortunate career, while destroying 'Melo because he's extremely unfortunate. Championships are not how you define players' greatness.
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    Nothing more ridiculous than preaching about the greatness of Kobe because of his ridiculously fortunate career, while destroying 'Melo because he's extremely unfortunate. Championships are not how you define players' greatness.
    I Would not say that up until this year, Melo has ever been considered having "greatness" He was a very selfish player in Denver who didn't play defense and called his own number way too much. He hits tough shots, but he doesn't always make the correct basketball play. Everyone can agree that LBJ is making the correct basketball play to win games and not just chucking up tough shots.

    I do agree that Kobe has had an unbelievably fortunate career. With out Shaq on board, there is no way Kobe gets this level of hype or respect.
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    I Would not say that up until this year, Melo has ever been considered having "greatness" He was a very selfish player in Denver who didn't play defense and called his own number way too much. He hits tough shots, but he doesn't always make the correct basketball play. Everyone can agree that LBJ is making the correct basketball play to win games and not just chucking up tough shots.

    I do agree that Kobe has had an unbelievably fortunate career. With out Shaq on board, there is no way Kobe gets this level of hype or respect.
    The point, is had 'melo been as fortunate as Kobe, then we would talk completely different about him.

    If Kobe has been in 'Melo shoes, he'd be criticized for his defensive effort and selfishness for his entire career.
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    The point, is had 'melo been as fortunate as Kobe, then we would talk completely different about him.

    If Kobe has been in 'Melo shoes, he'd be criticized for his defensive effort and selfishness for his entire career.
    I don't think so, i've never seen Kobe as a player who doesn't bring it defensively. Kobe is far more of a tactician than a Player like Melo.
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    HAHA beautiful.

    James just killed MJ. Everything he said is true. And I'll say the same thing I told my cousin last night when he repeated MJ's comments. Of course MJ would say Kobe is better. Because at the end of the day, no rational person could EVER say Kobe is the player MJ was. It's a stupid debate. MJ is flat out better than Kobe in every possible aspect of the game.

    The problem with admitting LBJ's greatness? LBJ is quicker, stronger, more athletic, a better defender, a better passer than MJ ever was. At the end of his career we'll probably all say LBJ was the greatest to play the game.

    MJ is imtimidated by LBJ. And he should be. LBJ already has a ring at a younger age than MJ, so he could possibly end up with as many rings as well. (which would just be nuts if he was able to pull that off as well)
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    HAHA beautiful.

    James just killed MJ. Everything he said is true. And I'll say the same thing I told my cousin last night when he repeated MJ's comments. Of course MJ would say Kobe is better. Because at the end of the day, no rational person could EVER say Kobe is the player MJ was. It's a stupid debate. MJ is flat out better than Kobe in every possible aspect of the game.

    The problem with admitting LBJ's greatness? LBJ is quicker, stronger, more athletic, a better defender, a better passer than MJ ever was. At the end of his career we'll probably all say LBJ was the greatest to play the game.

    MJ is imtimidated by LBJ. And he should be. LBJ already has a ring at a younger age than MJ, so he could possibly end up with as many rings as well. (which would just be nuts if he was able to pull that off as well)
    Damn you really don't like MJ do you? I get the whole Pacers/Bulls rivalry, but LeBron has a ton of work to do to even think about being at MJ's level let alone surpassing it. Even this streak that LBJ is on now, its nothing compared to what MJ did back in 89' with the ten triple doubles in eleven games.

    I think people forget about how good Jordan actually was. Dude averaged 30ppg for his career even with his last two seasons on the Wizards. He left two rings on the table when he went to play baseball as well.

    I think LeBron is a ridiculously good basketball player. And will go down as one of the best ever. But damn man, he's no MJ. No one is.

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    Damn you really don't like MJ do you? I get the whole Pacers/Bulls rivalry, but LeBron has a ton of work to do to even think about being at MJ's level let alone surpassing it. Even this streak that LBJ is on now, its nothing compared to what MJ did back in 89' with the ten triple doubles in eleven games.

    I think people forget about how good Jordan actually was. Dude averaged 30ppg for his career even with his last two seasons on the Wizards. He left two rings on the table when he went to play baseball as well.

    I think LeBron is a ridiculously good basketball player. And will go down as one of the best ever. But damn man, he's no MJ. No one is.
    No, I have no problem with MJ at all!

    I just don't believe in the, "there will be no one better than - insert great player- " LBJ is already a superior athlete and superior to many aspects to MJ's game. After his career is over, and LBJ has surpassed all his numbers I know many may consider him better. Maybe even myself. I'm not saying it is true. But it will be a very interesting discussion that any basketball fan should take seriously.

    We are watching true greatness in LBJ. I've just learned to accept that is all.
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    No, I have no problem with MJ at all!

    I just don't believe in the, "there will be no one better than - insert great player- " LBJ is already a superior athlete and superior to many aspects to MJ's game. After his career is over, and LBJ has surpassed all his numbers I know many may consider him better. Maybe even myself. I'm not saying it is true. But it will be a very interesting discussion that any basketball fan should take seriously.

    We are watching true greatness in LBJ. I've just learned to accept that is all.
    I've been a fan of LeBron since he entered the league because there is no one else like him in the NBA. The man is a true freak of nature. I love watching him play any team not name the Pacers because he is a joy to watch. And honestly a lot of that comes down to his freakish athleticism. Seeing a man his size to those things at those speeds is special.

