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LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

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  • #46
    Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

    Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
    I guess I don't know enough of the enter workings, but I'd think the sales of everything surrounding the ticket sale would not be shared. I'd think they better stock up on everything Pacers as a lot of stuff would be sold and out of that Pacers get walking billboards all over central Indiana and that can be priceless.

    No, pretty much everything is split. the licensing fees for ASG merchandise go to the league, not the franchise.

    Regarding the Pacer jersey sales, I'd take a bet on that. If a Pacer was even ON the team that year (far from guaranteed), I suspect the sales of merchandise for the big hyped players would overshadow it, and the only thing Central Indiana would get would be more advertisements for "We don't care that Indiana has a team".
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • #47
      Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

      Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
      So you're saying that the Pacers should be rechartered as a nonprofit and just concern themselves with providing public benefits? Isn't that the role of ISC?
      Forgetting that hosting the game would very likely end up being financially beneficial to the franchise itself, when the Pacers return all of the public money they've taken, then they should have full right to decline anything that doesn't directly help them.
      "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

      -Lance Stephenson

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      • #48
        Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        .......By extension, we should eat all the poor children *
        Well, that's a given.
        I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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        • #49
          Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

          I no longer see a valid reason as to why we should not have the All Star game here. The excuse that it would cost more money than it would bring in might have been pertinent the previous few seasons, but that excuse no longer holds any weight. We have the 7th best record in the league and the 4th cheapest tickets, yet also have the 5th worst attendance. The product the Pacers are providing is clearly not attracting enough fans as is. We can all sit here and make excuses for why things are the way they are, but making excuses and pointing fingers won't solve anything. The people of Indiana are simply not currently interested in professional basketball.

          The Pacers clearly need to take a different approach to attracting fans, so why not host the All Star game? Sure the immediate costs for hosting it may outweigh the profit, but making Indiana the center of the basketball universe for a week will make it impossible for people to continue ignoring the NBA. Everyone will be talking about it, and by association everyone will be talking about the Pacers. Only good things can come from that. People will realize that we have a great group of players and will be able to get past the stigma still left behind from the brawl. Hosting the All Star game is exactly what the Pacers need to get fans back into seats.

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          • #50
            Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
            I better start gettin' some Bieber tix.
            he's a thug.
            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            • #51
              Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

              A sold seat is a sold seat. I don't see why the Pacers wouldn't give STH's the first chance at buying (for full retail price) a seat to the all-star game. Some would, some wouldn't, but either way those seats still get sold to somebody at the same price. Why not start with STH's then? It's not like it's a free seat in this scenario.

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              • #52
                Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                A sold seat is a sold seat. I don't see why the Pacers wouldn't give STH's the first chance at buying (for full retail price) a seat to the all-star game. Some would, some wouldn't, but either way those seats still get sold to somebody at the same price. Why not start with STH's then? It's not like it's a free seat in this scenario.
                I think their allotment of seats to sell is quite small. I think the league sells most of the tickets and distributes the revenue among all 30 teams. If that's the case, I think the Pacers should do nothing because the ASG in Houson is free money to them and that's the quickest way to get the Pacers' finances right side up... revenue with no costs instead of high costs and no revenue.

                What were the STH opportunities with the 2002 World Championships? I know we had pre-sale opportunities to buy the entire "season". I think we had pre-sale opportunities for individual games. As an out of towner, I didn't bite. I would have if we still lived in Indy, but that wasn't how I was going to spend my summer vacation from this place. And ticket sales were poor - not many people did bite.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #53
                  Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                  It should still bring revenue to the city of Indianapolis, though, and if nothing else generate further good will from the populace the next time PS&E goes to the local government with their hand out.....

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                  • #54
                    Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                    Perhaps the very reason Indianapolis has not requested an All-Star game since the 1980's is the same reason that the Pacers have one of the worst attendance records in the league. ​There is certainly a common denominator.

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                    • #55
                      Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                      It should still bring revenue to the city of Indianapolis, though, and if nothing else generate further good will from the populace the next time PS&E goes to the local government with their hand out.....

                      I agree, that's the only reason to do it.

                      But that conversation goes like this:

                      City/county counselperson: "so last year you claimed you had operating losses of $10 million."

                      Herb: "Right."

                      C/CC: "And this year, you hosted the all-star game so you could 'make more money' and now you had operating losses of $25 million."

                      Herb: "That's right. The city "benefitted". Everybody "benefitted" by us. But we covered all the expenses."

                      C/CC: "So now you want even more money from us?"

                      Herb: "We would have needed less money if we let Houston host again."

                      C/CC:
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #56
                        Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                        Originally posted by Mears13geico View Post
                        I think Indy would be a good spot, seeing how we have hosted a super bowl which was successful in my eyes. Plus we have had the final four, the Indy 500 every year, Big ten championships, the Brickyard 400 and more. Thoughts?
                        Would anyone show up for the game?? ...

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                        • #57
                          Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                          For what its worth, I just signed my wife up on the waiting list for next year's game and festivities in New Orleans. She loves this weekend and it would be fun to go.

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                          • #58
                            Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                            Can downtown Indy support the travelling ring of escorts and call girls that comes with All-Star weekend? I feel like those "women" wouldn't enjoy it here.

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                            • #59
                              Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                              Originally posted by BillS View Post
                              No home games for a long stretch? Not being able to get in to the game (or only being able to get in with nosebleed seats at Lucas Oil)? Not wanting PS&E to spend staff salary/time/effort on going after the ASG (which is done by the host club NOT the city like the Super Bowl)?

                              Never mind my personal opinion which is that the ASG is pretty much a meaningless crock of poop...
                              None of that bothers me. Im sure I can get tickets to ASG easier than I could the Superbowl. And even without tix my family still spend tons of hours in Indy for those events. I could care less how much time and effort that PS&E have to put in. Im a fan, I want everything and dont care how I get it.
                              If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

                              @LetsTalkPacers

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                              • #60
                                Re: LET'S BRING THE NBA ALL STAR GAME TO INDIANAPOLIS.

                                Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                                Other then making excuses, it sounds like you work for PS&E and want to be lazy.
                                There is no reason for the All Stars not to be here other then the people in charge don't want to bother with it. I think if it was here that it would be a huge success. Indiana loves basketball and they would flock to see all the stars over a 3 day weekend.
                                This. However I do respect what BillS is saying. Those just arent my problems.
                                If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

                                @LetsTalkPacers

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