    But when we talk about raw skill, MJ has LBJ beat. The only thing LBJ really has over Michael is the athleticism, but not even by that much because Michael was a phenomenal athlete himself. And Michael had the mental game down better than anyone. And that has been a huge struggle for LeBron. Michael was just such a pure basketball player in every facet of the game. Its why at age 49 he still beat Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in 1 on 1.
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    No, I have no problem with MJ at all!

    I just don't believe in the, "there will be no one better than - insert great player- " LBJ is already a superior athlete and superior to many aspects to MJ's game. After his career is over, and LBJ has surpassed all his numbers I know many may consider him better. Maybe even myself. I'm not saying it is true. But it will be a very interesting discussion that any basketball fan should take seriously.

    We are watching true greatness in LBJ. I've just learned to accept that is all.
    That's fine, but he hasn't done it yet. And that's all MJ was saying, really. You got very excited about comments that weren't dismissive of Lebron at all.

    Also, a previous poster mentioned the hand checking rules. That is a big deal. But also, Lebron's points and percentages come largely from the paint/foul line, as a result of the referees NOT calling his signature shove (the one Jordan made famous vs the Cavs...Lebron does it on every single drive) and as a result of defenders being afraid of being called for a foul if he A.) flops or B.) gets breathed on. Every superstar gets superstar calls, but Lebron still flops as much as anyone in the NBA, and gets away with it.

    Also, Lebron's defensive intensity hasn't been there this year. He gets the chase down blocks every so often, but he's still not in Jordan's league as far as man-to-man. Is he good? Yes. Is he more versatile than Jordan, owing largely to his size? Yes. Is it probably because he's spending so much energy on offense? Yes.

    Nobody is saying Lebron sucks, but to act like he's already better than Jordan, please. No point until there's some sort of statistical evidence, which would be years from now.

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    That's fine, but he hasn't done it yet. And that's all MJ was saying, really.

    No. MJ said Kobe was better than LBJ. I noted how ridiculous that statement is as well as laughing at MJ's motives for saying so. I think it is funny, because there is no way MJ actually believes Kobe is a better player than LBJ. That or he just doesn't watch basketball anymore.
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    HAHA beautiful.

    James just killed MJ. Everything he said is true. And I'll say the same thing I told my cousin last night when he repeated MJ's comments. Of course MJ would say Kobe is better. Because at the end of the day, no rational person could EVER say Kobe is the player MJ was. It's a stupid debate. MJ is flat out better than Kobe in every possible aspect of the game.

    The problem with admitting LBJ's greatness? LBJ is quicker, stronger, more athletic, a better defender, a better passer than MJ ever was. At the end of his career we'll probably all say LBJ was the greatest to play the game.

    MJ is imtimidated by LBJ. And he should be. LBJ already has a ring at a younger age than MJ, so he could possibly end up with as many rings as well. (which would just be nuts if he was able to pull that off as well)

    About the only thing I could agree with you on this is that Lebron is stronger.
    He's not nearly the scorer, shooter, or defender that MJ was and he's not nearly as quick.
    I do agree with Lebron that titles alone don't make a player great but he isn't on the level of Jordan. He'll end up playing a lot longer then Jordan and still won't be considered as great.

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    HAHA beautiful.

    James just killed MJ. Everything he said is true. And I'll say the same thing I told my cousin last night when he repeated MJ's comments. Of course MJ would say Kobe is better. Because at the end of the day, no rational person could EVER say Kobe is the player MJ was. It's a stupid debate. MJ is flat out better than Kobe in every possible aspect of the game.

    The problem with admitting LBJ's greatness? LBJ is quicker, stronger, more athletic, a better defender, a better passer than MJ ever was. At the end of his career we'll probably all say LBJ was the greatest to play the game.

    MJ is imtimidated by LBJ. And he should be. LBJ already has a ring at a younger age than MJ, so he could possibly end up with as many rings as well. (which would just be nuts if he was able to pull that off as well)
    All of the above is just total comedy... King James... totally QUIT on his team in Cleveland ..... multiple times. QUIT. Too much pressure for the great one.

    So... he runs of to a stacked team ... and wins one. Finally.

    Bron Bron is just not a mentally tough guy and that is what will separate him and MJ/Kobe the rest of their careers. Bron ran from the challenge... Jordan and Kobe EMBRACED it.

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    To me, rings are for tie-breaking debates between players that belong in the same class/tier with one another.

    Derek Fisher was not a better player than Reggie Miller because he had all of those rings and Reggie never had any, but if you want to break a tie between a comparison or debate of two top-tier guys (like Kobe and LeBron), I think that's a fair way to pick somebody, even if it's flawed. I mean give 2007-2009 Lebron a 2000-2002 Shaq teammate and he probably wins three rings then, you know?

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    To me, rings are for tie-breaking debates between players that belong in the same class/tier with one another.

    Derek Fisher was not a better player than Reggie Miller because he had all of those rings and Reggie never had any, but if you want to break a tie between a comparison or debate of two top-tier guys (like Kobe and LeBron), I think that's a fair way to pick somebody, even if it's flawed. I mean give 2007-2009 Lebron a 2000-2002 Shaq teammate and he probably wins three rings then, you know?
    That's exactly how I see it too.

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    Put LBJ in Kobe's shoes and he wins maybe 10, maybe 15 rings.
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    Put LBJ in Kobe's shoes and he wins maybe 10, maybe 15 rings.
    This is only LeBron's 10th year. How could he have 15 rings?
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    This is only LeBron 10th year. How could he have 15 rings?
    Put LBJ in Kobe's shoes...
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    Put LBJ in Kobe's shoes...
    Oh I see. While I'm at it, can I put Chris Paul in Derek Fisher's shoes, or is that just ridiculous?

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